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Modified · 13th August 2012, 06:10 AM

I started using Chrome when it first came out because I needed the JavaScript speed to view Google maps pages with hundreds of thousands of markers. At the time, no other browser was functional with those pages.

Now, I use Chrome for anything that I leave up and that requires plug-ins, and I use Firefox with all plugins disabled for the rest, and for normal browsing. I like Firefox but I got tired of killing the plugin container process every time it locked up, which was several times per day at least.

Sam.I.Am · 13th August 2012, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by Hazel

It sounds as if you'd choose Firefox.

I have IE 8 (cannot have IE 9) and Firefox. However, there is the monthly update to Windows and my Microsoft Essentials virus program. I think those accompany IE. Will choosing Firefox affect those two?

You can set Firefox (or any other browser for that matter) as your default with no appreciable difference. Microsofts website for updates will ignore that anyway and launch Internet Explorer (it needs it for verifying that you have a good copy of Windows installed). The biggest thing to keep in mind is that Internet Explorer has had some nonstandard stuff added in the past that a few web sites still use but that the other browsers just can't do because, well, it's nonstandard and not in compliance with the internationally agreed upon format. That's just Microsoft doing what Microsoft does though and it shouldn't be a problem 99.9% of the time.

Hazel · 14th August 2012, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am

You can set Firefox (or any other browser for that matter) as your default with no appreciable difference. Microsofts website for updates will ignore that anyway and launch Internet Explorer (it needs it for verifying that you have a good copy of Windows installed). The biggest thing to keep in mind is that Internet Explorer has had some nonstandard stuff added in the past that a few web sites still use but that the other browsers just can't do because, well, it's nonstandard and not in compliance with the internationally agreed upon format. That's just Microsoft doing what Microsoft does though and it shouldn't be a problem 99.9% of the time.

Thanks for help.

Beerina · 18th August 2012, 06:45 AM

If Linux wants to catch normal users, I want a single-button download and install that leaves me with a dual boot and boots me to a normal, modern, windowing desktop.

Major problem number 1, unlike Chrome, or Microsoft, or Apple, one has no idea where to go. And if one does, there are harsh descriptions and funny looking links.

If that all scares the hell out of me, a programmer with 20+ years of experience, what will gramma think?

zooterkin · 18th August 2012, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by Beerina

If Linux wants to catch normal users, I want a single-button download and install that leaves me with a dual boot and boots me to a normal, modern, windowing desktop.

Major problem number 1, unlike Chrome, or Microsoft, or Apple, one has no idea where to go. And if one does, there are harsh descriptions and funny looking links.

If that all scares the hell out of me, a programmer with 20+ years of experience, what will gramma think?

Totally agree.

Rrose Selavy · 18th August 2012, 10:48 AM

Out of curiosity , I tried one of the "flavors" of Linux from a Boot disk a year or so ago..
It kicked in by default in with voice narration of every command and key stroke (totally unnecessary)
but no way would I have drivers for my Broadband Router so no internet (totally necessary)

I hated it.
I'm pretty techy at but IMO that's why Linux will never be mainstream as a home OS.

Sam.I.Am · 18th August 2012, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Beerina

If Linux wants to catch normal users, I want a single-button download and install that leaves me with a dual boot and boots me to a normal, modern, windowing desktop.

Major problem number 1, unlike Chrome, or Microsoft, or Apple, one has no idea where to go. And if one does, there are harsh descriptions and funny looking links.

If that all scares the hell out of me, a programmer with 20+ years of experience, what will gramma think?

Wubi. An Ubuntu flavor that does what you want. It doesn't install to its own partition but into the Windows Partition instead and runs off of a virtual drive to comply with the Linux HD partition specs. It will make a boot menu as well. One click and about 20 minutes later its ready to go and because it's installed the way it is if the user doesn't like it they can simply go to the control panel in Windows and uninstall it just like any other type of software.

Alan · 18th August 2012, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy

Out of curiosity , I tried one of the "flavors" of Linux from a Boot disk a year or so ago..
It kicked in by default in with voice narration of every command and key stroke (totally unnecessary)
but no way would I have drivers for my Broadband Router so no internet (totally necessary)

I hated it.
I'm pretty techy at but IMO that's why Linux will never be mainstream as a home OS.

Which one did you try? It sounds like you tried a 'strange' one. Perhaps Trisquel?

Sam.I.Am · 18th August 2012, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy

Out of curiosity , I tried one of the "flavors" of Linux from a Boot disk a year or so ago.. It kicked in by default in with voice narration of every command and key stroke (totally unnecessary) but no way would I have drivers for my Broadband Router so no internet (totally necessary)

I hated it.
I'm pretty techy at but IMO that's why Linux will never be mainstream as a home OS.

Wait... Your router needs a windows\mac driver to work? I can see a wireless dongle or PC card in a computer needing one (however most of them have Linux drivers available) but a router? As far as I know as long as your network card is working (which all flavors of Linux have support for even if it's just a generic driver) then you should be able to plug into any router out there and get on the internet. If your talking about configuring it the stuff that comes included with a router is there to make it a little easier to get started but you certainly don't need it.

192.168.1.1 should always get you into your routers logon screen unless you changed it manually.

RayG · 18th August 2012, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am

Wubi. An Ubuntu flavor that does what you want.

Hey, thanks.

I'm running Ubuntu on my laptop, but it doesn't have a wireless connection, so I don't use it for the internet. I had heard Wubi mentioned before but hadn't looked closely enough at it to realize what it was.

I'm posting this from my new desktop installation courtesy of Wubi.

RayG

Sam.I.Am · 18th August 2012, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by RayG

Hey, thanks.

I'm running Ubuntu on my laptop, but it doesn't have a wireless connection, so I don't use it for the internet. I had heard Wubi mentioned before but hadn't looked closely enough at it to realize what it was.

I'm posting this from my new desktop installation courtesy of Wubi.

RayG

No problem. I hope it was as easy for you as it has been for me. I like it because it's an easy way to get people to play around with Linux with very little risk of harming their Windows install due to partitioning. I think that it's a great way to get "Grandmas" to see it first hand and find out that while it's different from Windows it's not all that different once you get used to some things being in new locations.

Plus it's free and easy to uninstall so no harm no foul if it's not right for you.

Rrose Selavy · 19th August 2012, 04:17 AM

Originally Posted by Alan

Which one did you try? It sounds like you tried a 'strange' one. Perhaps Trisquel?

It was a Disk bootable "try out" version of Knoppix i downloaded and burnt to CD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoppix

I didn't want to bother with dual boot or whatever just to try it out.
Maybe a full HD install flavor version might have been a better experience.
I think I was hoping to get acquainted with it for its possible use as way of accessing a PC where Windows had failed as well as just curius as to how it behaved.

Quote:

Knoppix can be used to copy files easily from hard drives with inaccessible operating systems. To quickly and more safely use Linux software, the Live CD can be used instead of installing another OS.

Sam.I.Am · 19th August 2012, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy

It was a Disk bootable "try out" version of Knoppix i downloaded and burnt to CD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoppix

I didn't want to bother with dual boot or whatever just to try it out.
Maybe a full HD install flavor version might have been a better experience.
I think I was hoping to get acquainted with it for its possible use as way of accessing a PC where Windows had failed as well as just curius as to how it behaved.

Linux uses so different of a native file system compared to Windows that you pretty much have to have a dual boot to use it with any reliability. Aside from that Knoppix is a nice idea that had some issues with certain hardware configurations. My first try with a live Knoppix CD was less than satisfactory as well. Try the Wubi link that I gave above (or just google wubi). It's quick and easy to install (and uninstall if you don't like it).

Alan · 19th August 2012, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy

It was a Disk bootable "try out" version of Knoppix i downloaded and burnt to CD

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoppix

I didn't want to bother with dual boot or whatever just to try it out.
Maybe a full HD install flavor version might have been a better experience.
I think I was hoping to get acquainted with it for its possible use as way of accessing a PC where Windows had failed as well as just curius as to how it behaved.

Ah. I know about Knoppix but I've never used it. I think it's one of the stranger ones, by which I mean one of the ones not for a general audience. Linux Mint and Ubuntu are probably the best versions to go to for a favourable first impression.

You could create an Ubuntu or Linux Mint live CD to use next time you want to try it for the recovery purpose you mentioned or if you become curious again.

rocketdodger · 19th August 2012, 09:35 AM

In my experience chrome has the best implementation of javascript, and if you are a developer or even a tinkerer the ability to just ctrl + shift + j ( try it, right now ! ) is amazing.

Darat · 19th August 2012, 09:40 AM

Think you meant ctrl + shift + i

(try it in Opera).

rjh01 · 19th August 2012, 02:10 PM

There is a picture missing.
http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/...11progress.gif

Darat · 19th August 2012, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by rjh01

There is a picture missing.
http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/...11progress.gif

Saw that yesterday - a smidgeon of irony you mentioning it, it's a missing image from the tag system. Our custom style was created before the tag feature was added, I've updated the styles' images so that should be fixed.

erlando · 20th August 2012, 12:30 AM

As a web developer I used Firefox extensively for a very long period. Chrome now owns that role on all my devices; Macs, PCs, Androids and iPads.

It's about the closest thing you get to a standards compliant browser with Firefox a close second. Firefox loses on speed though.

(ETA: Chrome on iPad is *really* Safari in disguise. But I am becoming addicted to the shared tabs and bookmarks, so...)

Dancing David · 20th August 2012, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by Alan

Which one did you try? It sounds like you tried a 'strange' one. Perhaps Trisquel?

It sounds like the Adriane version of Knoppix.

Alan · 20th August 2012, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by Dancing David

It sounds like the Adriane version of Knoppix.

Oh, nice! I didn't know ADRIANE existed before now. The Audio Desktop Reference Implementation and Networking Environment.

http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-adriane/index-en.html

Originally Posted by above website

ABSTRACT

ADRIANE is an easy-to-use, talking desktop system with optional support for braille, which can be used entirely without vision oriented output devices. Especially access to standard internet services like email, surfing the web, scanning and reading of printed documents and using mobile phone extension services like SMS (over the users own mobile phone) are supported.

TARGET AUDIENCE

Especially blind people, who have no or very few computer skills, and/or have had bad encounters with graphic-focused computer interfaces, may experience an easy entry to the digital world. But also people with normal vision, who prefer a less complicated step-by-step menu, instead of an icon/animation-overloaded and over-complex graphical desktop, may profit from ADRIANE.

Excellent.

leonAzul · 20th August 2012, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy

I'm pretty techy at but IMO that's why Linux will never be mainstream as a home OS.

That was never intended to be its primary goal. From its conception it was designed to be a test platform for operating system design concepts. This is why it is so widely used for specialized applications from digital cameras to automobile ignition systems and embedded servers such as WiFi access points.

Back on topic, I have come to prefer Chrome, now that its security features are better understood by the developer community and some really useful extensions are available. Too many things have gotten broken just when I figure them out with Firefox since version 5 or so for me to want to spend much time messing with it anymore. I'm tired of being frustrated in my attempts to run local scripts that automate repetitive tasks "for my own protection." In contrast, I have found Chrome's feature list to be conservatively expanded and, so far, not at the expense of existing features. And, it plays nice with AppleScript.

As always, YMMV.

000063 · 20th August 2012, 01:15 PM

Chrome is useful when I need an alternative, but when you need to a have an extension to add features that are built in on literally every single other modern browser, such as viewing an Image's Info, something's wrong.

Still, Firefox tends to be kind of tetchy, and I do like that Chrome can task one tab without the whole browser. Still, the fact that the boss key (Alt+something) isn't documented has led me to accidentally hide my window several times.

erlando · 20th August 2012, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by 000063

Chrome is useful when I need an alternative, but when you need to a have an extension to add features that are built in on literally every single other modern browser, such as viewing an Image's Info, something's wrong.

Chrome is specifically designed to be lean and focused on using the web. Of course - even luckily - it lacks such fringe features. And for users who absolutely positively HAVE to have this or that feature the browser is extensible.

rjh01 · 20th August 2012, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by 000063

Chrome is useful when I need an alternative, but when you need to a have an extension to add features that are built in on literally every single other modern browser, such as viewing an Image's Info, something's wrong.

Still, Firefox tends to be kind of tetchy, and I do like that Chrome can task one tab without the whole browser. Still, the fact that the boss key (Alt+something) isn't documented has led me to accidentally hide my window several times.

This is a good reason for having Chrome as your main browser and then using something else as a browser when Chrome does not work as you want it.

Smackety · 20th August 2012, 10:13 PM

I tried Chrome when it came out and it crashed - a lot! It is probably better now, but Firefox is perfect, so I have no reason so think about changing.

13th August 2012, 03:31 PM	#42
Sam.I.Am Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hunting Moose and Squirrel Posts: 4,154	Originally Posted by Hazel It sounds as if you'd choose Firefox. I have IE 8 (cannot have IE 9) and Firefox. However, there is the monthly update to Windows and my Microsoft Essentials virus program. I think those accompany IE. Will choosing Firefox affect those two? You can set Firefox (or any other browser for that matter) as your default with no appreciable difference. Microsofts website for updates will ignore that anyway and launch Internet Explorer (it needs it for verifying that you have a good copy of Windows installed). The biggest thing to keep in mind is that Internet Explorer has had some nonstandard stuff added in the past that a few web sites still use but that the other browsers just can't do because, well, it's nonstandard and not in compliance with the internationally agreed upon format. That's just Microsoft doing what Microsoft does though and it shouldn't be a problem 99.9% of the time.
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14th August 2012, 11:25 AM	#43
Hazel Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Just outside of St. Louis also Posts: 1,229	Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am You can set Firefox (or any other browser for that matter) as your default with no appreciable difference. Microsofts website for updates will ignore that anyway and launch Internet Explorer (it needs it for verifying that you have a good copy of Windows installed). The biggest thing to keep in mind is that Internet Explorer has had some nonstandard stuff added in the past that a few web sites still use but that the other browsers just can't do because, well, it's nonstandard and not in compliance with the internationally agreed upon format. That's just Microsoft doing what Microsoft does though and it shouldn't be a problem 99.9% of the time. Thanks for help.
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18th August 2012, 06:45 AM	#44
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18th August 2012, 06:58 AM	#45
zooterkin Nitpicking dilettante Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berkshire, mostly Posts: 24,585	Originally Posted by Beerina If Linux wants to catch normal users, I want a single-button download and install that leaves me with a dual boot and boots me to a normal, modern, windowing desktop. Major problem number 1, unlike Chrome, or Microsoft, or Apple, one has no idea where to go. And if one does, there are harsh descriptions and funny looking links. If that all scares the hell out of me, a programmer with 20+ years of experience, what will gramma think? Totally agree.
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18th August 2012, 12:56 PM	#47
Sam.I.Am Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hunting Moose and Squirrel Posts: 4,154	Originally Posted by Beerina If Linux wants to catch normal users, I want a single-button download and install that leaves me with a dual boot and boots me to a normal, modern, windowing desktop. Major problem number 1, unlike Chrome, or Microsoft, or Apple, one has no idea where to go. And if one does, there are harsh descriptions and funny looking links. If that all scares the hell out of me, a programmer with 20+ years of experience, what will gramma think? Wubi. An Ubuntu flavor that does what you want. It doesn't install to its own partition but into the Windows Partition instead and runs off of a virtual drive to comply with the Linux HD partition specs. It will make a boot menu as well. One click and about 20 minutes later its ready to go and because it's installed the way it is if the user doesn't like it they can simply go to the control panel in Windows and uninstall it just like any other type of software.
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13th August 2012, 06:10 AM	#41
Modified Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: SW Florida Posts: 4,062	I started using Chrome when it first came out because I needed the JavaScript speed to view Google maps pages with hundreds of thousands of markers. At the time, no other browser was functional with those pages. Now, I use Chrome for anything that I leave up and that requires plug-ins, and I use Firefox with all plugins disabled for the rest, and for normal browsing. I like Firefox but I got tired of killing the plugin container process every time it locked up, which was several times per day at least.

18th August 2012, 10:48 AM	#46
Rrose Selavy Stranded in Sub-Atomica Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 2,924	Out of curiosity , I tried one of the "flavors" of Linux from a Boot disk a year or so ago.. It kicked in by default in with voice narration of every command and key stroke (totally unnecessary) but no way would I have drivers for my Broadband Router so no internet (totally necessary) I hated it. I'm pretty techy at but IMO that's why Linux will never be mainstream as a home OS.

18th August 2012, 06:02 PM	#48
Alan Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,652	Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy Out of curiosity , I tried one of the "flavors" of Linux from a Boot disk a year or so ago.. It kicked in by default in with voice narration of every command and key stroke (totally unnecessary) but no way would I have drivers for my Broadband Router so no internet (totally necessary) I hated it. I'm pretty techy at but IMO that's why Linux will never be mainstream as a home OS. Which one did you try? It sounds like you tried a 'strange' one. Perhaps Trisquel?

18th August 2012, 06:27 PM	#49
Sam.I.Am Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hunting Moose and Squirrel Posts: 4,154	Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy Out of curiosity , I tried one of the "flavors" of Linux from a Boot disk a year or so ago.. It kicked in by default in with voice narration of every command and key stroke (totally unnecessary) but no way would I have drivers for my Broadband Router so no internet (totally necessary) I hated it. I'm pretty techy at but IMO that's why Linux will never be mainstream as a home OS. Wait... Your router needs a windows\mac driver to work? I can see a wireless dongle or PC card in a computer needing one (however most of them have Linux drivers available) but a router? As far as I know as long as your network card is working (which all flavors of Linux have support for even if it's just a generic driver) then you should be able to plug into any router out there and get on the internet. If your talking about configuring it the stuff that comes included with a router is there to make it a little easier to get started but you certainly don't need it. 192.168.1.1 should always get you into your routers logon screen unless you changed it manually.
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18th August 2012, 08:43 PM	#50
RayG Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Somewhere in Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,326	Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am Wubi. An Ubuntu flavor that does what you want. Hey, thanks. I'm running Ubuntu on my laptop, but it doesn't have a wireless connection, so I don't use it for the internet. I had heard Wubi mentioned before but hadn't looked closely enough at it to realize what it was. I'm posting this from my new desktop installation courtesy of Wubi. RayG
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18th August 2012, 10:24 PM	#51
Sam.I.Am Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hunting Moose and Squirrel Posts: 4,154	Originally Posted by RayG Hey, thanks. I'm running Ubuntu on my laptop, but it doesn't have a wireless connection, so I don't use it for the internet. I had heard Wubi mentioned before but hadn't looked closely enough at it to realize what it was. I'm posting this from my new desktop installation courtesy of Wubi. RayG No problem. I hope it was as easy for you as it has been for me. I like it because it's an easy way to get people to play around with Linux with very little risk of harming their Windows install due to partitioning. I think that it's a great way to get "Grandmas" to see it first hand and find out that while it's different from Windows it's not all that different once you get used to some things being in new locations. Plus it's free and easy to uninstall so no harm no foul if it's not right for you.
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19th August 2012, 04:17 AM	#52
Rrose Selavy Stranded in Sub-Atomica Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: UK Posts: 2,924	Originally Posted by Alan Which one did you try? It sounds like you tried a 'strange' one. Perhaps Trisquel? It was a Disk bootable "try out" version of Knoppix i downloaded and burnt to CD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoppix I didn't want to bother with dual boot or whatever just to try it out. Maybe a full HD install flavor version might have been a better experience. I think I was hoping to get acquainted with it for its possible use as way of accessing a PC where Windows had failed as well as just curius as to how it behaved. Quote: Knoppix can be used to copy files easily from hard drives with inaccessible operating systems. To quickly and more safely use Linux software, the Live CD can be used instead of installing another OS.
	Last edited by Rrose Selavy; 19th August 2012 at 04:27 AM.

19th August 2012, 05:35 AM	#53
Sam.I.Am Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hunting Moose and Squirrel Posts: 4,154	Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy It was a Disk bootable "try out" version of Knoppix i downloaded and burnt to CD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoppix I didn't want to bother with dual boot or whatever just to try it out. Maybe a full HD install flavor version might have been a better experience. I think I was hoping to get acquainted with it for its possible use as way of accessing a PC where Windows had failed as well as just curius as to how it behaved. Linux uses so different of a native file system compared to Windows that you pretty much have to have a dual boot to use it with any reliability. Aside from that Knoppix is a nice idea that had some issues with certain hardware configurations. My first try with a live Knoppix CD was less than satisfactory as well. Try the Wubi link that I gave above (or just google wubi). It's quick and easy to install (and uninstall if you don't like it).
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19th August 2012, 06:00 AM	#54
Alan Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,652	Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy It was a Disk bootable "try out" version of Knoppix i downloaded and burnt to CD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoppix I didn't want to bother with dual boot or whatever just to try it out. Maybe a full HD install flavor version might have been a better experience. I think I was hoping to get acquainted with it for its possible use as way of accessing a PC where Windows had failed as well as just curius as to how it behaved. Ah. I know about Knoppix but I've never used it. I think it's one of the stranger ones, by which I mean one of the ones not for a general audience. Linux Mint and Ubuntu are probably the best versions to go to for a favourable first impression. You could create an Ubuntu or Linux Mint live CD to use next time you want to try it for the recovery purpose you mentioned or if you become curious again.

19th August 2012, 09:35 AM	#55
rocketdodger Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Hyperion Posts: 6,669	In my experience chrome has the best implementation of javascript, and if you are a developer or even a tinkerer the ability to just ctrl + shift + j ( try it, right now ! ) is amazing.

19th August 2012, 09:40 AM	#56
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,782	Think you meant ctrl + shift + i (try it in Opera).
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19th August 2012, 02:10 PM	#57
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,187	There is a picture missing. http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/...11progress.gif
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19th August 2012, 11:50 PM	#58
Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,782	Originally Posted by rjh01 There is a picture missing. http://forums.randi.org/helloworld2/...11progress.gif Saw that yesterday - a smidgeon of irony you mentioning it, it's a missing image from the tag system. Our custom style was created before the tag feature was added, I've updated the styles' images so that should be fixed.
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20th August 2012, 12:30 AM	#59
erlando Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Denmark Posts: 1,007	As a web developer I used Firefox extensively for a very long period. Chrome now owns that role on all my devices; Macs, PCs, Androids and iPads. It's about the closest thing you get to a standards compliant browser with Firefox a close second. Firefox loses on speed though. (ETA: Chrome on iPad is really Safari in disguise. But I am becoming addicted to the shared tabs and bookmarks, so...)
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20th August 2012, 04:37 AM	#60
Dancing David Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Central Illinois Posts: 34,711	Originally Posted by Alan Which one did you try? It sounds like you tried a 'strange' one. Perhaps Trisquel? It sounds like the Adriane version of Knoppix.
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20th August 2012, 05:43 AM	#61
Alan Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,652	Originally Posted by Dancing David It sounds like the Adriane version of Knoppix. Oh, nice! I didn't know ADRIANE existed before now. The Audio Desktop Reference Implementation and Networking Environment. http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-adriane/index-en.html Originally Posted by above website ABSTRACT ADRIANE is an easy-to-use, talking desktop system with optional support for braille, which can be used entirely without vision oriented output devices. Especially access to standard internet services like email, surfing the web, scanning and reading of printed documents and using mobile phone extension services like SMS (over the users own mobile phone) are supported. TARGET AUDIENCE Especially blind people, who have no or very few computer skills, and/or have had bad encounters with graphic-focused computer interfaces, may experience an easy entry to the digital world. But also people with normal vision, who prefer a less complicated step-by-step menu, instead of an icon/animation-overloaded and over-complex graphical desktop, may profit from ADRIANE. Excellent.
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20th August 2012, 08:13 AM	#62
leonAzul Illuminator Join Date: May 2007 Location: Nowhere Land Posts: 3,734	Originally Posted by Rrose Selavy I'm pretty techy at but IMO that's why Linux will never be mainstream as a home OS. That was never intended to be its primary goal. From its conception it was designed to be a test platform for operating system design concepts. This is why it is so widely used for specialized applications from digital cameras to automobile ignition systems and embedded servers such as WiFi access points. Back on topic, I have come to prefer Chrome, now that its security features are better understood by the developer community and some really useful extensions are available. Too many things have gotten broken just when I figure them out with Firefox since version 5 or so for me to want to spend much time messing with it anymore. I'm tired of being frustrated in my attempts to run local scripts that automate repetitive tasks "for my own protection." In contrast, I have found Chrome's feature list to be conservatively expanded and, so far, not at the expense of existing features. And, it plays nice with AppleScript. As always, YMMV.
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20th August 2012, 01:15 PM	#63
000063 Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Not America. Posts: 4,735	Chrome is useful when I need an alternative, but when you need to a have an extension to add features that are built in on literally every single other modern browser, such as viewing an Image's Info, something's wrong. Still, Firefox tends to be kind of tetchy, and I do like that Chrome can task one tab without the whole browser. Still, the fact that the boss key (Alt+something) isn't documented has led me to accidentally hide my window several times.
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20th August 2012, 02:50 PM	#64
erlando Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Denmark Posts: 1,007	Originally Posted by 000063 Chrome is useful when I need an alternative, but when you need to a have an extension to add features that are built in on literally every single other modern browser, such as viewing an Image's Info, something's wrong. Chrome is specifically designed to be lean and focused on using the web. Of course - even luckily - it lacks such fringe features. And for users who absolutely positively HAVE to have this or that feature the browser is extensible.
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20th August 2012, 09:52 PM	#65
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,187	Originally Posted by 000063 Chrome is useful when I need an alternative, but when you need to a have an extension to add features that are built in on literally every single other modern browser, such as viewing an Image's Info, something's wrong. Still, Firefox tends to be kind of tetchy, and I do like that Chrome can task one tab without the whole browser. Still, the fact that the boss key (Alt+something) isn't documented has led me to accidentally hide my window several times. This is a good reason for having Chrome as your main browser and then using something else as a browser when Chrome does not work as you want it.
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20th August 2012, 10:13 PM	#66
Smackety Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,145	I tried Chrome when it came out and it crashed - a lot! It is probably better now, but Firefox is perfect, so I have no reason so think about changing.