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TheL8Elvis · 3rd July 2012, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis

That's two things.

Also bluetooth, memory , processor speed, resolution....

Originally Posted by DavidJames

This device is going after the Kindle Fire, not the iPad. It's trying to exploit the same business model as the Fire as well. The money, they hope, will be a regular stream as users buy books, magazines, music and movies.

Understood. Those were all features that the nexus has that are better than the kindle fire.

Originally Posted by DavidJames

I would expect the Fire to leapfrog it feature wise in the next 6 months.

I, for one, like the competition. I also am beginning to regret buying an Ainol Aurora last month. But alas, waiting for the perfect technology product will just mean you'll never get anything. I think I can justify the next generation of Fire when it comes out.

Who wouldn't regret an anal aurora

But yes, at some point you have to just jump in, or be left forever waiting for the next best thing.

IDK how much better the next fire will be. I think they may just drop the current price to 149 and offer a 10" @ 199. Amazon has done a better job than google , IMHO, emulating apple and downplaying specs and emphasizing price and use.

Also:
http://allthingsd.com/20120627/exclu...p-the-nexus-7/

One way the companies managed that is through razor-thin margins. Google is selling the device through its Google Play store, essentially at cost, and also absorbing the marketing costs associated with the device.

OnlyTellsTruths · 4th July 2012, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Cuddles

No you wouldn't.

Hey, don't single me out. I was just going by the info given in this thread, which I quoted.

Also your link doesn't exactly sound like a definite "No you wouldn't".

In fact, it reads to me like a very likely "Yes I would if I try hard enough".

TheL8Elvis · 5th July 2012, 07:01 AM

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columni...iew/56005986/1

Review: Google's Nexus 7 is the budget tablet to beat

It's amazing how many times the word iPad is used in this review.

Also, no adobe flash.

In fact, from 4.1 -> , it appears flash will be officially unsupported.
http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/29/31...-not-supported

But at least the Nexus 7 is less expensive and a smaller form factor ... for now...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...ipad-mini.html
Apple Inc. (AAPL) plans to debut a smaller, cheaper iPad by year-end, two people with knowledge of the plans said, to help maintain dominance of the tablet market as Google Inc. (GOOG) and Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) prepare competing handheld devices.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
Apple Inc.'s AAPL +1.03% component suppliers in Asia are preparing for mass production in September of a tablet computer with a smaller screen than the iPad, people familiar with the situation said, suggesting a launch for the device is near.

WildCat · 5th July 2012, 05:01 PM

So now Apple is copying Samsung.

The Dark Lord · 5th July 2012, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

So now Apple is copying Samsung.

Samsung isn't making this device. It is Asus, I believe.

ETA: Samsung does make smaller tablets so never mind.

The most blatant copying that Apple has done is the "Notification Center". I think this is a much more blatant copy than anything that Google/Android manufacturers have done. The pull down notifications have been in Android since the beginning, if I am not mistaken. And I believe there is a patent pending. I hope Google sues the crap out of Apple and wins.

WildCat · 5th July 2012, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

Samsung isn't making this device. It is Asus, I believe.

ETA: Samsung does make smaller tablets so never mind.

The most blatant copying that Apple has done is the "Notification Center". I think this is a much more blatant copy than anything that Google/Android manufacturers have done. The pull down notifications have been in Android since the beginning, if I am not mistaken. And I believe there is a patent pending. I hope Google sues the crap out of Apple and wins.

Yes, both Samsung and Google (Asus) have beat Apple to the small tablet market. I don't consider the Kindle to be a real tablet since it's too specialized.

kajata · 5th July 2012, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

So now Apple is copying Samsung.

I dunno. No Flash, no removable battery, no expandable memory. Seems like everyone is still copying Apple

And Dark Lord...is copying the notification center more blatant than how Samsung copied this

The Dark Lord · 5th July 2012, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by kajata

I dunno. No Flash, no removable battery, no expandable memory. Seems like everyone is still copying Apple

And Dark Lord...is copying the notification center more blatant than how Samsung copied this

Considering that the screen shot from the Galaxy S is from the app drawer (which the iPhone doesn't even have) rather than the home screen I think so.

BowlOfRed · 5th July 2012, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by OnlyTellsTruths

I'd stick a .50¢ adapter on a 16gb USB Flash Drive and leave it there.

Originally Posted by Cuddles

No you wouldn't.

That's exactly what I'm planning on doing as well. I expect it will be rooted so that this is easy to do before I get mine.

TheL8Elvis · 5th July 2012, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Yes, both Samsung and Google (Asus) have beat Apple to the small tablet market. I don't consider the Kindle to be a real tablet since it's too specialized.

"small tablet market"

ROTFLMAO

you're funny....

The Dark Lord · 5th July 2012, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis

"small tablet market"

ROTFLMAO

you're funny....

They're isn't a market for small tablets? Why is Apple supposedly making one?

OnlyTellsTruths · 5th July 2012, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by BowlOfRed

That's exactly what I'm planning on doing as well. I expect it will be rooted so that this is easy to do before I get mine.

Apparently they are almost there (or there already depending on what your needs are).

From one of the comments at Cuddles' link:

Quote:

Check out the nexus 7 formus on XDA. There are people with root and they have OTG usb storage working. Files can be written and read from the external USB storage. Only issue at the moment is that mount points or something is wrong so direct playback of media (videos) from the external storage is not working. expect that to be fixed soon.

Cuddles · 6th July 2012, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by kajata

I dunno. No Flash, no removable battery, no expandable memory. Seems like everyone is still copying Apple

Ever seen an older tablet from before Apple decided they'd invented the idea? Fixed batteries and storage in a tablet has been the norm for quite a while. Of course, it was less of an issue when "storage" meant "hard drive". My Archos has 160GB so it really doesn't need expandable memory. That only becomes an issue when people insist on making a device specifically designed to play media without enough space to actually store any media on it.

As for Flash, that's nothing to with Apple, it's just on its way out and being replaced by newer software. Apple refused to have anything to do with it even when it absolutely dominated the internet and therefore locked their uses out of an awful lot of content. Other companies phasing it out in favour of a replacement just isn't the same thing.

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

They're isn't a market for small tablets? Why is Apple supposedly making one?

It's particularly interesting given that Steve Jobs explicitly said that 10 inches was the absolute minimum tablet size possible, and that Apple wouldn't make anything smaller. Yet here they are making a smaller tablet, with no bigger tablets in sight.

kajata · 6th July 2012, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by Cuddles

Ever seen an older tablet from before Apple decided they'd invented the idea? Fixed batteries and storage in a tablet has been the norm for quite a while. Of course, it was less of an issue when "storage" meant "hard drive". My Archos has 160GB so it really doesn't need expandable memory. That only becomes an issue when people insist on making a device specifically designed to play media without enough space to actually store any media on it.

As for Flash, that's nothing to with Apple, it's just on its way out and being replaced by newer software. Apple refused to have anything to do with it even when it absolutely dominated the internet and therefore locked their uses out of an awful lot of content. Other companies phasing it out in favour of a replacement just isn't the same thing.

That smiley face you cut off meant I'm just kidding around.

TheL8Elvis · 6th July 2012, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by Cuddles

Ever seen an older tablet from before Apple decided they'd invented the idea?

You seem to be the only one in this thread claiming Apple invented the idea...

Originally Posted by Cuddles

Fixed batteries and storage in a tablet has been the norm for quite a while. Of course, it was less of an issue when "storage" meant "hard drive". My Archos has 160GB so it really doesn't need expandable memory. That only becomes an issue when people insist on making a device specifically designed to play media without enough space to actually store any media on it.

Who makes a device without enough space to actually store media on it ?

Originally Posted by Cuddles

As for Flash, that's nothing to with Apple, it's just on its way out and being replaced by newer software.

I disagree. Flash being on its way has much to do with apple not supporting it.

Originally Posted by Cuddles

Apple refused to have anything to do with it even when it absolutely dominated the internet and therefore locked their uses out of an awful lot of content. Other companies phasing it out in favour of a replacement just isn't the same thing.

Other companies are phasing it out because Adobe is no longer supporting mobile flash. Not because other companies all got together and decided to move to HTML5

Originally Posted by Cuddles

It's particularly interesting given that Steve Jobs explicitly said that 10 inches was the absolute minimum tablet size possible,

"There are clear limits of how close you can physically place elements on a touch screen before users cannot reliably tap, flick or pinch them. This is one of the key reasons we think the 10-inch screen size is the minimum size required to create great tablet apps," he said.

Originally Posted by Cuddles

and that Apple wouldn't make anything smaller. Yet here they are making a smaller tablet, with no bigger tablets in sight.

Where did he say what I bolded ? At any rate, Jobs is no longer controlling the direction of the company in the same way he was when he talked about tablet size a few years ago...

richardm · 6th July 2012, 10:10 AM

What way is he controlling it now? Shoving a planchette around in the boardroom?

Duffy Moon · 6th July 2012, 11:17 AM

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Captain_Snort · 7th July 2012, 05:44 AM

I have a 10.1" Acer tablet, that I find invaluable, though a bit heavy for on the go use. I am very tempted by the nexus 7, just trying to justify it to myself. The stuff people have said here as marking it down are really petty, no back camera? Well, have a phone for that. No 3g/4g, well my android phone happily acts as a wireless access point. No SD / full size USB slot, that will be a minor irritation as I like to carry a lot of music on me, but I can happily stream from my home network, or a myriad of other sources, anyway, on the move, have my phone.

OnlyTellsTruths · 7th July 2012, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by The Dark Lord

They're isn't a market for small tablets? Why is Apple supposedly making one?

Updated** rumors:

http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/t...olidays-868362

http://www.macotakara.jp/blog/index.php?ID=17085

It will be called the iPad Mini

It will be the same height as the Nexus 7 (7.81 inches) and either a bit wider or a bit less wide than the Nexus 7 (conflicting reports on width).

It will be very thin.

Both it and a new iPhone model will be out for the holidays.

The consensus at the macrumors forums is that the rumors are false:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1400057

Though, personally, I would be more 50/50.

**(Last weeks links):

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...ipad-mini.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj

TheL8Elvis · 8th July 2012, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by richardm

What way is he controlling it now? Shoving a planchette around in the boardroom?

Maybe ?

I think the 'legacy' of Jobs may actually have some sway on decisions. WWJD ?

Then again, maybe not ... idk, so I decided to err on the side of caution.

†= Crap! · 8th July 2012, 12:04 PM

I ordered mine yesterday. I've been waiting for this type of tablet for a while now. I came close to pulling the trigger on a Kindle Fire, and I'm really glad I didn't now.

When my aging bulky laptop needed replacing I thought I could get away with switching to an iPad, but after a week with the iPad I actually returned it. Although there were things I really liked about the iPad, it just wasn't going to adequately replace the functionality of a laptop. I also couldn't justify the five hundred bucks I spent on it just to use it as a couch browser and to play silly time waster games.

But I can totally justify two hundred bucks. I think the Nexus 7 is primarily going to serve as my eReader and couch browser.

RoboTimbo · 14th July 2012, 05:48 AM

Just got notified that mine is being shipped.

Duffy Moon · 14th July 2012, 09:50 AM

Good for you.

I ordered on the 29th June but haven't had a shipping confirmation or change to my bank card, Google Wallet etc. In fact, not a word from the big G.

It's not the end of the world but it seems odd that they'd make the people who bit their hand off wait the longest.

Darat · 14th July 2012, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

Just got notified that mine is being shipped.

Damn you - no sign of mine shipping yet, want to bet that the USA will be shipped to first of all!!!!!!

(Mutters to self - wouldn't it be terrible if there was a problem viewing the Forum on a Nexus 7 that I can't fix until I have mine to "check" the problem....)

Worm · 16th July 2012, 03:59 AM

Mrs Worm got hers on Friday (ordered from eBuyer, who apparently have been told off for shipping early)

Very cute, but not a big enough screen for me having got used to the iPad.

Very slick interface - fast and smooth. Will be interested to see how it lasts in the long term.

RoboTimbo · 16th July 2012, 11:48 AM

Mine is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow but I'll be out of town.

Mrs. Timbo, remaining at home, will get hers before I do. I don't get home until Thursday evening.

Darat · 16th July 2012, 12:25 PM

Hate you all! No sign of my shipping yet.

RoboTimbo · 16th July 2012, 12:30 PM

Didn't you have the same problem with the Kindle?

Darat · 16th July 2012, 12:45 PM

And the Fire which is still not available in the UK.

RoboTimbo · 16th July 2012, 12:48 PM

I can send you my Rocket ebook.

Duffy Moon · 16th July 2012, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Worm

Ordered from eBuyer, who apparently have been told off for shipping early.

Yeah, I saw some tweets by eBuyer customers who ordered on Thursday and got them on Friday.
Gits. (Mrs Worm excepted, of course.)

They weren't meant to release them and apparently they are now telling customers August 3rd.

Originally Posted by Worm

Very cute, but not a big enough screen for me having got used to the iPad.

I think that's idea, that it's not a direct competitor.
For some the iPad is the perfect size but for others it's a ball-ache.
The Nexus7 will appeal to those who require a tablet that is more portable and easier to hold.

Of course, some folks will have both, using whatever suits the task at the time.

Originally Posted by Darat

And the Fire which is still not available in the UK.

I think the Nexus7 has effectively killed the idea of a UK Fire release.

ronin688 · 17th July 2012, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

I can send you my Rocket ebook.

Wow I didn't know anyone still remembered those!

I had a rocket , then the REB-1100. You must know the fun of telling people you've been reading on an LCD touchscreen ereader since the 90's haha. My first REB had a whopping 8mb of storage!

The last year or so I've switched to my phone for reading but I've always missed the larger screen and the N7 is the ereader I've been holding out for.

Jaxe · 17th July 2012, 05:05 AM

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Darat · 17th July 2012, 05:09 AM

I've seen that - it does seem as if some folks aren't exactly the brightest bulb in the house!

Darat · 17th July 2012, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by RoboTimbo

I can send you my Rocket ebook.

Still got one up in the attic, and it still works.

Duffy Moon · 17th July 2012, 09:00 AM

My Nexus is on its way.

RoboTimbo · 17th July 2012, 03:39 PM

Mrs. Timbo took possession of ours. Unfortunately, I'm 400 miles away.

Darat · 18th July 2012, 03:12 AM

I'm getting rather pee'd off now, I've sent them two enquiries, a day apart and not even had a form response, that's just terrible customer service.

ETA: Oh and I still hate you all.

kajata · 18th July 2012, 03:52 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

I'm getting rather pee'd off now, I've sent them two enquiries, a day apart and not even had a form response, that's just terrible customer service.

ETA: Oh and I still hate you all.

Have you checked your spam folder?

Have you tried unplugging your computer, waiting 10 seconds, and plugging it in again?

Darat · 18th July 2012, 04:22 AM

Yes, and I've also unplugged the monitor and now my PC has stopped working!

3rd July 2012, 06:36 AM	#41
TheL8Elvis Illuminator Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,562	Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis That's two things. Also bluetooth, memory , processor speed, resolution.... Originally Posted by DavidJames This device is going after the Kindle Fire, not the iPad. It's trying to exploit the same business model as the Fire as well. The money, they hope, will be a regular stream as users buy books, magazines, music and movies. Understood. Those were all features that the nexus has that are better than the kindle fire. Originally Posted by DavidJames I would expect the Fire to leapfrog it feature wise in the next 6 months. I, for one, like the competition. I also am beginning to regret buying an Ainol Aurora last month. But alas, waiting for the perfect technology product will just mean you'll never get anything. I think I can justify the next generation of Fire when it comes out. Who wouldn't regret an anal aurora But yes, at some point you have to just jump in, or be left forever waiting for the next best thing. IDK how much better the next fire will be. I think they may just drop the current price to 149 and offer a 10" @ 199. Amazon has done a better job than google , IMHO, emulating apple and downplaying specs and emphasizing price and use. Also: http://allthingsd.com/20120627/exclu...p-the-nexus-7/ One way the companies managed that is through razor-thin margins. Google is selling the device through its Google Play store, essentially at cost, and also absorbing the marketing costs associated with the device.
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4th July 2012, 09:50 AM	#42
OnlyTellsTruths Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 5,921	Originally Posted by Cuddles No you wouldn't. Hey, don't single me out. I was just going by the info given in this thread, which I quoted. Also your link doesn't exactly sound like a definite "No you wouldn't". In fact, it reads to me like a very likely "Yes I would if I try hard enough".
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5th July 2012, 07:01 AM	#43
TheL8Elvis Illuminator Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,562	http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columni...iew/56005986/1 Review: Google's Nexus 7 is the budget tablet to beat It's amazing how many times the word iPad is used in this review. Also, no adobe flash. In fact, from 4.1 -> , it appears flash will be officially unsupported. http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/29/31...-not-supported But at least the Nexus 7 is less expensive and a smaller form factor ... for now... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...ipad-mini.html Apple Inc. (AAPL) plans to debut a smaller, cheaper iPad by year-end, two people with knowledge of the plans said, to help maintain dominance of the tablet market as Google Inc. (GOOG) and Microsoft Corp. (MSFT) prepare competing handheld devices. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj Apple Inc.'s AAPL +1.03% component suppliers in Asia are preparing for mass production in September of a tablet computer with a smaller screen than the iPad, people familiar with the situation said, suggesting a launch for the device is near.
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5th July 2012, 05:10 PM	#45
The Dark Lord Suspended Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,860	Originally Posted by WildCat So now Apple is copying Samsung. Samsung isn't making this device. It is Asus, I believe. ETA: Samsung does make smaller tablets so never mind. The most blatant copying that Apple has done is the "Notification Center". I think this is a much more blatant copy than anything that Google/Android manufacturers have done. The pull down notifications have been in Android since the beginning, if I am not mistaken. And I believe there is a patent pending. I hope Google sues the crap out of Apple and wins.
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5th July 2012, 05:24 PM	#47
kajata Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,742	Originally Posted by WildCat So now Apple is copying Samsung. I dunno. No Flash, no removable battery, no expandable memory. Seems like everyone is still copying Apple And Dark Lord...is copying the notification center more blatant than how Samsung copied this
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5th July 2012, 05:01 PM	#44
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,466	So now Apple is copying Samsung.

5th July 2012, 05:21 PM	#46
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 49,466	Originally Posted by The Dark Lord Samsung isn't making this device. It is Asus, I believe. ETA: Samsung does make smaller tablets so never mind. The most blatant copying that Apple has done is the "Notification Center". I think this is a much more blatant copy than anything that Google/Android manufacturers have done. The pull down notifications have been in Android since the beginning, if I am not mistaken. And I believe there is a patent pending. I hope Google sues the crap out of Apple and wins. Yes, both Samsung and Google (Asus) have beat Apple to the small tablet market. I don't consider the Kindle to be a real tablet since it's too specialized.

5th July 2012, 05:34 PM	#48
The Dark Lord Suspended Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,860	Originally Posted by kajata I dunno. No Flash, no removable battery, no expandable memory. Seems like everyone is still copying Apple And Dark Lord...is copying the notification center more blatant than how Samsung copied this Considering that the screen shot from the Galaxy S is from the app drawer (which the iPhone doesn't even have) rather than the home screen I think so.
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5th July 2012, 05:35 PM	#49
BowlOfRed Muse Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Silicon Valley Posts: 549	Originally Posted by OnlyTellsTruths I'd stick a .50¢ adapter on a 16gb USB Flash Drive and leave it there. Originally Posted by Cuddles No you wouldn't. That's exactly what I'm planning on doing as well. I expect it will be rooted so that this is easy to do before I get mine.

5th July 2012, 06:00 PM	#50
TheL8Elvis Illuminator Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,562	Originally Posted by WildCat Yes, both Samsung and Google (Asus) have beat Apple to the small tablet market. I don't consider the Kindle to be a real tablet since it's too specialized. "small tablet market" ROTFLMAO you're funny....
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5th July 2012, 06:04 PM	#51
The Dark Lord Suspended Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,860	Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis "small tablet market" ROTFLMAO you're funny.... They're isn't a market for small tablets? Why is Apple supposedly making one?
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5th July 2012, 10:12 PM	#52
OnlyTellsTruths Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 5,921	Originally Posted by BowlOfRed That's exactly what I'm planning on doing as well. I expect it will be rooted so that this is easy to do before I get mine. Apparently they are almost there (or there already depending on what your needs are). From one of the comments at Cuddles' link: Quote: Check out the nexus 7 formus on XDA. There are people with root and they have OTG usb storage working. Files can be written and read from the external USB storage. Only issue at the moment is that mount points or something is wrong so direct playback of media (videos) from the external storage is not working. expect that to be fixed soon.
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6th July 2012, 05:59 AM	#53
Cuddles Decoy Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: A magical land full of pink fluffy sheeps and bunnies Posts: 16,674	Originally Posted by kajata I dunno. No Flash, no removable battery, no expandable memory. Seems like everyone is still copying Apple Ever seen an older tablet from before Apple decided they'd invented the idea? Fixed batteries and storage in a tablet has been the norm for quite a while. Of course, it was less of an issue when "storage" meant "hard drive". My Archos has 160GB so it really doesn't need expandable memory. That only becomes an issue when people insist on making a device specifically designed to play media without enough space to actually store any media on it. As for Flash, that's nothing to with Apple, it's just on its way out and being replaced by newer software. Apple refused to have anything to do with it even when it absolutely dominated the internet and therefore locked their uses out of an awful lot of content. Other companies phasing it out in favour of a replacement just isn't the same thing. Originally Posted by The Dark Lord They're isn't a market for small tablets? Why is Apple supposedly making one? It's particularly interesting given that Steve Jobs explicitly said that 10 inches was the absolute minimum tablet size possible, and that Apple wouldn't make anything smaller. Yet here they are making a smaller tablet, with no bigger tablets in sight.
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6th July 2012, 06:26 AM	#54
kajata Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,742	Originally Posted by Cuddles Ever seen an older tablet from before Apple decided they'd invented the idea? Fixed batteries and storage in a tablet has been the norm for quite a while. Of course, it was less of an issue when "storage" meant "hard drive". My Archos has 160GB so it really doesn't need expandable memory. That only becomes an issue when people insist on making a device specifically designed to play media without enough space to actually store any media on it. As for Flash, that's nothing to with Apple, it's just on its way out and being replaced by newer software. Apple refused to have anything to do with it even when it absolutely dominated the internet and therefore locked their uses out of an awful lot of content. Other companies phasing it out in favour of a replacement just isn't the same thing. That smiley face you cut off meant I'm just kidding around.
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6th July 2012, 06:46 AM	#55
TheL8Elvis Illuminator Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,562	Originally Posted by Cuddles Ever seen an older tablet from before Apple decided they'd invented the idea? You seem to be the only one in this thread claiming Apple invented the idea... Originally Posted by Cuddles Fixed batteries and storage in a tablet has been the norm for quite a while. Of course, it was less of an issue when "storage" meant "hard drive". My Archos has 160GB so it really doesn't need expandable memory. That only becomes an issue when people insist on making a device specifically designed to play media without enough space to actually store any media on it. Who makes a device without enough space to actually store media on it ? Originally Posted by Cuddles As for Flash, that's nothing to with Apple, it's just on its way out and being replaced by newer software. I disagree. Flash being on its way has much to do with apple not supporting it. Originally Posted by Cuddles Apple refused to have anything to do with it even when it absolutely dominated the internet and therefore locked their uses out of an awful lot of content. Other companies phasing it out in favour of a replacement just isn't the same thing. Other companies are phasing it out because Adobe is no longer supporting mobile flash. Not because other companies all got together and decided to move to HTML5 Originally Posted by Cuddles It's particularly interesting given that Steve Jobs explicitly said that 10 inches was the absolute minimum tablet size possible, "There are clear limits of how close you can physically place elements on a touch screen before users cannot reliably tap, flick or pinch them. This is one of the key reasons we think the 10-inch screen size is the minimum size required to create great tablet apps," he said. Originally Posted by Cuddles and that Apple wouldn't make anything smaller. Yet here they are making a smaller tablet, with no bigger tablets in sight. Where did he say what I bolded ? At any rate, Jobs is no longer controlling the direction of the company in the same way he was when he talked about tablet size a few years ago...
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6th July 2012, 10:10 AM	#56
richardm Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,270	What way is he controlling it now? Shoving a planchette around in the boardroom?
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7th July 2012, 05:44 AM	#58
Captain_Snort Muse Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Scotland Posts: 682	I have a 10.1" Acer tablet, that I find invaluable, though a bit heavy for on the go use. I am very tempted by the nexus 7, just trying to justify it to myself. The stuff people have said here as marking it down are really petty, no back camera? Well, have a phone for that. No 3g/4g, well my android phone happily acts as a wireless access point. No SD / full size USB slot, that will be a minor irritation as I like to carry a lot of music on me, but I can happily stream from my home network, or a myriad of other sources, anyway, on the move, have my phone.
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7th July 2012, 02:51 PM	#59
OnlyTellsTruths Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 5,921	Originally Posted by The Dark Lord They're isn't a market for small tablets? Why is Apple supposedly making one? Updated rumors: http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/t...olidays-868362 http://www.macotakara.jp/blog/index.php?ID=17085 It will be called the iPad Mini It will be the same height as the Nexus 7 (7.81 inches) and either a bit wider or a bit less wide than the Nexus 7 (conflicting reports on width). It will be very thin. Both it and a new iPhone model will be out for the holidays. The consensus at the macrumors forums is that the rumors are false: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1400057 Though, personally, I would be more 50/50. (Last weeks links): http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...ipad-mini.html http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
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8th July 2012, 10:29 AM	#60
TheL8Elvis Illuminator Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,562	Originally Posted by richardm What way is he controlling it now? Shoving a planchette around in the boardroom? Maybe ? I think the 'legacy' of Jobs may actually have some sway on decisions. WWJD ? Then again, maybe not ... idk, so I decided to err on the side of caution.
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8th July 2012, 12:04 PM	#61
†= Crap! Thinker Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Long Beach Posts: 242	I ordered mine yesterday. I've been waiting for this type of tablet for a while now. I came close to pulling the trigger on a Kindle Fire, and I'm really glad I didn't now. When my aging bulky laptop needed replacing I thought I could get away with switching to an iPad, but after a week with the iPad I actually returned it. Although there were things I really liked about the iPad, it just wasn't going to adequately replace the functionality of a laptop. I also couldn't justify the five hundred bucks I spent on it just to use it as a couch browser and to play silly time waster games. But I can totally justify two hundred bucks. I think the Nexus 7 is primarily going to serve as my eReader and couch browser.
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14th July 2012, 05:48 AM	#62
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 22,054	Just got notified that mine is being shipped.

14th July 2012, 09:50 AM	#63
Duffy Moon Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Coventry, UK Posts: 1,621	Good for you. I ordered on the 29th June but haven't had a shipping confirmation or change to my bank card, Google Wallet etc. In fact, not a word from the big G. It's not the end of the world but it seems odd that they'd make the people who bit their hand off wait the longest.

14th July 2012, 12:07 PM	#64
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,986	Originally Posted by RoboTimbo Just got notified that mine is being shipped. Damn you - no sign of mine shipping yet, want to bet that the USA will be shipped to first of all!!!!!! (Mutters to self - wouldn't it be terrible if there was a problem viewing the Forum on a Nexus 7 that I can't fix until I have mine to "check" the problem....)
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16th July 2012, 03:59 AM	#65
Worm Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Coldstream, Scotland Posts: 1,086	Mrs Worm got hers on Friday (ordered from eBuyer, who apparently have been told off for shipping early) Very cute, but not a big enough screen for me having got used to the iPad. Very slick interface - fast and smooth. Will be interested to see how it lasts in the long term.
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16th July 2012, 11:48 AM	#66
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 22,054	Mine is scheduled to be delivered tomorrow but I'll be out of town. Mrs. Timbo, remaining at home, will get hers before I do. I don't get home until Thursday evening.

16th July 2012, 12:25 PM	#67
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,986	Hate you all! No sign of my shipping yet.
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16th July 2012, 12:30 PM	#68
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 22,054	Didn't you have the same problem with the Kindle?

16th July 2012, 12:45 PM	#69
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,986	And the Fire which is still not available in the UK.
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16th July 2012, 12:48 PM	#70
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 22,054	I can send you my Rocket ebook.

16th July 2012, 01:30 PM	#71
Duffy Moon Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Coventry, UK Posts: 1,621	Originally Posted by Worm Ordered from eBuyer, who apparently have been told off for shipping early. Yeah, I saw some tweets by eBuyer customers who ordered on Thursday and got them on Friday. Gits. (Mrs Worm excepted, of course.) They weren't meant to release them and apparently they are now telling customers August 3rd. Originally Posted by Worm Very cute, but not a big enough screen for me having got used to the iPad. I think that's idea, that it's not a direct competitor. For some the iPad is the perfect size but for others it's a ball-ache. The Nexus7 will appeal to those who require a tablet that is more portable and easier to hold. Of course, some folks will have both, using whatever suits the task at the time. Originally Posted by Darat And the Fire which is still not available in the UK. I think the Nexus7 has effectively killed the idea of a UK Fire release.

17th July 2012, 04:13 AM	#72
ronin688 Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 152	Originally Posted by RoboTimbo I can send you my Rocket ebook. Wow I didn't know anyone still remembered those! I had a rocket , then the REB-1100. You must know the fun of telling people you've been reading on an LCD touchscreen ereader since the 90's haha. My first REB had a whopping 8mb of storage! The last year or so I've switched to my phone for reading but I've always missed the larger screen and the N7 is the ereader I've been holding out for.
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17th July 2012, 05:09 AM	#74
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,986	I've seen that - it does seem as if some folks aren't exactly the brightest bulb in the house!
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17th July 2012, 05:11 AM	#75
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,986	Originally Posted by RoboTimbo I can send you my Rocket ebook. Still got one up in the attic, and it still works.
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17th July 2012, 09:00 AM	#76
Duffy Moon Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Coventry, UK Posts: 1,621	My Nexus is on its way.

17th July 2012, 03:39 PM	#77
RoboTimbo Hostile Nanobacon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Prosperity, AZ Posts: 22,054	Mrs. Timbo took possession of ours. Unfortunately, I'm 400 miles away.