The plans of God

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by edge

You will watch it. Why do you have to be this way? He never said anything about it. Take it from there. There is a whole flock of you guys in here. Magpies galore.

So it's the Heckle and Jeckle theme now. is there only place in your head for one idea at a time?

[edge]

Here's another translation of it which I find lacking and reaching, I like mine better as it fits in todays' world view much better.

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In modern English this could be translated as:

"If two men engage in homosexual sex while on a woman's bed, both have committed an abomination. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

This does not generally forbid homosexual behavior between two men. It only limits where the act can be done.

Also because back then it was a ritual committed in pagan temples.

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by edge

Also because back thenit was a ritual committed in pagan temples.

Nonsense. Kindly stop making it up as you go along. Are you seriously suggesting that homosexual acts only took place in pagan temples? And you wonder why we laugh at your posts.

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by edge

Here's another translation of it which I find lacking and reaching, I like mine better as it fits in todays' world view much better.

While on a woman's bed? So pagan temples always contained women's beds? You must be joking. Not enough laughing dogs for that one.

[edge]

Originally Posted by dafydd

Where does it say ''spiritual death''? The verse says that should be put to death. Do you agree with that? God wouldn't kill them, believers would have to do that. Who's Jeckle?

That's the way it is now, you will die and be judged and back then it also said judge not and you won't be judged.

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by edge

That's the way it is now, you will die and be judged and back then it also said judge not and you won't be judged.

Only in your Boy's Book Of Primitive Fairy Stories, not in reality.

[edge]

Originally Posted by dafydd

Nonsense. Kindly stop making it up as you go along. Are you seriously suggesting that homosexual acts only took place in pagan temples? And you wonder why we laugh at your posts.

That's the way it is now, (spiritual death and sickness) and back then it also said judge not and you won't be judged.
No that's not what I am saying but it is the reasoning for that law, as the Hebrew were conquering other lands where other practices were looked down on and to keep their blood lines pure with accordance to their laws and beliefs. Why do you think that is?

[edge]

Originally Posted by dafydd

Only in your Boy's Book Of Primitive Fairy Stories, not in reality.

If you are queer then that is your gamble, not mine, I could care less.

[edge]

Originally Posted by dafydd

Nonsense. Kindly stop making it up as you go along. Are you seriously suggesting that homosexual acts only took place in pagan temples? And you wonder why we laugh at your posts.

Don't play stupid for a laugh.

[squealpiggy]

Originally Posted by dafydd

Read this nonsense from a god botherers site

Who Created God?

If something comes into being, it must have been prompted by something else. A book has an author. Music has a music artist. A party has a party-thrower! All things that begin, that have a start, have a cause to their beginning.

Consider the universe. Scientists once held to the "steady-state" theory, that the universe has always existed without beginning.

Cosmological evidence now refers to the "Big bang" as the point in time that the universe came into being. Our space-time-matter-energy universe had a distinct and singular beginning.

Since it did not always exist, but came into existence (had a singular beginning), then some other reality must have caused or created it.1

Everything we observe in nature has a beginning. God however is in a different category, and must be so. God is different from all nature and humanity and everything that exists, in that he has always existed, independent from anything he created. God is not a dependent being, but self-sufficient, self-existent. And this is exactly how the Bible describes God, and how God has revealed himself to be. Why must God be this way?

Our universe cannot be explained any other way. It could not have created itself. It has not always existed. And it could not be created by something that itself is created. Why not?

It isn't coherent to argue that the universe was created by God, but God was in turn created by God to the second power, who was in turn created by God to the third power, and so on. As Aristotle cogently argued, there must be a reality that causes but is itself uncaused (or, a being that moves but is itself unmoved). Why? Because if there is an infinite regression of causes, then by definition the whole process could never begin.



Oh dear.

Ah, the "everything needs an explanation apart from the one thing that I insist doesn't" argument.

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by edge

Don't play stupid for a laugh.

Quote:

Also because back thenit was a ritual committed in pagan temples.

Quote:

In modern English this could be translated as:

"If two men engage in homosexual sex while on a woman's bed, both have committed an abomination. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

Are you playing stupid or are you really that stupid? How intelligent does one have to be in order to know that the bible is an old book of fairy tales?

[edge]

Originally Posted by dafydd

Are you playing stupid or are you really that stupid? How intelligent does one have to be in order to know that the bible is an old book of fairy tales?

You're the one in love with a fairies tail, hairy or not.

[tsig]

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

You don't have any prophecies about the London Olympics, do you?

Many gold metals will be won and there will be scandals and rumors of scandals it will rain on some days and some days not. There will be the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat but the cameras will be on the winners.

Hope this helps.

[AdMan]

Originally Posted by edge

You're the one in love with a fairies tail, hairy or not.

Have you given up on even attempting a coherent response?

[Akhenaten]

Originally Posted by tsig

Many gold metals will be won and there will be scandals and rumors of scandals it will rain on some days and some days not. There will be the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat but the cameras will be on the winners.

Hope this helps.

There's a huge career waiting for you in the Philippines. Can you do falling down and getting up again?

[Akhenaten]

Originally Posted by AdMan

Have you given up on even attempting a coherent response?

For this week, yes.

[Elizabeth I]

Originally Posted by edge

You will watch it. Why do you have to be this way? He never said anything about it. Take it from there. There is a whole flock of you guys in here. Magpies galore.

What in hell does this have to do with the post of mine that you quoted?

Originally Posted by edge

No that's not what I am saying but it is the reasoning for that law, as the Hebrew were conquering other lands where other practices were looked down on and to keep their blood lines pure with accordance to their laws and beliefs. Why do you think that is?

It's hard to see how homosexuality could "contaminate" any blood lines, since it is generally adjudged not to result in issue. In fact, that is one of the fundies' arguments against it.

Originally Posted by edge

If you are queer then that is your gamble, not mine, I could care less.

You do care some, then? If you could care less, there is at least some caring to subtract from.

Perhaps you meant, "I couldn't care less."

[tsig]

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

There's a huge career waiting for you in the Philippines. Can you do falling down and getting up again?

Well I've fell off a lot of bar stools and I generally make it back up.

[josh3623]

Originally Posted by Ladewig

OK. Let me ask a slightly different question.

Theism vs. Deism.

If one were in a universe where God interacted with all the peoples of Earth and there were another universe which God created and runs but does not interact with humans in any way, then could people know which universe they were in?

LOL, that's a good question, I think the answer would have to be NO.

We cannot really even know if God exists at all.
Its all a bunch of guesswork where God is concerned.

I believe God interacts with us. I believe God creates every moment, I believe God creates and sustains the Universe and everything in it, much the way we sustain an active thought in our minds.

But can I "know" this? no I can't. Its just a hunch.

While we are alive these things are hidden from us, and who knows what happens when we die? Nobody. And if anyone tries to tell you otherwise just know that they are either lying or delusional

[josh3623]

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

Hi-lited for easier reading

1: Perhaps but it's the only one you could possibly choose. In other words if your presented with 3 doors, You have three choices but you are impossibly locked into picking door #2 because it's already happened.

2:Iv'e heard this before, But its the same reason people give me for how we are supposed to judge how "good" god is. In what perspective would giving a child cancer and having them go through painful chemo seem like a good thing?

3: Just because you don't know one doesn't mean there is one. Regardless evolution has a great deal of evidence, some of which has been observed directly. I am no expert in this area, But I know a few member are or at least very very knowledgeable in this area.

4:Agreed. We must continue to search for answers. What we cannot do is insert "god" into the unknowns of the world and universe.

2) So most of the people who are eager to deny God's existence do so from an equally humanistic and non scientific perspective. They say things like look at how much suffering there is in the world, there must not be a God.

To me this just is not rational. Who knows what God thinks? Who knows why God does whatever it is that God does? The whole thing seems preposterous.

equally preposterous are those on the other side who are saying "God does exist we know he does because Jesus walked on water!" or whatever the heck kind of ridiculous "proof" for God's existence that they want to offer.

The only truly scientific position about the existence or non existence of God is the agnostic position, which is simply to say "We do not know"

Anyway although I am a scientist I do not take the agnostic position about God, I believe in God, because I feel God's presence, in my heart I know God must exist, and I cannot put my finger on it, and I don't understand it, I just believe it. But as I said before, it might just be paranoia, who really knows?

No one, and if somebody tries to tell you otherwise, most likely they are trying to sell you something, and the way I see it, religion is big business, and its a total rip off, because they are only selling lies.

I see all these fools in Church and they like to exchange their Sunday trip to church for basic morality. Well sorry giving your cash to some rich bastard and dragging your sorry hungover ass to church for a miserable sunday morning is not a form of moral compunction, it is an excercise in futility.

I run an NGO, that was started to save some children that a church was abandoning because the Pastor wanted to steal the missionaries cash,
and I will tell you right now, Most of these Church losers are a bunch of Godless sociopaths. I just don't get it.

They should stop praying for everyone else and start praying for themselves. or better yet, go out and help somebody, that is why we are really here in my opinion anyway.

3)
well again don't misunderstand me, I do know a lot about it, and I believe in evolution, let me tell you. Don't underestimate Meiosis.

However, it does not explain everything, and if you really study it, in depth, for years and years like I have, you will see, that this idea, that all of the millions of diverse and complex species of organisms that exist on earth today, originally came from some unknown prebacterial organism that was hit by electricity in some precambrian sludge.... Well lets just say its a bit farfetched.
Let it suffice to say that evolution while it is a valid theory in my opinion, and while there is an overwhelming body of evidence to back up many of the mechanisms that drive evolution... It is not a complete explanation in and of itself as to how life came to exist on this planet.

[PartSkeptic]

This thread is about God’s plans. Assuming my life is not one great delusion, this is the message I seem to be getting.

This is food for thought for Edge. Others will scorn it.

I think that God plans a new age of spiritual understanding and cooperation where mankind self-limits population growth, and stops destroying the planet. The pandemic is not just to limit the world’s population, but to induce cooperation and understanding between different beliefs, including non-believers and New-Agers.

This is only possible if people see the commonality and interconnection of the revelations given to various sages and prophets which speak of harmony, goodness and ethics. These messages have been distorted by clerics and priests into self-serving rituals and laws that permit or promote separation, destruction and immorality. Religion is not immune from evolution, and should change without losing the basic tenets. Fundamentalists become a serious problem, despite being well-intentioned.

My experiences have shaped my beliefs. How my beliefs related to religion came afterward. Early man worshiped a Sun God and I feel that the sun is an appropriate universal symbol for God. There are the religious practices of aboriginal peoples - acknowledging spirits, nature, and the presence of ancestors. There are true seers and psychics helping people. Taoism has no deity but sees a natural flow based on opposites and rejection of material desires. Confucianism also has no deity and emphasizes social justice and cohesion and hence spiritual enlightenment. Shintoism has family values and respect. Hinduism recognized an uncaring uninvolved creator essence (Brahman), and the concept of re-incarnation. Jainism has non-violence and discipline. The Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) all subscribe to the Old Testament - one God. Moses introduced the commandments, Jesus introduced love and compassion to move away from the vengeful past, and Mohamed tried to remind the “people of the book” that they were straying from the basics. Sikhism blended Islam and Hinduism, by accepting one universal God but rejecting the excessive ritualization of Islam. Buddha (a Hindu) learned the lessons of suffering, and the middle way. The philosophies of deotology and utilitarianism should also be included. Bahaism tries to be a universal faith.

Nearly every religion seems to think that only they have the one true answer. Yet if there is a God, it is surely the same God. And why would God give only one people the answer? It makes more sense to give a piece of the answer to different peoples and let people see the various truths. Science and technology evolve from many truths and revelations, and the search for the meaning of life is no different.

It is not hard to see how priesthoods have used religion for selfish purposes – money and power. On the positive side, some of the money and power has been used to promote great art, music and architecture. Regarding wars, I think God has taken sides (and switches sides) on various conflicts. Modern man sees the inconsistencies and the human failings in religion, and many seek other truths. Today, money and power have become more important than God and are used selfishly. A major pandemic will collapse this dependence.

A global pandemic and disaster will likely inspire new and visionary leaders who will promote positive spiritual change.

[Paulhoff]

Originally Posted by josh3623

LOL, that's a good question, I think the answer would have to be NO.

We cannot really even know if God exists at all.
Its all a bunch of guesswork where God is concerned.

So, a useless waste of time.

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I believe God interacts with us. I believe God creates every moment, I believe God creates and sustains the Universe and everything in it, much the way we sustain an active thought in our minds.

So, where is this so-called free-will many of you love to talk about.

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But can I "know" this? no I can't. Its just a hunch.

More waste of time.

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While we are alive these things are hidden from us, and who knows what happens when we die? Nobody. And if anyone tries to tell you otherwise just know that they are either lying or delusional

And you don't see that you are being delusional.


Paul





Of course to don't see it that way, you all don't.

[Foster Zygote]

Originally Posted by edge

Here's another translation of it which I find lacking and reaching, I like mine better as it fits in todays' world view much better.


Also because back then it was a ritual committed in pagan temples.

So people deserve to be killed for practicing a different religion?

Seriously, Edge, you're just saying, "They weren't condemned to death for being homosexual, they were condemned to death for practicing a different religion". How is that any less monstrous?

[Paulhoff]

Originally Posted by Foster Zygote

So people deserve to be killed for practicing a different religion?

When all is said and done, there would be none of them left.


Paul

[josh3623]

Originally Posted by Paulhoff

So, a useless waste of time.





So, where is this so-called free-will many of you love to talk about.




More waste of time.





And you don't see that you are being delusional.


Paul








Of course to don't see it that way, you all don't.

Paul, have you considered getting help?

In the words of Captain "Assumption is the mother of all ****ups "
(when the ships were wood)

Edited by LashL:

Edited to properly mask profanity. Please see Rule 10 re: the auto-censor.

I said no such thing...

[Foster Zygote]

Originally Posted by josh3623

2) So most of the people who are eager to deny God's existence do so from an equally humanistic and non scientific perspective. They say things like look at how much suffering there is in the world, there must not be a God.

It depends which god one is concerned with. A creator god who was not concerned with the day to day activities of humans would not be falsified by the problem of suffering. But a much more specific god, an omnipotent, omniscient, infallible god that is claimed to have very specific preferences regarding the behavior of its creations, becomes logically untenable when one considers that suffering is claimed to result from the imperfection of this perfect god's creation.

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To me this just is not rational. Who knows what God thinks? Who knows why God does whatever it is that God does? The whole thing seems preposterous.

Who knows if any god even exists. If such a god existed, it certainly could permit or cause suffering out of cruelty, or fail to prevent suffering out of incompetence or indifference. But without the slightest evidence that any gods even exist, speculation as to their motives and abilities amounts to nothing more than debating the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.

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However, it does not explain everything, and if you really study it, in depth, for years and years like I have, you will see, that this idea, that all of the millions of diverse and complex species of organisms that exist on earth today, originally came from some unknown prebacterial organism that was hit by electricity in some precambrian sludge.... Well lets just say its a bit farfetched.

How can one study the theory of evolution by natural selection in depth for years and years and then characterize abiogenesis as "...some unknown prebacterial organism that was hit by electricity in some precambrian sludge..."?

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Let it suffice to say that evolution while it is a valid theory in my opinion, and while there is an overwhelming body of evidence to back up many of the mechanisms that drive evolution... It is not a complete explanation in and of itself as to how life came to exist on this planet.

The theory of evolution does not address the origin of life at all. It deals with how life changes from generation to generation. The question of life's origin is the subject of the field of abiogenesis.

You are simply offering an argument from personal incredulity. Yours is a god of the gaps. Just because we have not yet discovered a naturalistic explanation of the origin of life, it does not follow that there is no naturalistic explanation and that the only available alternative is supernatural intervention.

[Paulhoff]

Originally Posted by josh3623

Paul, have you considered getting help?

In the words of Captain "Assumption is the mother of all ****ups"
(when the ships were wood)

I said no such thing...

Funny, I didn't curse.


Paul

[Paulhoff]

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Paul

[tsig]

Originally Posted by PartSkeptic

This thread is about God’s plans. Assuming my life is not one great delusion, this is the message I seem to be getting.

This is food for thought for Edge. Others will scorn it.

I think that God plans a new age of spiritual understanding and cooperation where mankind self-limits population growth, and stops destroying the planet. The pandemic is not just to limit the world’s population, but to induce cooperation and understanding between different beliefs, including non-believers and New-Agers.

This is only possible if people see the commonality and interconnection of the revelations given to various sages and prophets which speak of harmony, goodness and ethics. These messages have been distorted by clerics and priests into self-serving rituals and laws that permit or promote separation, destruction and immorality. Religion is not immune from evolution, and should change without losing the basic tenets. Fundamentalists become a serious problem, despite being well-intentioned.

My experiences have shaped my beliefs. How my beliefs related to religion came afterward. Early man worshiped a Sun God and I feel that the sun is an appropriate universal symbol for God. There are the religious practices of aboriginal peoples - acknowledging spirits, nature, and the presence of ancestors. There are true seers and psychics helping people. Taoism has no deity but sees a natural flow based on opposites and rejection of material desires. Confucianism also has no deity and emphasizes social justice and cohesion and hence spiritual enlightenment. Shintoism has family values and respect. Hinduism recognized an uncaring uninvolved creator essence (Brahman), and the concept of re-incarnation. Jainism has non-violence and discipline. The Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) all subscribe to the Old Testament - one God. Moses introduced the commandments, Jesus introduced love and compassion to move away from the vengeful past, and Mohamed tried to remind the “people of the book” that they were straying from the basics. Sikhism blended Islam and Hinduism, by accepting one universal God but rejecting the excessive ritualization of Islam. Buddha (a Hindu) learned the lessons of suffering, and the middle way. The philosophies of deotology and utilitarianism should also be included. Bahaism tries to be a universal faith.

Nearly every religion seems to think that only they have the one true answer. Yet if there is a God, it is surely the same God. And why would God give only one people the answer? It makes more sense to give a piece of the answer to different peoples and let people see the various truths. Science and technology evolve from many truths and revelations, and the search for the meaning of life is no different.

It is not hard to see how priesthoods have used religion for selfish purposes – money and power. On the positive side, some of the money and power has been used to promote great art, music and architecture. Regarding wars, I think God has taken sides (and switches sides) on various conflicts. Modern man sees the inconsistencies and the human failings in religion, and many seek other truths. Today, money and power have become more important than God and are used selfishly. A major pandemic will collapse this dependence.

A global pandemic and disaster will likely inspire new and visionary leaders who will promote positive spiritual change.

Like the Black Death did? Oh wait....

[tsig]

Originally Posted by Paulhoff

Funny, I didn't curse.


Paul

Maybe he thinks you're a fig tree.


Odd, how at the first sign of questioning, out come the knives.

[Akhenaten]

Originally Posted by tsig

Like the Black Death did? Oh wait....

That was just a practice run. It was Smallpox that really did the trick. No, Spanish Flu . . .

Umm . . .

I'm starting to think there might be some flaws in this theory.

[Elizabeth I]

Originally Posted by PartSkeptic

This thread is about God’s plans. Assuming my life is not one great delusion, this is the message I seem to be getting.

This is food for thought for Edge. Others will scorn it.

I think that God plans a new age of spiritual understanding and cooperation where mankind self-limits population growth, and stops destroying the planet. The pandemic is not just to limit the world’s population, but to induce cooperation and understanding between different beliefs, including non-believers and New-Agers.

This is only possible if people see the commonality and interconnection of the revelations given to various sages and prophets which speak of harmony, goodness and ethics. These messages have been distorted by clerics and priests into self-serving rituals and laws that permit or promote separation, destruction and immorality. Religion is not immune from evolution, and should change without losing the basic tenets. Fundamentalists become a serious problem, despite being well-intentioned.

My experiences have shaped my beliefs. How my beliefs related to religion came afterward. Early man worshiped a Sun God and I feel that the sun is an appropriate universal symbol for God. There are the religious practices of aboriginal peoples - acknowledging spirits, nature, and the presence of ancestors. There are true seers and psychics helping people. Taoism has no deity but sees a natural flow based on opposites and rejection of material desires. Confucianism also has no deity and emphasizes social justice and cohesion and hence spiritual enlightenment. Shintoism has family values and respect. Hinduism recognized an uncaring uninvolved creator essence (Brahman), and the concept of re-incarnation. Jainism has non-violence and discipline. The Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) all subscribe to the Old Testament - one God. Moses introduced the commandments, Jesus introduced love and compassion to move away from the vengeful past, and Mohamed tried to remind the “people of the book” that they were straying from the basics. Sikhism blended Islam and Hinduism, by accepting one universal God but rejecting the excessive ritualization of Islam. Buddha (a Hindu) learned the lessons of suffering, and the middle way. The philosophies of deotology and utilitarianism should also be included. Bahaism tries to be a universal faith.

Nearly every religion seems to think that only they have the one true answer. Yet if there is a God, it is surely the same God. And why would God give only one people the answer? It makes more sense to give a piece of the answer to different peoples and let people see the various truths. Science and technology evolve from many truths and revelations, and the search for the meaning of life is no different.

It is not hard to see how priesthoods have used religion for selfish purposes – money and power. On the positive side, some of the money and power has been used to promote great art, music and architecture. Regarding wars, I think God has taken sides (and switches sides) on various conflicts. Modern man sees the inconsistencies and the human failings in religion, and many seek other truths. Today, money and power have become more important than God and are used selfishly. A major pandemic will collapse this dependence.

A global pandemic and disaster will likely inspire new and visionary leaders who will promote positive spiritual change.

I'm guessing the part of you that's a skeptic is your left little toenail. The rest of you, not so much.

[Paulhoff]

Funny, but when the bad inputs stop, so does the thread.


Paul

[edge]

Originally Posted by PartSkeptic

This thread is about God’s plans. Assuming my life is not one great delusion, this is the message I seem to be getting.

This is food for thought for Edge. Others will scorn it.

I think that God plans a new age of spiritual understanding and cooperation where mankind self-limits population growth, and stops destroying the planet. The pandemic is not just to limit the world’s population, but to induce cooperation and understanding between different beliefs, including non-believers and New-Agers.

This is only possible if people see the commonality and interconnection of the revelations given to various sages and prophets which speak of harmony, goodness and ethics. These messages have been distorted by clerics and priests into self-serving rituals and laws that permit or promote separation, destruction and immorality. Religion is not immune from evolution, and should change without losing the basic tenets. Fundamentalists become a serious problem, despite being well-intentioned.

My experiences have shaped my beliefs. How my beliefs related to religion came afterward. Early man worshiped a Sun God and I feel that the sun is an appropriate universal symbol for God. There are the religious practices of aboriginal peoples - acknowledging spirits, nature, and the presence of ancestors. There are true seers and psychics helping people. Taoism has no deity but sees a natural flow based on opposites and rejection of material desires. Confucianism also has no deity and emphasizes social justice and cohesion and hence spiritual enlightenment. Shintoism has family values and respect. Hinduism recognized an uncaring uninvolved creator essence (Brahman), and the concept of re-incarnation. Jainism has non-violence and discipline. The Abrahamic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) all subscribe to the Old Testament - one God. Moses introduced the commandments, Jesus introduced love and compassion to move away from the vengeful past, and Mohamed tried to remind the “people of the book” that they were straying from the basics. Sikhism blended Islam and Hinduism, by accepting one universal God but rejecting the excessive ritualization of Islam. Buddha (a Hindu) learned the lessons of suffering, and the middle way. The philosophies of deotology and utilitarianism should also be included. Bahaism tries to be a universal faith.

Nearly every religion seems to think that only they have the one true answer. Yet if there is a God, it is surely the same God. And why would God give only one people the answer? It makes more sense to give a piece of the answer to different peoples and let people see the various truths. Science and technology evolve from many truths and revelations, and the search for the meaning of life is no different.

It is not hard to see how priesthoods have used religion for selfish purposes – money and power. On the positive side, some of the money and power has been used to promote great art, music and architecture. Regarding wars, I think God has taken sides (and switches sides) on various conflicts. Modern man sees the inconsistencies and the human failings in religion, and many seek other truths. Today, money and power have become more important than God and are used selfishly. A major pandemic will collapse this dependence.

A global pandemic and disaster will likely inspire new and visionary leaders who will promote positive spiritual change.

Exactly to a point.

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by PartSkeptic

A global pandemic and disaster will likely inspire new and visionary leaders who will promote positive spiritual change.

In the same way that the Black Death promoted positive spiritual change?

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by Akhenaten

That was just a practice run. It was Smallpox that really did the trick. No, Spanish Flu . . .

Umm . . .

I'm starting to think there might be some flaws in this theory.

And the Earth shall smell of roses for evermore.........not.

[Paulhoff]

Again, this thread is so useless, they have an unknowable god's mind, but yet they like to tell what it is thinking, which can be anything they want it to be.


Paul

[dafydd]

Originally Posted by Paulhoff

Again, this thread is so useless, they have an unknowable god's mind, but yet they like to tell what it is thinking, which can be anything they want it to be.


Paul

One can imbue an imaginary being with any qualities, it's a free-for-all.

[Tricky]

Originally Posted by PartSkeptic

Nearly every religion seems to think that only they have the one true answer. Yet if there is a God, it is surely the same God. And why would God give only one people the answer? It makes more sense to give a piece of the answer to different peoples and let people see the various truths. Science and technology evolve from many truths and revelations, and the search for the meaning of life is no different.

That is not only wrong, but nonsensical. It is wrong, because if that scenario is correct, God hasn't given "a piece of the answer" to different peoples, He has given completly different and mutually conflicting answers to different peoples. It is nonsensical because any reasonably intelligent being would realize that if a God gives them different information, they are going to fight over it. Why can't God get his story straight? Does he like to see people fight each other? Is He like a redneck running a dogfighting ring, not really caring much about the participants, but just wanting bloody entertainment?

[Paulhoff]

Originally Posted by PartSkeptic

Science and technology evolve from many truths and revelations

Many truths................


Explain please.


This should be good.


Paul