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What would happen if an imprisoned felon won the presidency?
I am not talking about Obama or Romney.
Leonard Peltier is serving two consecutive life sentences in a federal prison and ran for president in 2004. Other incarcerated felons have made attempts to run for president. What would happen if someone in prison won the presidency? |
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Gatekeeper of The Left
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And what would happen if a SNAIL was elected POPE?
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If frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass.
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I think this is when the electoral college steps in and doesn't pledge their votes to the felon.
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Penultimate Amazing
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James Michael Curley was elected to two separate offices (including Mayor of Boston), while incarcerated.
True story: Around 1964, my uncle, who is also named James Michael Curley (but no relation to the pol) graduated from Boston College. When they announced his name, the crowd let out a tremendous roar. I was thrilled to hear so many people liked my uncle; it wasn't until years later that I found out the real reason for the applause. |
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This is actually an interesting side question. Are electors legally required -- meaning they can't do anything else -- to cast their votes as prescribed by their state's election results, or could they exercise independent judgment? Suppose some terrible scandal was revealed about the winner after the national election but before the electors met? Could they say, "Not this guy, no way?" Or could, say, Donald Trump promise $10 million for each elector's vote if a majority named him president? Or could electors conspire, maybe by dividing their votes among several candidates, to throw the election into the House? What can electors actually do?
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According to wikipedia entry on Electoral College (United States)WP (with cites):
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They'd probably not be able to get much done, expecting the opposition to conduct themselves in good faith and being completely wrong. They'd have a very hard time twisting the public to what needs done because they wouldn't play to blind ideology or sugar coat it.
Depending on what you mean by 'honest person' I find it less plausible than electing an imprisoned felon. |
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Somebody who knows more about government than I do could answer the question better, if they were to take the question seriously. But I would hazard a guess that the President would be deemed incapable of fulfilling the duties of the office of the President (and I don’t know exactly what that would take; probably a vote by Congress) and then the Vice-President would assume the duties of President until such time as the President was released. The Vice-President may pardon the President. Or the Senate may be able to impeach the President and remove him from office.
It would depend a lot on the circumstances. I would expect there would be legal battles because it has never happened before and is never expected to happen. The courts would have to sort it out. It would probably end up a Supreme Court case. But strange things have happened. There was a case in 2000 where a dead man was elected to the Senate in Missouri. He was the governor of the state. He died about three weeks before the election,. Under Missouri state law, the lieutenant-governor became governor, and if the dead governor was elected it would be up to the lieutenant-governor (now governor) to appoint the Senate seat. He vowed to appoint the dead guy’s wife if that happened. The dead governor won the election and the new governor appointed his wife to the Senate seat. |
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I do not believe an imprisoned felon would be eligible for office. A Presidential candidate must get on a ballot in every State (or at least enough states to carry the general election). While anyone can announce they are running, a candidate doesn't get a vote if they aren't on the ballot or eligible as a write in.
Aside from the probablity that an incarcerated felon would not be eligible, there remains too many hurdles to election to make a successful campaign even remotely likely. It is so unlikely that it is safe to call it impossible. Overcome the functionally impossible and actually win the election AND have the state electors actually cast for the felon, and he would be deemed unfit by his Cabinet or impeached by Congress. |
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There is nothing that technically makes an imprisoned felon ineligible. Also a presidential candidate doesn't have to be on every state ballot, just enough state ballots to win.
If it did happen, the biggest issue would be: Could the FAA handle all the porcine air traffic? |
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Intellectual Gladiator
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Seeking Honesty and Sanity
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I do not think that such a thing could happen.
To explain, the candidate eligibility requirements state that the person running for office has to be a registered voter. And since an imprisoned felon is not a registered voter, then his, or her, name would be excluded from the election process (even as a 'write-in'). By the way, anyone can say that they are running for president, however it takes a good bit more than that in order to actually become the president. P.S.: Happy birthday JREF!
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Ardent Formulist
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When I was attending the University of Texas, the hallucination of a fictional comic strip character was elected student government president.
Since a hallucination can't hold office, they simply held a runoff election between the second and third place finishers. It apparently wasn't the first time something like this happened. In a previous election, a dog won the presidency. |
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grumpy old skeptic
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Well, did one of the current candidates lie to one or the other of the SEC or Election Commision?
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Muse
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As best I can determine, you can throw all the primaries, ballots, candidates and popular votes out the window because all that matters is the Electoral College vote. So the real question is, "Can the Electoral College vote for anyone they want?" It appears they can. While many states have "faithless elector" laws to punish such individuals they are not prohibited from doing so by federal law.
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