Watch this old man gun down a couple of teenagers - Page 3

triforcharity · 19th July 2012, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by DavidS

From Bored of the Rings^WP:

No, true story. (But nice reference

)

Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said, and I quote:

"You have to understand, he had already shot and killed a deputy, he had already shot and killed a K-9 and he shot and injured another deputy. Quite frankly, we weren't taking any chances.... I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had. We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back."

(Side track slightly) The guy Angilo Freeland was stopped for speeding, he opened his door, ran, cops pursued, and he shot and killed one deputy, his dog Diogi, and injured another. The police found him in the woods, and he apparently reached for his gun, so....

(Sorry, off topic)

schplurg · 19th July 2012, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Howie Felterbush

And did you notice his old-school grip on that gun? Off-hand supporting the wrist. Pretty obvious he learned how to shoot a long time ago. If I didn't know better, I'd guess this guy was a cop from the 1950's.

He did everything right, or as right as you can do it in a situation like that. Maybe that last shot out the door wasn't the best idea, but it sounds like it went OK for everyone except the two douchebags.

Maybe there is an alley outside that door with no bystanders. Maybe not. I think that guy is awesome so I'll say ya, there was an empty alley out that door

I don't necessarily get excited watching people shoot each other, but in this case, and with the amount of violent crime in this country, I was cheering for him. Save the gun control noise for another thread (not speaking to anyone inparticular). We have guns, a few were used, bad guys lost.

fuelair · 19th July 2012, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

No, true story. (But nice reference

)

Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said, and I quote:

"You have to understand, he had already shot and killed a deputy, he had already shot and killed a K-9 and he shot and injured another deputy. Quite frankly, we weren't taking any chances.... I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had. We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back."

(Side track slightly) The guy Angilo Freeland was stopped for speeding, he opened his door, ran, cops pursued, and he shot and killed one deputy, his dog Diogi, and injured another. The police found him in the woods, and he apparently reached for his gun, so....

(Sorry, off topic)

I am fuelair and I approve this story of police shooting!!!

fuelair · 19th July 2012, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by AvalonXQ

As far as I'm concerned, everyone who brandishes a gun while committing a crime should be shot dead at the scene. Far too many innocents shot by criminals; far too few criminals shot by heroes.

Why, yes, yes you are totally right about that!!!! Waaaay too far many!!!!

Robrob · 19th July 2012, 02:37 PM

Quote:

In Florida, or even in Illinois, the only state where there is no legal provision for the citizens to carry a weapon to defend themselves against an attack like that.

Ummmm, that seems to be contradictory to the George Zimmerman case and Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law.

fuelair · 19th July 2012, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Beanbag

What's the issue? One of the perps HAD A GUN and WAS POINTING IT AT PEOPLE. They were expecting easy pickings. The old guy, I think, responded properly and with an adequate level of force. Notice he DID NOT chase them down the street, but stopped when the two offenders left the building.

I think he did the right thing by opening up on them without warning. It triggered their "run for your life" reflex and they ran for it. Nowhere does it say if the offenders returned fire. Probably too busy wondering what the hell went wrong, and what's this warm wet feeling I have in the back of my britches?

Despite the hype in this thread, it seemed a reasonable, measured response. I'll have to look at the video a few more times, but the shooter seemed to do an adequate job of keeping his aimpoint on line with the target and off any noncombatants.

Yes, it could have gone down worse. However, the score in this case is Bad Guys 0, Society 2.

If there was NO GUN with the robbers, then I wouldn't be supporting the shooter as much. If the robbers walked in with two baseball bats and the old guy shot them, I'd justify that ONLY if they had struck patrons. I'd have MOST LIKELY put a shot in the trash can to let the idiots know that first off, I was armed, and second off, willing to shoot. Walking in with a drawn gun, however, and a "Free Meat If You Can Get Them" sign appeared over their heads.

Beanbag

ETA: I watched it again, and the old guy's muzzle discipline is damned near perfect. I didn't see him point at ANYONE except the two idiots.

Never, ever waste a shot. You may need to place that last one in the bad guy before he can do unto you.

DavidS · 19th July 2012, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

No, true story.

Nuh-uh! It's a parody! Bilbo didn't even have a gun in real life!

Oh... the Florida shooting. I don't doubt that happened. I didn't mean to imply it didn't. That quote just pops to my mind whenever somebody mentions "pity" or "out of bullets".

I apologize for the derail.

triforcharity · 19th July 2012, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by DavidS

Nuh-uh! It's a parody! Bilbo didn't even have a gun in real life!

Oh... the Florida shooting. I don't doubt that happened. I didn't mean to imply it didn't. That quote just pops to my mind whenever somebody mentions "pity" or "out of bullets".

I apologize for the derail.

It's cool. I didn't realize it was a link....

triforcharity · 19th July 2012, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Robrob

Ummmm, that seems to be contradictory to the George Zimmerman case and Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law.

It is contradictory. Very much so. Florida is actually quite open with their gun laws.

Resume · 19th July 2012, 04:26 PM

It seems the two scamps did not plan their escapade very well; but now they'll have time to hone their skills coached by like-minded imps. Probably be out in no time.

Ah, feckless youth!

Ferguson · 19th July 2012, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Robrob

Ummmm, that seems to be contradictory to the George Zimmerman case and Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law.

That "the only state where there is no-" is referring to Illinois in his sentence, not Florida.

mhaze · 19th July 2012, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

No, true story. (But nice reference

)

Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said, and I quote:

"You have to understand, he had already shot and killed a deputy, he had already shot and killed a K-9 and he shot and injured another deputy. Quite frankly, we weren't taking any chances.... I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had. We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back."

(Side track slightly) The guy Angilo Freeland was stopped for speeding, he opened his door, ran, cops pursued, and he shot and killed one deputy, his dog Diogi, and injured another. The police found him in the woods, and he apparently reached for his gun, so....

(Sorry, off topic)

What? The bastard shot a K9 dog? I'm getting mad already. Can I take the cops some more ammo? Where's the nearest Walmart?

I Ratant · 20th July 2012, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by fuelair

Why, yes, yes you are totally right about that!!!! Waaaay too far many!!!!

.
71 at the Batman premier!

19th July 2012, 01:37 PM	#81
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,221	Originally Posted by DavidS From Bored of the Rings^WP: No, true story. (But nice reference ) Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said, and I quote: "You have to understand, he had already shot and killed a deputy, he had already shot and killed a K-9 and he shot and injured another deputy. Quite frankly, we weren't taking any chances.... I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had. We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back." (Side track slightly) The guy Angilo Freeland was stopped for speeding, he opened his door, ran, cops pursued, and he shot and killed one deputy, his dog Diogi, and injured another. The police found him in the woods, and he apparently reached for his gun, so.... (Sorry, off topic)
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19th July 2012, 01:55 PM	#82
schplurg Muse Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 924	Originally Posted by Howie Felterbush And did you notice his old-school grip on that gun? Off-hand supporting the wrist. Pretty obvious he learned how to shoot a long time ago. If I didn't know better, I'd guess this guy was a cop from the 1950's. He did everything right, or as right as you can do it in a situation like that. Maybe that last shot out the door wasn't the best idea, but it sounds like it went OK for everyone except the two douchebags. Maybe there is an alley outside that door with no bystanders. Maybe not. I think that guy is awesome so I'll say ya, there was an empty alley out that door I don't necessarily get excited watching people shoot each other, but in this case, and with the amount of violent crime in this country, I was cheering for him. Save the gun control noise for another thread (not speaking to anyone inparticular). We have guns, a few were used, bad guys lost.
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19th July 2012, 02:31 PM	#83
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by triforcharity No, true story. (But nice reference ) Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said, and I quote: "You have to understand, he had already shot and killed a deputy, he had already shot and killed a K-9 and he shot and injured another deputy. Quite frankly, we weren't taking any chances.... I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had. We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back." (Side track slightly) The guy Angilo Freeland was stopped for speeding, he opened his door, ran, cops pursued, and he shot and killed one deputy, his dog Diogi, and injured another. The police found him in the woods, and he apparently reached for his gun, so.... (Sorry, off topic) I am fuelair and I approve this story of police shooting!!!
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19th July 2012, 02:34 PM	#84
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by AvalonXQ As far as I'm concerned, everyone who brandishes a gun while committing a crime should be shot dead at the scene. Far too many innocents shot by criminals; far too few criminals shot by heroes. Why, yes, yes you are totally right about that!!!! Waaaay too far many!!!!
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19th July 2012, 02:37 PM	#85
Robrob Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,660	Quote: In Florida, or even in Illinois, the only state where there is no legal provision for the citizens to carry a weapon to defend themselves against an attack like that. Ummmm, that seems to be contradictory to the George Zimmerman case and Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law.
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19th July 2012, 02:38 PM	#86
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,961	Originally Posted by Beanbag What's the issue? One of the perps HAD A GUN and WAS POINTING IT AT PEOPLE. They were expecting easy pickings. The old guy, I think, responded properly and with an adequate level of force. Notice he DID NOT chase them down the street, but stopped when the two offenders left the building. I think he did the right thing by opening up on them without warning. It triggered their "run for your life" reflex and they ran for it. Nowhere does it say if the offenders returned fire. Probably too busy wondering what the hell went wrong, and what's this warm wet feeling I have in the back of my britches? Despite the hype in this thread, it seemed a reasonable, measured response. I'll have to look at the video a few more times, but the shooter seemed to do an adequate job of keeping his aimpoint on line with the target and off any noncombatants. Yes, it could have gone down worse. However, the score in this case is Bad Guys 0, Society 2. If there was NO GUN with the robbers, then I wouldn't be supporting the shooter as much. If the robbers walked in with two baseball bats and the old guy shot them, I'd justify that ONLY if they had struck patrons. I'd have MOST LIKELY put a shot in the trash can to let the idiots know that first off, I was armed, and second off, willing to shoot. Walking in with a drawn gun, however, and a "Free Meat If You Can Get Them" sign appeared over their heads. Beanbag ETA: I watched it again, and the old guy's muzzle discipline is damned near perfect. I didn't see him point at ANYONE except the two idiots. Never, ever waste a shot. You may need to place that last one in the bad guy before he can do unto you.
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19th July 2012, 02:42 PM	#87
DavidS Muse Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 519	Originally Posted by triforcharity No, true story. Nuh-uh! It's a parody! Bilbo didn't even have a gun in real life! Oh... the Florida shooting. I don't doubt that happened. I didn't mean to imply it didn't. That quote just pops to my mind whenever somebody mentions "pity" or "out of bullets". I apologize for the derail.
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19th July 2012, 03:07 PM	#88
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,221	Originally Posted by DavidS Nuh-uh! It's a parody! Bilbo didn't even have a gun in real life! Oh... the Florida shooting. I don't doubt that happened. I didn't mean to imply it didn't. That quote just pops to my mind whenever somebody mentions "pity" or "out of bullets". I apologize for the derail. It's cool. I didn't realize it was a link....
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19th July 2012, 03:08 PM	#89
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,221	Originally Posted by Robrob Ummmm, that seems to be contradictory to the George Zimmerman case and Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. It is contradictory. Very much so. Florida is actually quite open with their gun laws.
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19th July 2012, 04:26 PM	#90
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,035	It seems the two scamps did not plan their escapade very well; but now they'll have time to hone their skills coached by like-minded imps. Probably be out in no time. Ah, feckless youth!
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19th July 2012, 04:53 PM	#91
Ferguson Muse Join Date: May 2009 Location: Lansing, MI Posts: 835	Originally Posted by Robrob Ummmm, that seems to be contradictory to the George Zimmerman case and Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law. That "the only state where there is no-" is referring to Illinois in his sentence, not Florida.

19th July 2012, 05:51 PM	#92
mhaze Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Woo*(+-1.10)^20=AGWwoo Posts: 15,395	Originally Posted by triforcharity No, true story. (But nice reference ) Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said, and I quote: "You have to understand, he had already shot and killed a deputy, he had already shot and killed a K-9 and he shot and injured another deputy. Quite frankly, we weren't taking any chances.... I suspect the only reason 110 rounds was all that was fired was that's all the ammunition they had. We were not going to take any chance of him shooting back." (Side track slightly) The guy Angilo Freeland was stopped for speeding, he opened his door, ran, cops pursued, and he shot and killed one deputy, his dog Diogi, and injured another. The police found him in the woods, and he apparently reached for his gun, so.... (Sorry, off topic) What? The bastard shot a K9 dog? I'm getting mad already. Can I take the cops some more ammo? Where's the nearest Walmart?
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20th July 2012, 12:03 PM	#93
I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by fuelair Why, yes, yes you are totally right about that!!!! Waaaay too far many!!!! . 71 at the Batman premier!