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Fitter · 9th July 2012, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by RenaissanceBiker

Next time you are out in nature, check out the color of pine tree bark.

Originally Posted by Fishstick

Or, you know. Rocks.

Originally Posted by Howie Felterbush

Or elephants.

Or my ex-wife's spaghetti sauce.

learner · 9th July 2012, 11:29 AM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

Did that make it a lot easier to sneak up on the fish?

Yep. that and mouthing "Bob" both help.

Bikewer · 9th July 2012, 11:32 AM

Funny story:

When I was in the infantry in Germany in the mid 60s, all our stuff was green "OD" as the army said. Uniforms, vehicles, etc.
One year, we were scheduled for the big Division-level war-games exercise, and the day before we were to move out, it snowed to beat the band.
About a foot of the stuff fell across Germany generally. Our commander, being a take-charge kind of guy, ordered all the battalion vehicles whitewashed.
"We'll be practically invisible!"
We would have, too, had not, on the second day, a record-snapping warm spell sent the temperatures soaring to about 60 degrees, neatly removing all the snow and rendering the training area into a sea of nice, dark brown mud, which made our shining, white vehicles rather obvious.
So we had to smear 'em all with mud.....

Robrob · 9th July 2012, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Quad4_72

Yeah the clothing allowance enlisted gets doesn't come even close. Hell, the patches we have to wear average between 10 and 15 dollars! You are going broke if you are in 1st Cav or 2nd ID lol.

The velcro for patches never made a lick of sense. Why would I ever want or need to remove my name and service from my ACU? It's not like the uniform lasts 3-4 years so I have to worry about putting on a new unit patch that frequently. And it necessitates pin on skill badges, oh so useful. Not to mention the velcro patches cost 10x more than the sew on kind and have the unfortunate tendency to get caught on everything and everyone. After riding shoulder to shoulder in an MRAP for a few hours, you often find your shoulder tab stuck to the body armor of the guy next to you!

The only explanation I ever heard was the velcro was so you could "sterilize" the uniform. Of course how "sterile" can you get, being a white English speaker wearing ACU in the Middle East?

Originally Posted by Quad4_72

Of course the jackets still have zippers/velcro but they implemented the buttons on the pants again.

Another perplexing question, if velcro was such a perfect solution - why does the ACU have velcro, buttons and zippers!?

Quad4_72 · 9th July 2012, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Robrob

The velcro for patches never made a lick of sense. Why would I ever want or need to remove my name and service from my ACU? It's not like the uniform lasts 3-4 years so I have to worry about putting on a new unit patch that frequently. And it necessitates pin on skill badges, oh so useful. Not to mention the velcro patches cost 10x more than the sew on kind and have the unfortunate tendency to get caught on everything and everyone. After riding shoulder to shoulder in an MRAP for a few hours, you often find your shoulder tab stuck to the body armor of the guy next to you!

The only explanation I ever heard was the velcro was so you could "sterilize" the uniform. Of course how "sterile" can you get, being a white English speaker wearing ACU in the Middle East?

Another perplexing question, if velcro was such a perfect solution - why does the ACU have velcro, buttons and zippers!?

You are actually allowed to sew on your name tapes, rank, and skill badges now. It was definitely a pain before.

quadraginta · 9th July 2012, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Howie Felterbush

Or elephants.

Don't be silly. Everyone knows elephants are pink.

Jalok · 10th July 2012, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am

That Master Chief looks pissed off about something, and why are they all uncovered on deck anyway?

Uniform inspection most likely, so uncovered for haircut check.

jalok

Sam.I.Am · 11th July 2012, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by Jalok

Uniform inspection most likely, so uncovered for haircut check.

jalok

I had thought of that but it doesn't explain why the CMC and the rest of the inspection team are uncovered too. Every personnel inspection I've ever seen or done has always had the inspector in full uniform (including wearing a cover), mostly to set the example I would think. I'm not really familiar with skimmer navy rules though so maybe there's a special rule for that type of ship (for example I can see why they might not want hats on a flight deck because they may get blown off and sucked into what might soon become a jet engine in need of some unexpected expensive repairs).

I just thought that it was kinda odd is all.

ZirconBlue · 12th July 2012, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Carnivore

Honest to Bob, this was the original version of that.

http://olive-drab.com/images/uniform...f_2004_300.jpg

Might work OK underwater.

Originally Posted by R.Mackey

In all my years playing, I never -- not once -- saw a single individual with a single piece of ACU clothing.

That's how good it is!

Jarlaxle · 14th July 2012, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am

It was the USS U.S. Grant (SSBN 631) coming out of a refueling overhaul at the shipyard in Portsmouth NH in late 1987 or early 1988. They were months behind schedule and there was a lot of pressure on the CO to get the sea trials done. The deck division CLPO and first lieutenant were finishing up rigging topside for dive (flipping deck cleats and so on, most of the rig was done before the lines were tossed but there were a few things left to do because they were used by the tugs). A wave broke over the stern near the engine room hatch and knocked them both off. The CO knew this but kept on going expecting that they could be pulled back up. By the time they slowed the boat and got them back aboard (about 5 minutes later) they were dead from head trauma.

I ended up in that chiefs job about a year later on that boat and the division was a mess mainly because they all felt that nobody could replace their old chief (even though I went in at the point where he would've been leaving anyway). It's hard to argue against a dead guy that you've never met who was killed in such an irresponsible manner. He was practically a saint in their eyes.

That incompetent twit should have been keelhauled!

UnrepentantSinner · 14th July 2012, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by Bikewer

Funny story:

When I was in the infantry in Germany in the mid 60s, all our stuff was green "OD" as the army said. Uniforms, vehicles, etc.
One year, we were scheduled for the big Division-level war-games exercise, and the day before we were to move out, it snowed to beat the band.
About a foot of the stuff fell across Germany generally. Our commander, being a take-charge kind of guy, ordered all the battalion vehicles whitewashed.
"We'll be practically invisible!"
We would have, too, had not, on the second day, a record-snapping warm spell sent the temperatures soaring to about 60 degrees, neatly removing all the snow and rendering the training area into a sea of nice, dark brown mud, which made our shining, white vehicles rather obvious.
So we had to smear 'em all with mud.....

I lived at Graf for 3 1/2 years and the trees in and around the tank trails were brown to from base to 6-8 feet year round.

R.Mackey · 14th July 2012, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by ZirconBlue

That's how good it is!

D'oh!

Perhaps it was so good that none of the refs ever saw it either! And we could never find them at awards time..!

Doubt · 15th July 2012, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner

I lived at Graf for 3 1/2 years and the trees in and around the tank trails were brown to from base to 6-8 feet year round.

Those that have not been to Graf do not understand what Graf dust is.

Paint a vehicle before going to Graf. Notice when you get it back to your normal duty station that is is not quite the same color as before and that no amount of washing will get ride of the brown tinge from Graf.

9th July 2012, 11:29 AM	#82
learner Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2008 Location: dorset england Posts: 1,594	Originally Posted by quadraginta Did that make it a lot easier to sneak up on the fish? Yep. that and mouthing "Bob" both help.
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9th July 2012, 11:33 AM	#84
Robrob Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,660	Originally Posted by Quad4_72 Yeah the clothing allowance enlisted gets doesn't come even close. Hell, the patches we have to wear average between 10 and 15 dollars! You are going broke if you are in 1st Cav or 2nd ID lol. The velcro for patches never made a lick of sense. Why would I ever want or need to remove my name and service from my ACU? It's not like the uniform lasts 3-4 years so I have to worry about putting on a new unit patch that frequently. And it necessitates pin on skill badges, oh so useful. Not to mention the velcro patches cost 10x more than the sew on kind and have the unfortunate tendency to get caught on everything and everyone. After riding shoulder to shoulder in an MRAP for a few hours, you often find your shoulder tab stuck to the body armor of the guy next to you! The only explanation I ever heard was the velcro was so you could "sterilize" the uniform. Of course how "sterile" can you get, being a white English speaker wearing ACU in the Middle East? Originally Posted by Quad4_72 Of course the jackets still have zippers/velcro but they implemented the buttons on the pants again. Another perplexing question, if velcro was such a perfect solution - why does the ACU have velcro, buttons and zippers!?
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9th July 2012, 02:10 PM	#85
Quad4_72 AI-EE-YAH! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: USA Posts: 5,830	Originally Posted by Robrob The velcro for patches never made a lick of sense. Why would I ever want or need to remove my name and service from my ACU? It's not like the uniform lasts 3-4 years so I have to worry about putting on a new unit patch that frequently. And it necessitates pin on skill badges, oh so useful. Not to mention the velcro patches cost 10x more than the sew on kind and have the unfortunate tendency to get caught on everything and everyone. After riding shoulder to shoulder in an MRAP for a few hours, you often find your shoulder tab stuck to the body armor of the guy next to you! The only explanation I ever heard was the velcro was so you could "sterilize" the uniform. Of course how "sterile" can you get, being a white English speaker wearing ACU in the Middle East? Another perplexing question, if velcro was such a perfect solution - why does the ACU have velcro, buttons and zippers!? You are actually allowed to sew on your name tapes, rank, and skill badges now. It was definitely a pain before.
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10th July 2012, 09:30 AM	#87
Jalok Thinker Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 205	Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am That Master Chief looks pissed off about something, and why are they all uncovered on deck anyway? Uniform inspection most likely, so uncovered for haircut check. jalok
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11th July 2012, 07:16 PM	#88
Sam.I.Am Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hunting Moose and Squirrel Posts: 4,164	Originally Posted by Jalok Uniform inspection most likely, so uncovered for haircut check. jalok I had thought of that but it doesn't explain why the CMC and the rest of the inspection team are uncovered too. Every personnel inspection I've ever seen or done has always had the inspector in full uniform (including wearing a cover), mostly to set the example I would think. I'm not really familiar with skimmer navy rules though so maybe there's a special rule for that type of ship (for example I can see why they might not want hats on a flight deck because they may get blown off and sucked into what might soon become a jet engine in need of some unexpected expensive repairs). I just thought that it was kinda odd is all.
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9th July 2012, 11:27 AM	#81
Fitter Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Where the pavement ends Posts: 3,519	Originally Posted by RenaissanceBiker Next time you are out in nature, check out the color of pine tree bark. Originally Posted by Fishstick Or, you know. Rocks. Originally Posted by Howie Felterbush Or elephants. Or my ex-wife's spaghetti sauce.

9th July 2012, 11:32 AM	#83
Bikewer Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: St. Louis, Mo. Posts: 9,617	Funny story: When I was in the infantry in Germany in the mid 60s, all our stuff was green "OD" as the army said. Uniforms, vehicles, etc. One year, we were scheduled for the big Division-level war-games exercise, and the day before we were to move out, it snowed to beat the band. About a foot of the stuff fell across Germany generally. Our commander, being a take-charge kind of guy, ordered all the battalion vehicles whitewashed. "We'll be practically invisible!" We would have, too, had not, on the second day, a record-snapping warm spell sent the temperatures soaring to about 60 degrees, neatly removing all the snow and rendering the training area into a sea of nice, dark brown mud, which made our shining, white vehicles rather obvious. So we had to smear 'em all with mud.....

9th July 2012, 06:51 PM	#86
quadraginta What was the question? Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility Posts: 7,964	Originally Posted by Howie Felterbush Or elephants. Don't be silly. Everyone knows elephants are pink.

12th July 2012, 01:46 PM	#89
ZirconBlue Sole Survivor of L-Town Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Wilson, North Carolina, USA, Earth Posts: 11,407	Originally Posted by Carnivore Honest to Bob, this was the original version of that. http://olive-drab.com/images/uniform...f_2004_300.jpg Might work OK underwater. Originally Posted by R.Mackey In all my years playing, I never -- not once -- saw a single individual with a single piece of ACU clothing. That's how good it is!
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14th July 2012, 05:34 PM	#90
Jarlaxle Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New England Posts: 452	Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am It was the USS U.S. Grant (SSBN 631) coming out of a refueling overhaul at the shipyard in Portsmouth NH in late 1987 or early 1988. They were months behind schedule and there was a lot of pressure on the CO to get the sea trials done. The deck division CLPO and first lieutenant were finishing up rigging topside for dive (flipping deck cleats and so on, most of the rig was done before the lines were tossed but there were a few things left to do because they were used by the tugs). A wave broke over the stern near the engine room hatch and knocked them both off. The CO knew this but kept on going expecting that they could be pulled back up. By the time they slowed the boat and got them back aboard (about 5 minutes later) they were dead from head trauma. I ended up in that chiefs job about a year later on that boat and the division was a mess mainly because they all felt that nobody could replace their old chief (even though I went in at the point where he would've been leaving anyway). It's hard to argue against a dead guy that you've never met who was killed in such an irresponsible manner. He was practically a saint in their eyes. That incompetent twit should have been keelhauled!

14th July 2012, 10:01 PM	#91
UnrepentantSinner A post by Alan Smithee Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USAian is not a word Posts: 26,452	Originally Posted by Bikewer Funny story: When I was in the infantry in Germany in the mid 60s, all our stuff was green "OD" as the army said. Uniforms, vehicles, etc. One year, we were scheduled for the big Division-level war-games exercise, and the day before we were to move out, it snowed to beat the band. About a foot of the stuff fell across Germany generally. Our commander, being a take-charge kind of guy, ordered all the battalion vehicles whitewashed. "We'll be practically invisible!" We would have, too, had not, on the second day, a record-snapping warm spell sent the temperatures soaring to about 60 degrees, neatly removing all the snow and rendering the training area into a sea of nice, dark brown mud, which made our shining, white vehicles rather obvious. So we had to smear 'em all with mud..... I lived at Graf for 3 1/2 years and the trees in and around the tank trails were brown to from base to 6-8 feet year round.
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14th July 2012, 10:21 PM	#92
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15th July 2012, 08:20 AM	#93
Doubt Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 5,489	Originally Posted by UnrepentantSinner I lived at Graf for 3 1/2 years and the trees in and around the tank trails were brown to from base to 6-8 feet year round. Those that have not been to Graf do not understand what Graf dust is. Paint a vehicle before going to Graf. Notice when you get it back to your normal duty station that is is not quite the same color as before and that no amount of washing will get ride of the brown tinge from Graf.
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