Do it yourself Art Restoration

gabeygoat · 22nd August 2012, 12:43 PM

This is kind of sad but also, Totally Hilarious

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19349921

"An elderly parishioner has stunned Spanish cultural officials with an alarming and unauthorised attempt to restore a prized Jesus Christ fresco."

Howie Felterbush · 22nd August 2012, 01:04 PM

From the link.

Quote:

The once-dignified portrait now resembles a crayon sketch of a very hairy monkey in an ill-fitting tunic...

Looks fine to me.

gabeygoat · 22nd August 2012, 01:07 PM

you know the "restored" fresco will show up in all sorts of internet memes.
it's just too great not to

rjh01 · 22nd August 2012, 02:16 PM

I think the real scandal is that it was allowed to deteriorate so much.

AdMan · 22nd August 2012, 02:37 PM

What have you done to him? What have you done to his eyes, you maniacs!

Ian Osborne · 22nd August 2012, 02:44 PM

I hope they manage to restore the fresco properly, but I couldn't help laughing at the amateur job. :-)

jimfish · 22nd August 2012, 03:24 PM

Life imitates Art...and Bean.

pakeha · 22nd August 2012, 03:42 PM

^
Ninja'd yet again.

Moon-Spinner · 23rd August 2012, 08:12 AM

At first glance, this restoration attempt is hilarious, but then I stop to realizes that the painting is probably destroyed beyond repair, then I look at it again and break out laughing again!

This brings up a question I've been asking myself for years - doesn't "Restoring" paintings basically ruin the artists' work (if you're painting over the original artwork)? Cleaning the artwork is fine (if done well), but repainting over it seems to be replacing the artist's work with someone elses.

aggle-rithm · 23rd August 2012, 08:27 AM

I don't see what the fuss is about. Simply change the date from the 19th century to the early twentieth, and suddenly it's a masterpiece again.

shuttlt · 23rd August 2012, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by Moon-Spinner

At first glance, this restoration attempt is hilarious, but then I stop to realizes that the painting is probably destroyed beyond repair, then I look at it again and break out laughing again!

This brings up a question I've been asking myself for years - doesn't "Restoring" paintings basically ruin the artists' work (if you're painting over the original artwork)? Cleaning the artwork is fine (if done well), but repainting over it seems to be replacing the artist's work with someone elses.

In this case, isn't it kind of a functional object as well. As a religious icon, maybe it makes sense to restore it in a way that it wouldn't purely as a work of history or art.

The Central Scrutinizer · 23rd August 2012, 08:35 AM

Are we sure this is real?

gabeygoat · 23rd August 2012, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by Moon-Spinner

This brings up a question I've been asking myself for years - doesn't "Restoring" paintings basically ruin the artists' work (if you're painting over the original artwork)? Cleaning the artwork is fine (if done well), but repainting over it seems to be replacing the artist's work with someone elses.

I tend to agree

Wowbagger · 23rd August 2012, 08:45 AM

I forsee a new PhotoShop filter called "Gimenez".

El_Spectre · 23rd August 2012, 08:58 AM

I'm not going to mock the poor lady... she meant well, and it's more than I could do.

Still... this was my first thought.

Holy Communion will never be the same again.

aggle-rithm · 23rd August 2012, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

Are we sure this is real?

Good question. It's exactly the sort of thing someone would make up.

Tacita · 23rd August 2012, 12:06 PM

It's real, I saw a video earlier where the woman talks about it, how she made it no secret, and people watched her as she was doing it. Also, she came forward when she realized it wasn't turning out quite like she'd planned.

pakeha · 23rd August 2012, 12:21 PM

Indeed, the old dear has had a nervous prostration (ataque de nervios) and the Spanish memes are now out there.

My favourite is this one:
http://www.que.es/ultimas-noticias/s...oy-g19333.html

ETA:
Just seen
http://www.larepublica.pe/23-08-2012...sociales-fotos
The one with the Duchess of Alba's face is especially cruel

Wowbagger · 23rd August 2012, 12:26 PM

Well, I think it's all a conspiracy! The church is claiming this woman ruined the fresco, but they secretly cut the original out of its location to sell it off. They needed the money, and they knew the folks in the area would be angry if they learned their favorite piece of art would be sold like that. Especially since the buyers were atheist aliens from another solar system. So, they used this poor lady as a patsy. She was hand picked by the CIA and FBI because they needed to ruin her reputation after she was about to expose the Mars Landing hoax they had constructed. It's all terribly complicated. But, you can see by some of her brush strokes that this isn't a real botched restoration. It's clearly a hoax made to look like a botched restoration. No botched job could ever look that hideous. See what I mean?

patchbunny · 23rd August 2012, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Wowbagger

I forsee a new PhotoShop filter called "Gimenez".

Must.. not... read... thread... at work...

Vortigern99 · 23rd August 2012, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by gabeygoat

This is kind of sad but also, Totally Hilarious

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19349921

"An elderly parishioner has stunned Spanish cultural officials with an alarming and unauthorised attempt to restore a prized Jesus Christ fresco."

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image..._frescopic.gif

What I find so perversely amusing about this "restoration" effort is the total wrongness of every single line, shape, brushstroke, color and value choice. Each flowing contour has been slathered over with broad, awkward shapes. Every hue transmuted into mud. The light source rendered unidentifiable. A sensitive and photographically realistic portrait polymorphed into a cubistic monkey.

There is not a single one: one comparison of any square millimeter that can favorably be made between the two images. It's quite simply one of the worst pieces of "art", or craft, or handiwork, that I've ever seen.

El_Spectre · 23rd August 2012, 12:53 PM

Still, it's nice to see Big J with a smile on his face.

Vortigern99 · 23rd August 2012, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by El_Spectre

Still, it's nice to see Big J with a smile on his face.

Where? I see downturned lips in garbled perspective.

El_Spectre · 23rd August 2012, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Vortigern99

Where? I see downturned lips in garbled perspective.

No way, he looks like a smiley face (with an awful pencil mustache)

AdMan · 23rd August 2012, 01:13 PM

Apparently, the painting was in much better shape than the "before" image just two years ago, before the old lady started working on it:

Quote:

An original photograph of the painting taken in 2010, shows only minimal deterioration with Jesus crowned in thorns clearly visible in the portrait. There is slight white speckling across the piece.

Large white patches appear in a second photograph of the painting taken in July this year, possibly scrubbed off as the octogenarian began her project.

A final photograph reveals a portrait transformed beyond recognition.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/a...storation.html

Ian Osborne · 23rd August 2012, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by Wowbagger

Well, I think it's all a conspiracy! The church is claiming this woman ruined the fresco, but they secretly cut the original out of its location to sell it off.

That might prove tricky with a fresco.

gabeygoat · 23rd August 2012, 01:24 PM

These 3 were done by my buddy cur at shortscale.org/forum

Wowbagger · 23rd August 2012, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Ian Osborne

That might prove tricky with a fresco.

Tricky, but not impossible. Not with the technology these extraterrestrials have.

gabeygoat · 23rd August 2012, 02:14 PM

hahahaha

Howie Felterbush · 23rd August 2012, 02:16 PM

Ninja'd by the Goat!

rjh01 · 23rd August 2012, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Moon-Spinner

At first glance, this restoration attempt is hilarious, but then I stop to realizes that the painting is probably destroyed beyond repair, then I look at it again and break out laughing again!

This brings up a question I've been asking myself for years - doesn't "Restoring" paintings basically ruin the artists' work (if you're painting over the original artwork)? Cleaning the artwork is fine (if done well), but repainting over it seems to be replacing the artist's work with someone elses.

Restoring a painting does have its purposes. It should not ruin the original artists' work. It should restore the painting to how it looked when it was first painted. If any paint is added then an expert with the right tools can see what has been added. Sometimes restoring a painting involves removing previous restoration work. Like someone might once have put varnish over the painting. This varnish could be removed as part of the restoration.

Restoration might also involve taking photos of the painting in different wavelengths (from microwaves to X-ray) to see how the painting has been altered since the canvas was new.

Lolly · 23rd August 2012, 03:43 PM

What's interesting is that she got so far with it before realizing that she was out of her depth, so she obviously thought she'd captured the eyes and other features well...

Why didn't the people who saw her stop her? Although you might think she was an authorised person when she first started, when you could see the quality of the work that she was doing, wouldn't you say something?

Vortigern99 · 23rd August 2012, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by El_Spectre

No way, he looks like a smiley face (with an awful pencil mustache)

Heh, now that I look at it that way I can't see it the way I saw it before. Poor, stupid, untalented woman. I wonder what previous work she showed the owners that convinced them she had the skills to restore the Ecce Homo?

Vortigern99 · 23rd August 2012, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by Lolly

What's interesting is that she got so far with it before realizing that she was out of her depth, so she obviously thought she'd captured the eyes and other features well...

Why didn't the people who saw her stop her? Although you might think she was an authorised person when she first started, when you could see the quality of the work that she was doing, wouldn't you say something?

Yes, I would have spoken up without a moment's hesitation, the instant I saw her obliterate the eyes.

Lolly · 23rd August 2012, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Vortigern99

I wonder what previous work she showed the owners that convinced them she had the skills to restore the Ecce Homo?

She didn't ask, she just got to work. I'm just fascinated by what she could have been thinking. Did she think she was able to "fix it"? Was she just upset because her icon's picture was deteriorating and she didn't want him fading away? Did she dream up a scenario where she'd be feted for saving the picture?

I think the caption should be "god works in mysterious ways..."

EDIT added

Originally Posted by Vortigern99

the instant I saw her obliterate the eyes.

Notice how she hasn't put any whites to his eyeballs?

Tsukasa Buddha · 23rd August 2012, 05:49 PM

Can't stop laughing.

I mean, it is pretty bad. But... *looks at it again*

applecorped · 23rd August 2012, 06:02 PM

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/interna...=International

"An elderly parishioner’s attempt to touch up this cherished but deteriorating Spanish church fresco has turned Jesus into a cartoon figure.
The unidentified woman, in her 80s, was upset at the damage that moisture was wreaking on the 19th century fresco in the Sanctuary of Mercy Church near Zaragoza.
Without authorization, the devoted woman scraped away some of the paint, leaving white marks on the wall.
Then she took out a paintbrush and replaced the strokes of artist Elias Garcia Martinez with her own, Spanish media reported."

He looks happier!

DevilsAdvocate · 23rd August 2012, 06:10 PM

McKayla is not impressed.

WildCat · 23rd August 2012, 06:12 PM

Jesus!

Pulvinar · 23rd August 2012, 06:17 PM

Duplicate thread: Do it yourself Art Restoration

22nd August 2012, 12:43 PM	#1
gabeygoat Muse Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hard Corvallis, Oregon Posts: 667	Do it yourself Art Restoration This is kind of sad but also, Totally Hilarious http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19349921 "An elderly parishioner has stunned Spanish cultural officials with an alarming and unauthorised attempt to restore a prized Jesus Christ fresco."

22nd August 2012, 01:04 PM	#2
Howie Felterbush Bow Tie Daddy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: In the twilight, singing all the old lullabies Posts: 5,333	From the link. Quote: The once-dignified portrait now resembles a crayon sketch of a very hairy monkey in an ill-fitting tunic... Looks fine to me.
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22nd August 2012, 02:16 PM	#4
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,166	I think the real scandal is that it was allowed to deteriorate so much.
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22nd August 2012, 02:37 PM	#5
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22nd August 2012, 02:44 PM	#6
Ian Osborne JREF Kid Tagger Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,383	I hope they manage to restore the fresco properly, but I couldn't help laughing at the amateur job. :-)
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22nd August 2012, 01:07 PM	#3
gabeygoat Muse Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hard Corvallis, Oregon Posts: 667	you know the "restored" fresco will show up in all sorts of internet memes. it's just too great not to

22nd August 2012, 03:24 PM	#7
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22nd August 2012, 03:42 PM	#8
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23rd August 2012, 08:12 AM	#9
Moon-Spinner Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Within a star too far to dream of Posts: 1,481	At first glance, this restoration attempt is hilarious, but then I stop to realizes that the painting is probably destroyed beyond repair, then I look at it again and break out laughing again! This brings up a question I've been asking myself for years - doesn't "Restoring" paintings basically ruin the artists' work (if you're painting over the original artwork)? Cleaning the artwork is fine (if done well), but repainting over it seems to be replacing the artist's work with someone elses.

23rd August 2012, 08:27 AM	#10
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,149	I don't see what the fuss is about. Simply change the date from the 19th century to the early twentieth, and suddenly it's a masterpiece again.
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23rd August 2012, 08:32 AM	#11
shuttlt Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,927	Originally Posted by Moon-Spinner At first glance, this restoration attempt is hilarious, but then I stop to realizes that the painting is probably destroyed beyond repair, then I look at it again and break out laughing again! This brings up a question I've been asking myself for years - doesn't "Restoring" paintings basically ruin the artists' work (if you're painting over the original artwork)? Cleaning the artwork is fine (if done well), but repainting over it seems to be replacing the artist's work with someone elses. In this case, isn't it kind of a functional object as well. As a religious icon, maybe it makes sense to restore it in a way that it wouldn't purely as a work of history or art.
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23rd August 2012, 08:35 AM	#12
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23rd August 2012, 08:42 AM	#13
gabeygoat Muse Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hard Corvallis, Oregon Posts: 667	Originally Posted by Moon-Spinner This brings up a question I've been asking myself for years - doesn't "Restoring" paintings basically ruin the artists' work (if you're painting over the original artwork)? Cleaning the artwork is fine (if done well), but repainting over it seems to be replacing the artist's work with someone elses. I tend to agree

23rd August 2012, 08:45 AM	#14
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23rd August 2012, 08:58 AM	#15
El_Spectre Lizard Scum Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Arizona Bay Posts: 1,206	I'm not going to mock the poor lady... she meant well, and it's more than I could do. Still... this was my first thought. Holy Communion will never be the same again.
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23rd August 2012, 10:40 AM	#16
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23rd August 2012, 12:06 PM	#17
Tacita Muse Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 508	It's real, I saw a video earlier where the woman talks about it, how she made it no secret, and people watched her as she was doing it. Also, she came forward when she realized it wasn't turning out quite like she'd planned.
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23rd August 2012, 12:21 PM	#18
pakeha Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 7,963	Indeed, the old dear has had a nervous prostration (ataque de nervios) and the Spanish memes are now out there. My favourite is this one: http://www.que.es/ultimas-noticias/s...oy-g19333.html ETA: Just seen http://www.larepublica.pe/23-08-2012...sociales-fotos The one with the Duchess of Alba's face is especially cruel
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23rd August 2012, 12:26 PM	#19
Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Westchester County, NY (when not in space) Posts: 13,504	Well, I think it's all a conspiracy! The church is claiming this woman ruined the fresco, but they secretly cut the original out of its location to sell it off. They needed the money, and they knew the folks in the area would be angry if they learned their favorite piece of art would be sold like that. Especially since the buyers were atheist aliens from another solar system. So, they used this poor lady as a patsy. She was hand picked by the CIA and FBI because they needed to ruin her reputation after she was about to expose the Mars Landing hoax they had constructed. It's all terribly complicated. But, you can see by some of her brush strokes that this isn't a real botched restoration. It's clearly a hoax made to look like a botched restoration. No botched job could ever look that hideous. See what I mean?
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23rd August 2012, 12:42 PM	#20
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23rd August 2012, 12:52 PM	#21
Vortigern99 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,010	Originally Posted by gabeygoat This is kind of sad but also, Totally Hilarious http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19349921 "An elderly parishioner has stunned Spanish cultural officials with an alarming and unauthorised attempt to restore a prized Jesus Christ fresco." http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/image..._frescopic.gif What I find so perversely amusing about this "restoration" effort is the total wrongness of every single line, shape, brushstroke, color and value choice. Each flowing contour has been slathered over with broad, awkward shapes. Every hue transmuted into mud. The light source rendered unidentifiable. A sensitive and photographically realistic portrait polymorphed into a cubistic monkey. There is not a single one: one comparison of any square millimeter that can favorably be made between the two images. It's quite simply one of the worst pieces of "art", or craft, or handiwork, that I've ever seen.
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23rd August 2012, 12:53 PM	#22
El_Spectre Lizard Scum Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Arizona Bay Posts: 1,206	Still, it's nice to see Big J with a smile on his face.
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23rd August 2012, 12:55 PM	#23
Vortigern99 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,010	Originally Posted by El_Spectre Still, it's nice to see Big J with a smile on his face. Where? I see downturned lips in garbled perspective.
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23rd August 2012, 12:57 PM	#24
El_Spectre Lizard Scum Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Arizona Bay Posts: 1,206	Originally Posted by Vortigern99 Where? I see downturned lips in garbled perspective. No way, he looks like a smiley face (with an awful pencil mustache)
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23rd August 2012, 01:13 PM	#25
AdMan Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 7,157	Apparently, the painting was in much better shape than the "before" image just two years ago, before the old lady started working on it: Quote: An original photograph of the painting taken in 2010, shows only minimal deterioration with Jesus crowned in thorns clearly visible in the portrait. There is slight white speckling across the piece. Large white patches appear in a second photograph of the painting taken in July this year, possibly scrubbed off as the octogenarian began her project. A final photograph reveals a portrait transformed beyond recognition. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/a...storation.html
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23rd August 2012, 01:23 PM	#26
Ian Osborne JREF Kid Tagger Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 6,383	Originally Posted by Wowbagger Well, I think it's all a conspiracy! The church is claiming this woman ruined the fresco, but they secretly cut the original out of its location to sell it off. That might prove tricky with a fresco.
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23rd August 2012, 01:24 PM	#27
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23rd August 2012, 01:58 PM	#28
Wowbagger The Infinitely Prolonged Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Westchester County, NY (when not in space) Posts: 13,504	Originally Posted by Ian Osborne That might prove tricky with a fresco. Tricky, but not impossible. Not with the technology these extraterrestrials have.
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23rd August 2012, 02:14 PM	#29
gabeygoat Muse Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Hard Corvallis, Oregon Posts: 667	hahahaha

23rd August 2012, 02:16 PM	#30
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23rd August 2012, 02:39 PM	#31
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,166	Originally Posted by Moon-Spinner At first glance, this restoration attempt is hilarious, but then I stop to realizes that the painting is probably destroyed beyond repair, then I look at it again and break out laughing again! This brings up a question I've been asking myself for years - doesn't "Restoring" paintings basically ruin the artists' work (if you're painting over the original artwork)? Cleaning the artwork is fine (if done well), but repainting over it seems to be replacing the artist's work with someone elses. Restoring a painting does have its purposes. It should not ruin the original artists' work. It should restore the painting to how it looked when it was first painted. If any paint is added then an expert with the right tools can see what has been added. Sometimes restoring a painting involves removing previous restoration work. Like someone might once have put varnish over the painting. This varnish could be removed as part of the restoration. Restoration might also involve taking photos of the painting in different wavelengths (from microwaves to X-ray) to see how the painting has been altered since the canvas was new.
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23rd August 2012, 03:43 PM	#32
Lolly discombobulated Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Western Australia Posts: 4,573	What's interesting is that she got so far with it before realizing that she was out of her depth, so she obviously thought she'd captured the eyes and other features well... Why didn't the people who saw her stop her? Although you might think she was an authorised person when she first started, when you could see the quality of the work that she was doing, wouldn't you say something?
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23rd August 2012, 03:51 PM	#33
Vortigern99 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,010	Originally Posted by El_Spectre No way, he looks like a smiley face (with an awful pencil mustache) Heh, now that I look at it that way I can't see it the way I saw it before. Poor, stupid, untalented woman. I wonder what previous work she showed the owners that convinced them she had the skills to restore the Ecce Homo?
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23rd August 2012, 03:52 PM	#34
Vortigern99 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,010	Originally Posted by Lolly What's interesting is that she got so far with it before realizing that she was out of her depth, so she obviously thought she'd captured the eyes and other features well... Why didn't the people who saw her stop her? Although you might think she was an authorised person when she first started, when you could see the quality of the work that she was doing, wouldn't you say something? Yes, I would have spoken up without a moment's hesitation, the instant I saw her obliterate the eyes.
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23rd August 2012, 05:31 PM	#35
Lolly discombobulated Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Western Australia Posts: 4,573	Originally Posted by Vortigern99 I wonder what previous work she showed the owners that convinced them she had the skills to restore the Ecce Homo? She didn't ask, she just got to work. I'm just fascinated by what she could have been thinking. Did she think she was able to "fix it"? Was she just upset because her icon's picture was deteriorating and she didn't want him fading away? Did she dream up a scenario where she'd be feted for saving the picture? I think the caption should be "god works in mysterious ways..." EDIT added Originally Posted by Vortigern99 the instant I saw her obliterate the eyes. Notice how she hasn't put any whites to his eyeballs?
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