Power4Home Scam: A lesson in search engine optimization

Denver · 29th December 2011, 08:38 AM

How to build your own solar and wind powered energy plant for under $200, for $49.97!

Really?

I was perusing Glenn Beck's theblaze.com (don't ask), and saw a "Breaking News" article, which was actually an ad for Power4Home (with no indication it was an advertisement). So, what the heck, I followed it.

It was a flash presentation (slideshow) of over 30 minutes. If you have the time, it is quite the lesson in how many emotional strings an ad can try to pluck to sell you something (my favorite is the little girl running up to her daddy with blue lips and her teddy bear in her arms, telling daddy she is sooo cold....). Also many pokes at the evil government corporations ripping you off.

I listened to the end, because that was where the price was (not anywhere else as far as I could tell). Also amusingly, I left the page on a browser tab when it was done, and in about 10 minutes, it started with "Still there?", and began a different sales spiel anew.

But the reason I am actually posting, is I then did a few Google searches on the company. I saw many sites regarding the "Power4home Scam". But, they were all about someone wondering if it was a scam, looking into it, and deciding it was legit. And then posting a link to where you can buy it.

Apparently the people selling this thing have done a superb job of search-engine seeding and optimization. It actually took some work to find the BBB and other scam reports. I think this is a good example of how even the cautious consumer (of products, or of information) can be fairly easily fooled unless they are more and more diligent in their research, and can find information sources, or at least information discussion forums, they can respect.

Sherlock · 29th December 2011, 08:52 AM

It resembles the web sites run by several major psychic detectives --- or the multi-million dollar marketing firms hired by those psychic detectives to make them look great.

ehcks · 29th December 2011, 09:17 AM

So far, I've found that they don't actually sell you parts.

They sell you an instruction guide on how to build a solar panel for under $200. Something you could just google for free.

Denver · 29th December 2011, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Sherlock

It resembles the web sites run by several major psychic detectives --- or the multi-million dollar marketing firms hired by those psychic detectives to make them look great.

Interesting. I've never gone looking for the referenced links to those, but I can't say I'm surprised.

Originally Posted by ehcks

So far, I've found that they don't actually sell you parts.

They sell you an instruction guide on how to build a solar panel for under $200. Something you could just google for free.

Yeah, it seems to be some (rather generic) body of instructions, but of the complaints I could find, they made your point, as well as saying the ads were misleading as to what you got (for example, the ad shows how someone built their own power plant and changed an almost $190 utility bill to zero. But, the instructions apparently do not allow this scale of power plant for the "less than $200 in costs" claim).

Tomtomkent · 1st January 2012, 12:04 AM

Pffft. Like I will need this once my perpetual motion machine gets here, and the pyramid that sharpens my blades and charges batteries because it is pyramid shaped.

Michael C · 1st January 2012, 01:03 AM

Nasty. They have bought some interesting domain names: power4homescam.info, power4homescam.net and power4homereview.org, for instance.

The Better Business Bureau has an alert for Power4home:

"According to information in BBB files, Power4Home is not a BBB Accredited Business. The company has not responded to the BBB's requests to remove the BBB Logo from websites. In addition, mail sent to the mailing address has been returned. The BBB has been unable to locate a physical address for the company."

kevsta · 2nd January 2012, 11:39 AM

this isnt really "search engine optimization" it's affiliate spamming.

Professor Yaffle · 2nd January 2012, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by Denver

But the reason I am actually posting, is I then did a few Google searches on the company. I saw many sites regarding the "Power4home Scam". But, they were all about someone wondering if it was a scam, looking into it, and deciding it was legit. And then posting a link to where you can buy it.

Is there anyone to whom this doesn't scream "SCAM" to instantly?

xblade · 2nd January 2012, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Michael C

Nasty. They have bought some interesting domain names: power4homescam.info, power4homescam.net and power4homereview.org, for instance.

The Better Business Bureau has an alert for Power4home:

"According to information in BBB files, Power4Home is not a BBB Accredited Business. The company has not responded to the BBB's requests to remove the BBB Logo from websites. In addition, mail sent to the mailing address has been returned. The BBB has been unable to locate a physical address for the company."

The BBB? Speaking of scams, lol.

kleinjahr · 3rd January 2012, 07:51 AM

Sounds like someone farming the net for ideas/plans they can sell as their own. Plenty of places you can find the info for yourself, often for free.
To see what actually can be done, see this clip from TED.
http://www.ted.com/talks/william_kam..._the_wind.html

CynicalSkeptic · 3rd January 2012, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by Denver

But the reason I am actually posting, is I then did a few Google searches on the company. I saw many sites regarding the "Power4home Scam". But, they were all about someone wondering if it was a scam, looking into it, and deciding it was legit. And then posting a link to where you can buy it.

Very typical MLM tactic. I posted something like this in one of the MLM threads.

JWideman · 3rd January 2012, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by kevsta

this isnt really "search engine optimization" it's affiliate spamming.

This. The "is this a scam? no" is forum shilling, too.

Denver · 3rd January 2012, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by JWideman

This. The "is this a scam? no" is forum shilling, too.

I believe it is still also a type of search engine optimization, in that creating these other articles, and then including backlinks to Power4Home, increases that website's ranking and visibility in search engine results.

cosmicaug · 9th August 2012, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Denver

How to build your own solar and wind powered energy plant for under $200, for $49.97!

Really?

I was perusing Glenn Beck's theblaze.com (don't ask), and saw a "Breaking News" article, which was actually an ad for Power4Home (with no indication it was an advertisement). So, what the heck, I followed it.

Funny that all the advertisers listed in their "as seen on" are all conservative outlets (Fox, Glenn Beck, The Blaze, The Bob Livingston Letter & Town Hall). I wonder why that is?

Alareth · 9th August 2012, 01:34 PM

But ... anything other than coal or oil is part of the evil liberal AGW agenda to destroy society. Why would GB allow that to be advertised on his site?

Tomtomkent · 9th August 2012, 11:27 PM

The sad thing is course that decent solar pannels can be a good return for a modest investment. As with so many other things in life, the hucksters prey on the unwary and tarnish good ideas.

Brian-M · 10th August 2012, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by Tomtomkent

and the pyramid that sharpens my blades and charges batteries because it is pyramid shaped.

Ooooh. It's been a long time since I heard about those. I still can't believe anyone took that seriously. They were also supposed to preserve food.

But at least that was cheap woo, with practitioners building their own pyramids from cardboard and sticky-tape.

Alan · 10th August 2012, 02:09 AM

I saw an ad for a home electricity creating device today. I'm pretty sure it was on the USA Today website's political pages. Power companies hate it, it told me.

cosmicaug · 10th August 2012, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Alan

I saw an ad for a home electricity creating device today. I'm pretty sure it was on the USA Today website's political pages. Power companies hate it, it told me.

Now that I think about it, I wonder if I didn't get there from Facebook. Normally I am running an ad blocker on my browser so I don't even know what ads are there.

The page I landed on had the "as seen on" graphic and it included the publications I mentioned.

carlitos · 10th August 2012, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by cosmicaug

Funny that all the advertisers listed in their "as seen on" are all conservative outlets (Fox, Glenn Beck, The Blaze, The Bob Livingston Letter & Town Hall). I wonder why that is?

Well, he found the ad on the blaze, so they would obviously run the "as seen on" from sites that cater to blaze readership. If they found the ad on "organic foods for u" dot com or whatever, they'd include "as seen on" Montel Williams or something.

CynicalSkeptic · 10th August 2012, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Brian-M

But at least that was cheap woo, with practitioners building their own pyramids from cardboard and sticky-tape.

Well, that's why they don't work. To truly harness the Power of Pyramids, you must purchase Genuine Gold Plated Pyramid Parts (tm) from PyramidPower.com.

Only 19.95 each plus shipping and handling.

jimfish · 10th August 2012, 02:01 PM

Take a shot every time the voice-over guy says the words "fat cats."

Have the paramedics on standby.

IceSage · 12th August 2012, 06:45 AM

This is the same type of scam as others, such as:

-3 Body Building Secrets
-3 Questions to Seduce a Girl
-1 Secret to getting a bigger penis they don't want you to know.

I have no idea if those are the exact titles, but they follow the same format:

-Long flash movie that takes 30 minutes to get to the point
-Usually a personal story making it look like they put it together themselves and made it big.
-The "point" never actually comes, by the way. If it says it'll tell you the secret to something, the end of the video will lead you to a book for a price. (Also, the book doesn't tell you anything either.)

Searching for these products or specific names, (sometimes the name of "the guy" who put together the video) will yield results on Google in which the person or people on the site will tell you that they thought it was a scam as well, and "investigated" and came to the conclusion that it's NOT a scam, and that you should chip in some money and read the book.

I have to wonder... is this all the same company or same person doing this? Seems like something bigger at work.

sophia8 · 12th August 2012, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Denver

But the reason I am actually posting, is I then did a few Google searches on the company. I saw many sites regarding the "Power4home Scam". But, they were all about someone wondering if it was a scam, looking into it, and deciding it was legit. And then posting a link to where you can buy it.

That's very common with these type of scams. The articles and links are usually posted by affiliate marketers.

ETA: I see that Kevsta beat me to it.

MattusMaximus · 12th November 2012, 04:46 PM

I'm not sure if you all know this, but apparently the same outfit is now calling itself Power4Patriots

Just an FYI

Sledge · 12th November 2012, 06:05 PM

Great timing, should appeal to all the nutjobs looking to get off the grid now Obama's going to declare himself Emperor.

Killbot007 · 12th November 2012, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by ehcks

So far, I've found that they don't actually sell you parts.

They sell you an instruction guide on how to build a solar panel for under $200. Something you could just google for free.

Reminds me of the build your own hovercraft ads from the back of comicbooks.

xterra · 12th November 2012, 08:53 PM

If you believe the US government (and who would do that??), then there's this analysis of all those schemes.

http://www.nist.gov/pml/div684/power_121509.cfm

If you don't believe the government, you could go to:

http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/powerfactor.html

If you don't like that one, what the heck, it's only $29, right?

29th December 2011, 08:38 AM	#1
Denver Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 6,603	Power4Home Scam: A lesson in search engine optimization How to build your own solar and wind powered energy plant for under $200, for $49.97! Really? I was perusing Glenn Beck's theblaze.com (don't ask), and saw a "Breaking News" article, which was actually an ad for Power4Home (with no indication it was an advertisement). So, what the heck, I followed it. It was a flash presentation (slideshow) of over 30 minutes. If you have the time, it is quite the lesson in how many emotional strings an ad can try to pluck to sell you something (my favorite is the little girl running up to her daddy with blue lips and her teddy bear in her arms, telling daddy she is sooo cold....). Also many pokes at the evil government corporations ripping you off. I listened to the end, because that was where the price was (not anywhere else as far as I could tell). Also amusingly, I left the page on a browser tab when it was done, and in about 10 minutes, it started with "Still there?", and began a different sales spiel anew. But the reason I am actually posting, is I then did a few Google searches on the company. I saw many sites regarding the "Power4home Scam". But, they were all about someone wondering if it was a scam, looking into it, and deciding it was legit. And then posting a link to where you can buy it. Apparently the people selling this thing have done a superb job of search-engine seeding and optimization. It actually took some work to find the BBB and other scam reports. I think this is a good example of how even the cautious consumer (of products, or of information) can be fairly easily fooled unless they are more and more diligent in their research, and can find information sources, or at least information discussion forums, they can respect.
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29th December 2011, 08:52 AM	#2
Sherlock Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 425	It resembles the web sites run by several major psychic detectives --- or the multi-million dollar marketing firms hired by those psychic detectives to make them look great.
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29th December 2011, 09:17 AM	#3
ehcks Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,693	So far, I've found that they don't actually sell you parts. They sell you an instruction guide on how to build a solar panel for under $200. Something you could just google for free.
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1st January 2012, 12:04 AM	#5
Tomtomkent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Kent, United Kingdom Posts: 5,218	Pffft. Like I will need this once my perpetual motion machine gets here, and the pyramid that sharpens my blades and charges batteries because it is pyramid shaped.
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2nd January 2012, 11:39 AM	#7
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29th December 2011, 02:21 PM	#4
Denver Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 6,603	Originally Posted by Sherlock It resembles the web sites run by several major psychic detectives --- or the multi-million dollar marketing firms hired by those psychic detectives to make them look great. Interesting. I've never gone looking for the referenced links to those, but I can't say I'm surprised. Originally Posted by ehcks So far, I've found that they don't actually sell you parts. They sell you an instruction guide on how to build a solar panel for under $200. Something you could just google for free. Yeah, it seems to be some (rather generic) body of instructions, but of the complaints I could find, they made your point, as well as saying the ads were misleading as to what you got (for example, the ad shows how someone built their own power plant and changed an almost $190 utility bill to zero. But, the instructions apparently do not allow this scale of power plant for the "less than $200 in costs" claim).

1st January 2012, 01:03 AM	#6
Michael C Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: N 49° 52' 3" E 8° 40' 21" Posts: 1,853	Nasty. They have bought some interesting domain names: power4homescam.info, power4homescam.net and power4homereview.org, for instance. The Better Business Bureau has an alert for Power4home: "According to information in BBB files, Power4Home is not a BBB Accredited Business. The company has not responded to the BBB's requests to remove the BBB Logo from websites. In addition, mail sent to the mailing address has been returned. The BBB has been unable to locate a physical address for the company."

2nd January 2012, 11:45 AM	#8
Professor Yaffle Butterbeans and Breadcrumbs Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Emily's shop Posts: 15,356	Originally Posted by Denver But the reason I am actually posting, is I then did a few Google searches on the company. I saw many sites regarding the "Power4home Scam". But, they were all about someone wondering if it was a scam, looking into it, and deciding it was legit. And then posting a link to where you can buy it. Is there anyone to whom this doesn't scream "SCAM" to instantly?
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2nd January 2012, 04:23 PM	#9
xblade Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 461	Originally Posted by Michael C Nasty. They have bought some interesting domain names: power4homescam.info, power4homescam.net and power4homereview.org, for instance. The Better Business Bureau has an alert for Power4home: "According to information in BBB files, Power4Home is not a BBB Accredited Business. The company has not responded to the BBB's requests to remove the BBB Logo from websites. In addition, mail sent to the mailing address has been returned. The BBB has been unable to locate a physical address for the company." The BBB? Speaking of scams, lol.

3rd January 2012, 07:51 AM	#10
kleinjahr Thinker Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 235	Sounds like someone farming the net for ideas/plans they can sell as their own. Plenty of places you can find the info for yourself, often for free. To see what actually can be done, see this clip from TED. http://www.ted.com/talks/william_kam..._the_wind.html
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3rd January 2012, 08:03 AM	#11
CynicalSkeptic Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: state of denial Posts: 1,363	Originally Posted by Denver But the reason I am actually posting, is I then did a few Google searches on the company. I saw many sites regarding the "Power4home Scam". But, they were all about someone wondering if it was a scam, looking into it, and deciding it was legit. And then posting a link to where you can buy it. Very typical MLM tactic. I posted something like this in one of the MLM threads.

3rd January 2012, 08:10 AM	#12
JWideman Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,241	Originally Posted by kevsta this isnt really "search engine optimization" it's affiliate spamming. This. The "is this a scam? no" is forum shilling, too.

3rd January 2012, 08:15 AM	#13
Denver Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Denver, Colorado Posts: 6,603	Originally Posted by JWideman This. The "is this a scam? no" is forum shilling, too. I believe it is still also a type of search engine optimization, in that creating these other articles, and then including backlinks to Power4Home, increases that website's ranking and visibility in search engine results.

9th August 2012, 11:36 AM	#14
cosmicaug Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 344	Originally Posted by Denver How to build your own solar and wind powered energy plant for under $200, for $49.97! Really? I was perusing Glenn Beck's theblaze.com (don't ask), and saw a "Breaking News" article, which was actually an ad for Power4Home (with no indication it was an advertisement). So, what the heck, I followed it. Funny that all the advertisers listed in their "as seen on" are all conservative outlets (Fox, Glenn Beck, The Blaze, The Bob Livingston Letter & Town Hall). I wonder why that is?

9th August 2012, 01:34 PM	#15
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Tomtomkent Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Kent, United Kingdom Posts: 5,218	The sad thing is course that decent solar pannels can be a good return for a modest investment. As with so many other things in life, the hucksters prey on the unwary and tarnish good ideas.
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10th August 2012, 01:53 AM	#17
Brian-M Daydreamer Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Downunder Posts: 4,275	Originally Posted by Tomtomkent and the pyramid that sharpens my blades and charges batteries because it is pyramid shaped. Ooooh. It's been a long time since I heard about those. I still can't believe anyone took that seriously. They were also supposed to preserve food. But at least that was cheap woo, with practitioners building their own pyramids from cardboard and sticky-tape.
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10th August 2012, 02:09 AM	#18
Alan Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,652	I saw an ad for a home electricity creating device today. I'm pretty sure it was on the USA Today website's political pages. Power companies hate it, it told me.

10th August 2012, 07:56 AM	#19
cosmicaug Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 344	Originally Posted by Alan I saw an ad for a home electricity creating device today. I'm pretty sure it was on the USA Today website's political pages. Power companies hate it, it told me. Now that I think about it, I wonder if I didn't get there from Facebook. Normally I am running an ad blocker on my browser so I don't even know what ads are there. The page I landed on had the "as seen on" graphic and it included the publications I mentioned.

10th August 2012, 11:36 AM	#20
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 11,554	Originally Posted by cosmicaug Funny that all the advertisers listed in their "as seen on" are all conservative outlets (Fox, Glenn Beck, The Blaze, The Bob Livingston Letter & Town Hall). I wonder why that is? Well, he found the ad on the blaze, so they would obviously run the "as seen on" from sites that cater to blaze readership. If they found the ad on "organic foods for u" dot com or whatever, they'd include "as seen on" Montel Williams or something.

10th August 2012, 01:06 PM	#21
CynicalSkeptic Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: state of denial Posts: 1,363	Originally Posted by Brian-M But at least that was cheap woo, with practitioners building their own pyramids from cardboard and sticky-tape. Well, that's why they don't work. To truly harness the Power of Pyramids, you must purchase Genuine Gold Plated Pyramid Parts (tm) from PyramidPower.com. Only 19.95 each plus shipping and handling.
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10th August 2012, 02:01 PM	#22
jimfish Critical Thinker Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 269	Take a shot every time the voice-over guy says the words "fat cats." Have the paramedics on standby.
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12th August 2012, 06:45 AM	#23
IceSage Scholar Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 64	This is the same type of scam as others, such as: -3 Body Building Secrets -3 Questions to Seduce a Girl -1 Secret to getting a bigger penis they don't want you to know. I have no idea if those are the exact titles, but they follow the same format: -Long flash movie that takes 30 minutes to get to the point -Usually a personal story making it look like they put it together themselves and made it big. -The "point" never actually comes, by the way. If it says it'll tell you the secret to something, the end of the video will lead you to a book for a price. (Also, the book doesn't tell you anything either.) Searching for these products or specific names, (sometimes the name of "the guy" who put together the video) will yield results on Google in which the person or people on the site will tell you that they thought it was a scam as well, and "investigated" and came to the conclusion that it's NOT a scam, and that you should chip in some money and read the book. I have to wonder... is this all the same company or same person doing this? Seems like something bigger at work.
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12th August 2012, 06:55 AM	#24
sophia8 Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In the dark, dark forest.... Posts: 2,263	Originally Posted by Denver But the reason I am actually posting, is I then did a few Google searches on the company. I saw many sites regarding the "Power4home Scam". But, they were all about someone wondering if it was a scam, looking into it, and deciding it was legit. And then posting a link to where you can buy it. That's very common with these type of scams. The articles and links are usually posted by affiliate marketers. ETA: I see that Kevsta beat me to it.
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12th November 2012, 04:46 PM	#25
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12th November 2012, 06:05 PM	#26
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12th November 2012, 08:42 PM	#27
Killbot007 New Blood Join Date: May 2012 Location: Station 5 - The Pearl Posts: 13	Originally Posted by ehcks So far, I've found that they don't actually sell you parts. They sell you an instruction guide on how to build a solar panel for under $200. Something you could just google for free. Reminds me of the build your own hovercraft ads from the back of comicbooks.

12th November 2012, 08:53 PM	#28
xterra Muse Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: On the outskirts of Nowhere; the middle was too crowded Posts: 625	If you believe the US government (and who would do that??), then there's this analysis of all those schemes. http://www.nist.gov/pml/div684/power_121509.cfm If you don't believe the government, you could go to: http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/powerfactor.html If you don't like that one, what the heck, it's only $29, right?
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