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Join Date: Nov 2010
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Because silence is awkward....?
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beautiful freak
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Netherlands
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Every single day of my life has been worse than the day before it. So that means that every single day that you see me, that's on the worst day of my life. I♥NY You gotta love cops. |
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Join Date: May 2007
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Psycho Kitty
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Patriot Nation
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Only a sick, sick individual would term Larry Silverstein lucky on 9-11.
Dude lost friends, and countless money. |
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Our truest life is when we are in our dreams awake. -Henry David Thoreau |
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Illuminator
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Not America.
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Muse
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Yankees Universe
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"What is stopping you from taking action? Did you try CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc? Do you have a plan? Are you going to take action? What is your goal? 10 years of failure, no action." - The best question to the "truth" movement, phrased by Beachnut |
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Graduate Poster
Join Date: Apr 2009
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I'll go with the qualified experts, over some ranting guy on the internet that claims he has "the truth". Always beware of those that overuse, capitalize and blanket themselves in them word "truth". I may not always know the truth, but i do know when i'm being lied too. |
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers
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You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your INFORMED opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant. -- Harlan Ellison |
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beautiful freak
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Netherlands
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Every single day of my life has been worse than the day before it. So that means that every single day that you see me, that's on the worst day of my life. I♥NY You gotta love cops. |
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Graduate Poster
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: The van with the big antenna
Posts: 1,285
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It saddens me this thread is still active
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Common sense has clearly been snuck up on from behind beaten several times on the head and left to bleed. Over 140 pieces of evidence showing American 77 hit the Pentagon http://therightbloggerbastard.blogspot.co.nz/ http://www.youtube.com/user/cjnewson88 |
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Alphanumeric Anonymous Stick Man
Join Date: May 2007
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http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting...2b728514ea.gif "The evidence that the attacks of 9/11 were an inside job just keeps not coming in." --pomeroo |
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Illuminator
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Moss Vale, NSW, Australia
Posts: 3,655
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The base problem is that we of the debunker camp are split into two main camps plus a few minorities.
Camp 1 - probably the larger demographic - comprises those who enjoy pointing out the stupidity of truther OR troll claims; Camp 2 - those like me who support the philosophy of "Ignore the Clowns" For Camp 1 the sillier the topic the less effort it takes to pour ridicule on the clowns. And us Camp 2 folk know we are outnumbered and caught in an ironic trap of our own making. Simply put if we post 'Stop feeding the trolls' in a thread we are feeding the trolls.... .....cornered. And no easy way out. ![]() ....and, as several members have said, this "pull it" thread must be the most idiotic bit of nonsense....
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Graduate Poster
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Where you look at a thigh, and blacken an eye...
Posts: 1,324
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Indeed...you are very special for drawing such conclusions. If Larry died it would be suspicious for whoever the next surviving person in succession was. However, we do know that plenty of high power executives died that day.
But yeah...you're right. As we all know insurance companies readily pay out on fraud and murder. It's just good business. |
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For as the NWO are higher than the people, so are their ways higher than your ways, and their thoughts than your thoughts. (A amalgam of Isaiah 55:9 & truther logic) |
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers
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Philosopher
Join Date: Jul 2007
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(RedIbis, on the other hand, exists to me only in quoted form). - Gravy (Mark Roberts) |
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Psycho Kitty
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Patriot Nation
Posts: 9,329
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Our truest life is when we are in our dreams awake. -Henry David Thoreau |
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Philosopher
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers
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You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your INFORMED opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant. -- Harlan Ellison |
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Philosopher
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 6,195
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Are you freakin' serious?
What do you think the insurance policies were for? You do know that Lucky Larry and his two adult children met for breakfast every day at the tower restaurant. Larry was at the doctors and his children were running late. I don't think Lucky Larry had any obligation to rebuild with the insurance money. |
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Shitat Matzliach is why the Holohoax works. The same neoconservative scum who engineered 9/11 and got the US into two wars want American troops to sacrifice their lives in Syria and Iran. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhc7M...Mc4eb2TClVRQws http://rememberbuilding7.org/10/#aevideo http://www2.ae911truth.org/actionale...rBuilding7.php |
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a carbon based life-form
Join Date: Nov 2005
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers
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I would have expected you to counter with evidence that Larry made money, instead of asking a stupid question, making an irrelevant and purposefully loaded statement, and prefacing another statement with the immortal "I don't think" but that's just me.
Unless you think insurance companies regularly pay out claims when there's even a hint of fraud, or Larry did any better than break even, or you have ANY compelling evidence whatsoever that the man was somehow in on a plot to kill thousands of people so he could "make out like a bandit", then nobody really cares about what you think. |
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Psycho Kitty
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Patriot Nation
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Bolded part:
I got all 4 tires stolen from my car a few years back. They did NOT pay the total cost to have them replaced. As a matter of fact, I was personally on the hook for over 50% of the cost. Those are TIRES. For a CAR. And you think the insurance company would pay in its entirety, and then some, for the WTC complex?
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Illuminator
Join Date: Jul 2007
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers
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No one has provided a bit of evidence that Larry made any money that day. Red, you shouldn't act as if any of us has forgotten that fact.
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Join Date: May 2007
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Join the team, Show us what your machine can do (or just contribute to a good cause)Join the JREF Folders ! Team 13232 "Remember that the goal of conspiracy rhetoric is to bog down the discussion, not to make progress toward a solution" Jay Windley |
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Illuminator
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Not America.
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers
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Yup, that must be the reason why the insurance companies aren't paying attention to the handful of truthers who claim that it's obvious Larry committed fraud. It must be some kind of rich Jew honor system.
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: West of Northshore MA
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The reality is, the insurers never did pay out what the "truthers" claim they paid Silverstein Properties (SP).
They don't consider the fact that all insurance payouts have to go through the PA and be used to rebuild what was originally insured. This is all spelled out in the SP/PA agreement made in 2006. Anyone saying Larry made out is full of crap.
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: West of Northshore MA
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Join the team, Show us what your machine can do (or just contribute to a good cause)Join the JREF Folders ! Team 13232 "Remember that the goal of conspiracy rhetoric is to bog down the discussion, not to make progress toward a solution" Jay Windley |
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Penultimate Amazing
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers
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You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your INFORMED opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant. -- Harlan Ellison |
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Muse
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 555
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Insurance Payout Fights
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Muse
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 555
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I understand that insurance companies offer handsome rewards to informants in cases of fraudulent claims. Why don't the Truthers try taking their claims to the insurance companies, hmm?
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beautiful freak
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 20,486
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Every single day of my life has been worse than the day before it. So that means that every single day that you see me, that's on the worst day of my life. I♥NY You gotta love cops. |
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Banned
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 3,033
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It's a pain in the nether regions when you have to file an insurance claim.
Last time I was in an accident, I told the lady who hit me "I'll forget about it if you forget about it." She obliged. Two reasons I did this - the car was fine just some scuffs which I could remove with hot soap and water and the other reason was I really did not want to deal with the insurance company again. Too much paperwork, too much waiting around for evaluations, estimates and waiting on payments to my mechanic. It sucks! I could just imagine what Larry Silverstein had to deal with.
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#4
Join Date: May 2007
Location: West of Northshore MA
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For WTC7 it would have been fairly straight forward, He owned the asset.
For the rest of the complex he was just the lease holder. He was never in control of the payments. The insurers obligations are to the owner first. The NY/NJ PA own the properties. Larry Silverstein never controlled the payouts for anything other than WTC7. This is a very simplie thing to understand that seams to escape the simple minds of the average "truther". Larry Silverstein made no profit on what he did not own. Simple fact. Larry Silverstein would have made more money if 9/11 never happened. Anyone wanting to argue against this better be ready with lots of facts (not going to happen). |
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beautiful freak
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: The Netherlands
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Every single day of my life has been worse than the day before it. So that means that every single day that you see me, that's on the worst day of my life. I♥NY You gotta love cops. |
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Join Date: May 2007
Location: West of Northshore MA
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Join the team, Show us what your machine can do (or just contribute to a good cause)Join the JREF Folders ! Team 13232 "Remember that the goal of conspiracy rhetoric is to bog down the discussion, not to make progress toward a solution" Jay Windley |
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Muse
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 917
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You do know that your personal thoughts on Silverstein's obligations to rebuild or repay the insurance moneys informed noone with regard to NYC insurance regulations?
You'd have loved it if he had made out like a bandit, of course, because that gives you one more reason to hate those Joos! |
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Illuminator
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,660
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It's the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy at work. Normal people know life is nothing but an undending stream of coincidences and random occurrences. Silverstein survives 9/11 = conspiracy. If Silverstein had died, do you think it would have = no conspiracy or would the CT loons simply found another imaginary scapegoat? Odds are they'd have found a way to imagine his death as intentional.
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