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marcus777 · 12th August 2012, 07:50 AM

Has this video been discussed on here yet?

Muad'Dib's latest film about the July 7 2005 London bombings.

Breach of rule 4 removed. Do not copy and paste material from elsewhere.

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marcus777 · 12th August 2012, 07:52 AM

site won't let me post the video due to post count.

uvar · 12th August 2012, 08:06 AM

marcus777, do you agree or disagree with the conclusions the video makes?

Tricky · 12th August 2012, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by marcus777

site won't let me post the video due to post count.

You can post it without the "at-sign" (Substitute a different character) and people can fill it in when they paste it to their browser. The post limit on allowing links is designed to discourage drive-by spammers.

Biscuit · 12th August 2012, 08:13 AM

Clearly you just copied and pasted this post from somewhere else. Can you tell us in your own words what is going on?

give us the link like this www. youtube xyx .com and someone will post it for you.

drewid · 12th August 2012, 08:45 AM

Quoting UberCT James Fetzer really won't help anyone take this seriously.

Childlike Empress · 12th August 2012, 08:54 AM

vid here:

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

Dcdrac · 12th August 2012, 08:58 AM

take this seriously???

We know who did and no silly videos on youtube will change that

Straw Man · 12th August 2012, 09:11 AM

I'm waiting to hear what the OP has to say.

uke2se · 12th August 2012, 10:17 AM

"Hit piece" in conspiranese apparently means "factual documentary making a mockery of our nutty beliefs".

marcus777 · 12th August 2012, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

vid here:

YouTube Video This video is not hosted by the JREF. The JREF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.

I AGREE

yeah thats the one, thankyou.

marcus777 · 12th August 2012, 10:23 AM

So I guess everything in the video has already been debunked?

uke2se · 12th August 2012, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by marcus777

So I guess everything in the video has already been debunked?

Quite possibly. I don't think any of us feel like waching two and a half hours of cospirawank drivel just to check, though. If you feel like discussing it, you could present us with individual claims from the video.

ComfySlippers · 12th August 2012, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by marcus777

...Muad'Dib's latest film about the July 7 2005 London bombings.

Quote:

After being unlawfully jailed for 157 days based on trumped-up charges, and the BBC making a dedicated hit-piece on the original 7/7 Ripple
Effect...

Quote:

- James H. Fetzer, professor emeritus at the University of Minnesota
...

patchbunny · 12th August 2012, 07:24 PM

yt;dw

Do you have any points you wish to make from the video?

Lisa Simpson · 12th August 2012, 07:41 PM

What were the trumped up charges, out of curiosity?

Robrob · 12th August 2012, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by marcus777

So I guess everything in the video has already been debunked?

CT 101: Post videos and demand everyone else do your homework for you.

mercatormac · 12th August 2012, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson

What were the trumped up charges, out of curiosity?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8124687.stm
John Hill was arrested and extradited to the UK on a charge of perverting the course of justice for sending DVDs of 7/7 Ripple Effect to the judge and jury foreman in a trial linked to the attacks.

Lisa Simpson · 12th August 2012, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by mercatormac

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8124687.stm
John Hill was arrested and extradited to the UK on a charge of perverting the course of justice for sending DVDs of 7/7 Ripple Effect to the judge and jury foreman in a trial linked to the attacks.

Thanks. Doesn't seem trumped up to me.

Her Grey Eminence · 12th August 2012, 11:05 PM

Quote:

A document on Muad Dib's website reveals he believes he is the Messiah and that George Lucas wrote Star Wars after being told telepathically what to write, by the very "Force" to which the films refer.

Is it just me or is there something chilling about extradition law being used to track down and imprison mentally ill people in different countries for fairly minor breaches of internal judicial proecdures?

How would you feel if Saudi Arabia extradited people who contacted internal dissidents from Dubai? Or Russia extradited people who wrote to the court about Pussy Riot?

mercatormac · 12th August 2012, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence

Is it just me or is there something chilling about extradition law being used to track down and imprison mentally ill people in different countries for fairly minor breaches of internal judicial proecdures?

I thought the guy was a U.K. citizen who just happened to be living in Ireland. And in my opinion trying to tamper with a jury should actually be considered a rather serious crime.

Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence

How would you feel if Saudi Arabia extradited people who contacted internal dissidents from Dubai? Or Russia extradited people who wrote to the court about Pussy Riot?

Do either of these countries have extradition agreements with the U.K?

timhau · 13th August 2012, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by Robrob

CT 101: Post videos and demand everyone else do your homework for you.

Actually, this one is for extra credit: Post a link to a two-hour video and demand everyone else do your homework for you.

Her Grey Eminence · 13th August 2012, 01:08 AM

oh good, it is just me.

I was worried about an outbreak of humanity amongst JREF members. It appears the dangers of contagion are past.

Sam.I.Am · 13th August 2012, 01:25 AM

Fetzer? Here's a hint, if that guy likes something then I feel safe in saying that the odds are very good that there are very few (if any) actual facts being used in the proper context in the film.

As far as the jury tampering goes that's not a trumped up charge. There's a reason why jurors are first vetted for preconceived biases and then only given the pertinent facts that can be proven (or dis-proven in the case of the defense) and not insane internet hogwash. The defense has every right to present the theories if they so desire but the fact that they didn't go that route should tell you all that you need to know about the veracity of the information that is in the film.

Sunstealer · 13th August 2012, 01:27 AM

In the UK Perverting the Cause of Justice carries a maximum penalty of life imprisonment. However, the average sentence is 10 months. You obviously have zero clue about how extradition works or why it's necessary to hold someone on remand whilst awaiting trial. He would have been a flight risk and that's enough for a magistrates court to order him to be held on remand.

I notice that you don't mention that he was subsequently found not guilty of the charge and therefore released. Surely such a powerful organisation that could pull off 7/7 would have conspired to find him guilty and get him jailed for a lengthy period of time.

A quick google confirms that John Anthony Hill is a nutter.

Quote:

A document on Muad Dib's website reveals he believes he is the Messiah and that George Lucas wrote Star Wars after being told telepathically what to write, by the very "Force" to which the films refer.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8124687.stm

OP is a typical CT spammer. Just post a YT video and that's it, no comment, no summary, no thought. Why should I watch 2 1/2 hours of crap just to comment on video that is obviously nonsense.

Her Grey Eminence · 13th August 2012, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by Sunstealer

A quick google confirms that John Anthony Hill is a nutter.

Err, so why are we putting him in jail again?

Look the average sentence for jury tampering is for people who are trying to influence trials which they have a personal interest in

According to wikipedia

Quote:

Hill was later arrested and was extradited to the United Kingdom on a charge of perverting the course of justice for sending DVDs of the film to the judge and jury foreman in a trial linked to the attacks, even though he had sent them in care of the court, and not directly to either judge or jury foreman. After spending 151 days on remand in Wandsworth prison, he was acquitted by a jury who were shown his film on 12 May 2011

5 months in prison but not guilty.

mercatormac · 13th August 2012, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by Sunstealer

I notice that you don't mention that he was subsequently found not guilty of the charge and therefore released. Surely such a powerful organisation that could pull off 7/7 would have conspired to find him guilty and get him jailed for a lengthy period of time.

I suspect such a powerful organisation wouldn't even bother with a trial. Just kidnap the guy, take him to Canary Wharf and then summarily execute him.

Originally Posted by Sunstealer

A quick google confirms that John Anthony Hill is a nutter.

Quote:

A document on Muad Dib's website reveals he believes he is the Messiah and that George Lucas wrote Star Wars after being told telepathically what to write, by the very "Force" to which the films refer.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8124687.stm

But it does explain why without that psychic assistance, the prequels are pants.

I have a question, how did JAH manage to find the address of the jury foreman?
Because if he just wrote to him via the court, he deserves to be imprisoned for unusual stupidity.

mercatormac · 13th August 2012, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence

Err, so why are we putting him in jail again?

Because he was accused of attempting to pervert the course of justice.

Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence

Look the average sentence for jury tampering is for people who are trying to influence trials which they have a personal interest in

So I can interfere in any trial that takes my fancy, as long as I don't have a personal interest in it? I don't think so.

Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence

According to wikipedia

5 months in prison but not guilty.

They were worried if he was out he might lead a fremen uprising. The spice must flow.

Seriously though, do you have any evidence that due-process was not followed in this case?

Her Grey Eminence · 13th August 2012, 02:59 AM

So if I sent a DVD to the tribunal at Guantanamo Bay saying that the WTC were struck by decoy planes that crossed the flight paths of the Boeings and took their identity, then America would send an extradition request to Australia demanding I be sent to Guantanamo?

Or would they only do it if I said I was Jesus Christ?

Sunstealer · 13th August 2012, 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence

5 months in prison but not guilty.

You obviously don't know anything about the British criminal justice system.

Do you know what "remand" (as in "remanded in custody" or "judge's remand") means? Try looking it up.

Can you link to where Britain is jailing this man again? He was released after due procedure and a fair trial.

mercatormac · 13th August 2012, 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence

So if I sent a DVD to the tribunal at Guantanamo Bay saying that the WTC were struck by decoy planes that crossed the flight paths of the Boeings and took their identity, then America would send an extradition request to Australia demanding I be sent to Guantanamo?

Or would they only do it if I said I was Jesus Christ?

Although I am not a lawyer, I would say no, because the tribunal isn't a jury. The tribunals are based on military law. And doesn't Guantanamo have weird sovereignty issues compared with the mainland US?

But even if they were to send an extradition request, Australia does not have to automatically give you up. You would get a hearing in Australia. I'm sure your lawyer would claim that you were about to face endless torture while wearing an orange jumpsuit and get the extradition claim quashed.

ANTPogo · 13th August 2012, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by marcus777

Muad'Dib's latest film about the July 7 2005 London bombings.

It was the Harkonnens that did it, right?

Dcdrac · 13th August 2012, 06:59 AM

What beats me about this is we know who did it is as clear cut as you can get they told us themselves, UK intellignece had been trackingthem for a while too but unfortunatly was not able to stop them

000063 · 13th August 2012, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by mercatormac

...
Seriously though, do you have any evidence that due-process was not followed in this case?

Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence

So if I sent a DVD to the tribunal at Guantanamo Bay saying that the WTC were struck by decoy planes that crossed the flight paths of the Boeings and took their identity, then America would send an extradition request to Australia demanding I be sent to Guantanamo?

Or would they only do it if I said I was Jesus Christ?

Interesting answer.

SpitfireIX · 13th August 2012, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence

Err, so why are we putting him in jail again?

Look the average sentence for jury tampering is for people who are trying to influence trials which they have a personal interest in

According to wikipedia

5 months in prison but not guilty.

He did have a personal interest. Had the defendants been acquitted it would have lent credibility to his pet conspiracy theories.

dudalb · 13th August 2012, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Sunstealer

You obviously don't know anything about the British criminal justice system.

Do you know what "remand" (as in "remanded in custody" or "judge's remand") means? Try looking it up.

Can you link to where Britain is jailing this man again? He was released after due procedure and a fair trial.

Actually "remand" has the same meaning in the American Criminal Justice system.

Sunstealer · 13th August 2012, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Actually "remand" has the same meaning in the American Criminal Justice system.

I'm sure it does. In fact I'm sure the concept is universal, however, the OP seems to lack any concept of remand irrespective of whether the OP is Ugandan, American or Australian.

We've no idea of his or her nationality.

Her Grey Eminence · 13th August 2012, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by marcus777

So I guess everything in the video has already been debunked?

The claim that bombers didn't actually carry the explosives seems unlikely. A better explanation might be they were mules.

For example, the only reason the double decker bus blew up is one of the bombers misread the train timetable and missed the train that was supposed to take him to the southern line.
Whether the blame is endemic lateness in the London Underground or the poor state of London education, either way I am sure Boris will sort it out.

It was necessary for the southern line train to be caught in order to complete the underground crucifix - as demanded by the most ancient and excellent cult of Egypt. Its difficult to see how explosives could have been pre-planted on the correct bus - and no reason to see why it would be done.

Still, a brave effort Senor Mouse

12th August 2012, 07:52 AM	#2
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12th August 2012, 08:45 AM	#6
drewid Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,089	Quoting UberCT James Fetzer really won't help anyone take this seriously.
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uke2se Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,229	"Hit piece" in conspiranese apparently means "factual documentary making a mockery of our nutty beliefs".
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12th August 2012, 08:06 AM	#3
uvar Thinker Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Under Down Under Posts: 145	marcus777, do you agree or disagree with the conclusions the video makes?

12th August 2012, 08:13 AM	#4
Tricky Briefly immortal Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Group W bench Posts: 42,405	Originally Posted by marcus777 site won't let me post the video due to post count. You can post it without the "at-sign" (Substitute a different character) and people can fill it in when they paste it to their browser. The post limit on allowing links is designed to discourage drive-by spammers.

12th August 2012, 09:11 AM	#9
Straw Man Flammable Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: In your argument Posts: 8,188	I'm waiting to hear what the OP has to say.

12th August 2012, 10:23 AM	#12
marcus777 Student Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 45	So I guess everything in the video has already been debunked?
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12th August 2012, 10:47 AM	#13
uke2se Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,229	Originally Posted by marcus777 So I guess everything in the video has already been debunked? Quite possibly. I don't think any of us feel like waching two and a half hours of cospirawank drivel just to check, though. If you feel like discussing it, you could present us with individual claims from the video.
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12th August 2012, 06:50 PM	#14
ComfySlippers Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: UK Posts: 1,122	Originally Posted by marcus777 ...Muad'Dib's latest film about the July 7 2005 London bombings. Quote: After being unlawfully jailed for 157 days based on trumped-up charges, and the BBC making a dedicated hit-piece on the original 7/7 Ripple Effect... Quote: - James H. Fetzer, professor emeritus at the University of Minnesota ...
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Lisa Simpson THE Lisa Simpson Administrator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 123 Fake Street Posts: 20,111	What were the trumped up charges, out of curiosity?
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12th August 2012, 07:54 PM	#17
Robrob Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,660	Originally Posted by marcus777 So I guess everything in the video has already been debunked? CT 101: Post videos and demand everyone else do your homework for you.
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12th August 2012, 07:57 PM	#18
mercatormac Scholar Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 119	Originally Posted by Lisa Simpson What were the trumped up charges, out of curiosity? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8124687.stm John Hill was arrested and extradited to the UK on a charge of perverting the course of justice for sending DVDs of 7/7 Ripple Effect to the judge and jury foreman in a trial linked to the attacks.
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12th August 2012, 08:26 PM	#19
Lisa Simpson THE Lisa Simpson Administrator Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 123 Fake Street Posts: 20,111	Originally Posted by mercatormac http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8124687.stm John Hill was arrested and extradited to the UK on a charge of perverting the course of justice for sending DVDs of 7/7 Ripple Effect to the judge and jury foreman in a trial linked to the attacks. Thanks. Doesn't seem trumped up to me.
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Her Grey Eminence Banned Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 142	Quote: A document on Muad Dib's website reveals he believes he is the Messiah and that George Lucas wrote Star Wars after being told telepathically what to write, by the very "Force" to which the films refer. Is it just me or is there something chilling about extradition law being used to track down and imprison mentally ill people in different countries for fairly minor breaches of internal judicial proecdures? How would you feel if Saudi Arabia extradited people who contacted internal dissidents from Dubai? Or Russia extradited people who wrote to the court about Pussy Riot?
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12th August 2012, 11:30 PM	#21
mercatormac Scholar Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 119	Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence Is it just me or is there something chilling about extradition law being used to track down and imprison mentally ill people in different countries for fairly minor breaches of internal judicial proecdures? I thought the guy was a U.K. citizen who just happened to be living in Ireland. And in my opinion trying to tamper with a jury should actually be considered a rather serious crime. Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence How would you feel if Saudi Arabia extradited people who contacted internal dissidents from Dubai? Or Russia extradited people who wrote to the court about Pussy Riot? Do either of these countries have extradition agreements with the U.K?
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13th August 2012, 01:25 AM	#24
Sam.I.Am Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hunting Moose and Squirrel Posts: 4,164	Fetzer? Here's a hint, if that guy likes something then I feel safe in saying that the odds are very good that there are very few (if any) actual facts being used in the proper context in the film. As far as the jury tampering goes that's not a trumped up charge. There's a reason why jurors are first vetted for preconceived biases and then only given the pertinent facts that can be proven (or dis-proven in the case of the defense) and not insane internet hogwash. The defense has every right to present the theories if they so desire but the fact that they didn't go that route should tell you all that you need to know about the veracity of the information that is in the film.
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13th August 2012, 01:27 AM	#25
Sunstealer Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,612	In the UK Perverting the Cause of Justice carries a maximum penalty of life imprisonment. However, the average sentence is 10 months. You obviously have zero clue about how extradition works or why it's necessary to hold someone on remand whilst awaiting trial. He would have been a flight risk and that's enough for a magistrates court to order him to be held on remand. I notice that you don't mention that he was subsequently found not guilty of the charge and therefore released. Surely such a powerful organisation that could pull off 7/7 would have conspired to find him guilty and get him jailed for a lengthy period of time. A quick google confirms that John Anthony Hill is a nutter. Quote: A document on Muad Dib's website reveals he believes he is the Messiah and that George Lucas wrote Star Wars after being told telepathically what to write, by the very "Force" to which the films refer. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8124687.stm OP is a typical CT spammer. Just post a YT video and that's it, no comment, no summary, no thought. Why should I watch 2 1/2 hours of crap just to comment on video that is obviously nonsense.
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13th August 2012, 02:19 AM	#26
Her Grey Eminence Banned Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 142	Originally Posted by Sunstealer A quick google confirms that John Anthony Hill is a nutter. Err, so why are we putting him in jail again? Look the average sentence for jury tampering is for people who are trying to influence trials which they have a personal interest in According to wikipedia Quote: Hill was later arrested and was extradited to the United Kingdom on a charge of perverting the course of justice for sending DVDs of the film to the judge and jury foreman in a trial linked to the attacks, even though he had sent them in care of the court, and not directly to either judge or jury foreman. After spending 151 days on remand in Wandsworth prison, he was acquitted by a jury who were shown his film on 12 May 2011 5 months in prison but not guilty.
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13th August 2012, 02:27 AM	#27
mercatormac Scholar Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 119	Originally Posted by Sunstealer I notice that you don't mention that he was subsequently found not guilty of the charge and therefore released. Surely such a powerful organisation that could pull off 7/7 would have conspired to find him guilty and get him jailed for a lengthy period of time. I suspect such a powerful organisation wouldn't even bother with a trial. Just kidnap the guy, take him to Canary Wharf and then summarily execute him. Originally Posted by Sunstealer A quick google confirms that John Anthony Hill is a nutter. Quote: A document on Muad Dib's website reveals he believes he is the Messiah and that George Lucas wrote Star Wars after being told telepathically what to write, by the very "Force" to which the films refer. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8124687.stm But it does explain why without that psychic assistance, the prequels are pants. I have a question, how did JAH manage to find the address of the jury foreman? Because if he just wrote to him via the court, he deserves to be imprisoned for unusual stupidity.
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13th August 2012, 02:49 AM	#28
mercatormac Scholar Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 119	Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence Err, so why are we putting him in jail again? Because he was accused of attempting to pervert the course of justice. Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence Look the average sentence for jury tampering is for people who are trying to influence trials which they have a personal interest in So I can interfere in any trial that takes my fancy, as long as I don't have a personal interest in it? I don't think so. Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence According to wikipedia 5 months in prison but not guilty. They were worried if he was out he might lead a fremen uprising. The spice must flow. Seriously though, do you have any evidence that due-process was not followed in this case?
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13th August 2012, 02:59 AM	#29
Her Grey Eminence Banned Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 142	So if I sent a DVD to the tribunal at Guantanamo Bay saying that the WTC were struck by decoy planes that crossed the flight paths of the Boeings and took their identity, then America would send an extradition request to Australia demanding I be sent to Guantanamo? Or would they only do it if I said I was Jesus Christ?
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13th August 2012, 03:06 AM	#30
Sunstealer Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,612	Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence 5 months in prison but not guilty. You obviously don't know anything about the British criminal justice system. Do you know what "remand" (as in "remanded in custody" or "judge's remand") means? Try looking it up. Can you link to where Britain is jailing this man again? He was released after due procedure and a fair trial.
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13th August 2012, 03:10 AM	#31
mercatormac Scholar Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 119	Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence So if I sent a DVD to the tribunal at Guantanamo Bay saying that the WTC were struck by decoy planes that crossed the flight paths of the Boeings and took their identity, then America would send an extradition request to Australia demanding I be sent to Guantanamo? Or would they only do it if I said I was Jesus Christ? Although I am not a lawyer, I would say no, because the tribunal isn't a jury. The tribunals are based on military law. And doesn't Guantanamo have weird sovereignty issues compared with the mainland US? But even if they were to send an extradition request, Australia does not have to automatically give you up. You would get a hearing in Australia. I'm sure your lawyer would claim that you were about to face endless torture while wearing an orange jumpsuit and get the extradition claim quashed.
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13th August 2012, 06:05 AM	#32
ANTPogo Unique Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 9,607	Originally Posted by marcus777 Muad'Dib's latest film about the July 7 2005 London bombings. It was the Harkonnens that did it, right?
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Dcdrac Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,896	What beats me about this is we know who did it is as clear cut as you can get they told us themselves, UK intellignece had been trackingthem for a while too but unfortunatly was not able to stop them
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13th August 2012, 07:59 AM	#34
000063 Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Not America. Posts: 4,739	Originally Posted by mercatormac ... Seriously though, do you have any evidence that due-process was not followed in this case? Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence So if I sent a DVD to the tribunal at Guantanamo Bay saying that the WTC were struck by decoy planes that crossed the flight paths of the Boeings and took their identity, then America would send an extradition request to Australia demanding I be sent to Guantanamo? Or would they only do it if I said I was Jesus Christ? Interesting answer.
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13th August 2012, 09:48 AM	#35
SpitfireIX Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana, USA Posts: 2,832	Originally Posted by Her Grey Eminence Err, so why are we putting him in jail again? Look the average sentence for jury tampering is for people who are trying to influence trials which they have a personal interest in According to wikipedia 5 months in prison but not guilty. He did have a personal interest. Had the defendants been acquitted it would have lent credibility to his pet conspiracy theories.
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13th August 2012, 11:55 AM	#36
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 23,023	Originally Posted by Sunstealer You obviously don't know anything about the British criminal justice system. Do you know what "remand" (as in "remanded in custody" or "judge's remand") means? Try looking it up. Can you link to where Britain is jailing this man again? He was released after due procedure and a fair trial. Actually "remand" has the same meaning in the American Criminal Justice system.

13th August 2012, 03:35 PM	#37
Sunstealer Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,612	Originally Posted by dudalb Actually "remand" has the same meaning in the American Criminal Justice system. I'm sure it does. In fact I'm sure the concept is universal, however, the OP seems to lack any concept of remand irrespective of whether the OP is Ugandan, American or Australian. We've no idea of his or her nationality.
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13th August 2012, 05:28 PM	#38
Her Grey Eminence Banned Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 142	Originally Posted by marcus777 So I guess everything in the video has already been debunked? The claim that bombers didn't actually carry the explosives seems unlikely. A better explanation might be they were mules. For example, the only reason the double decker bus blew up is one of the bombers misread the train timetable and missed the train that was supposed to take him to the southern line. Whether the blame is endemic lateness in the London Underground or the poor state of London education, either way I am sure Boris will sort it out. It was necessary for the southern line train to be caught in order to complete the underground crucifix - as demanded by the most ancient and excellent cult of Egypt. Its difficult to see how explosives could have been pre-planted on the correct bus - and no reason to see why it would be done. Still, a brave effort Senor Mouse
Her Grey Eminence Banned Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 142