Merged: The election was stolen/rigged!

[jaydeehess]

Originally Posted by R.A.F.

Obviously you understood the question, why can't you answer it?


Newt gingrich...what an ass.

careful Newt is lining up to be the first POTM (President of the Moon)
Not that I oppose a lunar base but to complain about the country's debt and then call for spending billions for a base.......
h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e

He was an *** in the 80's and cemented the fact this past year. He had competition mind you. Rick Santorum and Herman Cain proved to not only be said posterior appendages but to also manage to breath while having their heads in that warm, moist, and odorous place.

One laugh riot to me was Gingrich opining on the sanctity of marriage.

[Robert Prey]

Originally Posted by SezMe

You can, no doubt, give us a citation where Obama admitted this.

The Anointed One Trained at Alinsky's Industrial Areas Foundation, Obama taught workshops on the Alinsky method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project. Later, he worked with the infamous ACORN and its offshoot Project Vote , creations of the Alinsky network.

[Robert Prey]

Originally Posted by mercatormac

In which case, wasn't the assasination of JFK a good thing then? One less evil, lying, stealing cheater to deal with.

JFK was good and bad. His sexual indiscretions notwithstanding, he nearly got us into a nuclear war, but his ideas on taxes were sound. The aftermath of his assassination is an important reminder as to how easily it is to brainwash the public via a compliant news media -- a situation that is far worse today (Obamaworship) than it was then.

[Robert Prey]

[quote=jaydeehess;8776487]There's also freedom to ignore shrill harpies.
Its in the CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS
Generally, Robert, Canadians laugh at people like you, Bachman, and Coulter.

Most of the world does too. Sucks to be you.

/QUOTE]

Same to you.

[Robert Prey]

Originally Posted by R.A.F.

Obviously you understood the question, why can't you answer it?


Newt gingrich...what an ass.

Newt and his Contract for America had to drag Clinton kicking and screaming toward a budget surplus.

[Robert Prey]

Originally Posted by Straw Man

I don't think so, Robert. They just aren't interested in listening to the screeching harpie.

Freedom is great, Robert. The ability to go where you want, and do what you want to do.

Can you go to Cuba?

No need to. We now have Obamacare. Congratulations, suckers.

[JayUtah]

Yeah I think we're done here.

[Straw Man]

Still seems that no-one has stepped forward to say that they voted Romney in these districts.

I'd call the matter closed.

[Robert Prey]

Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham

"These problems first emerged in a number of swing states during early voting. In many of the most important swing states it was being reported that Romney voters were claiming that when they tried to cast votes for Romney that the voting machines changed their votes to Obama instead. The following is one example of this from Ohio…"

'I don’t know if it happened to anybody else or not, but this is the first time in all the years that we voted that this has ever happened to me,' said Marion, Ohio, voter Joan Stevens.
Stevens said that when she voted, it took her three tries before the machine accepted her choice to vote for Romney.
...

Edited by LashL:

Snipped for compliance with Rule 4. Do not copy and paste lengthy tracts of text available elsewhere. Instead, quote a short passage with a link to the source.

http://marketdailynews.com/2012/11/1...k-obama-votes/

[Garrison]

Originally Posted by Robert Prey

Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham

"These problems first emerged in a number of swing states during early voting. In many of the most important swing states it was being reported that Romney voters were claiming that when they tried to cast votes for Romney that the voting machines changed their votes to Obama instead. The following is one example of this from Ohio…"

'I don’t know if it happened to anybody else or not, but this is the first time in all the years that we voted that this has ever happened to me,' said Marion, Ohio, voter Joan Stevens.
Stevens said that when she voted, it took her three tries before the machine accepted her choice to vote for Romney.
...

http://marketdailynews.com/2012/11/1...k-obama-votes/

So just rinse, lather, repeat then? All you've done is retread the same fact free claims you made at the start. You really need to understand RP that repetition is not a substitute for evidence.

[JerryGarcia]

Originally Posted by Robert Prey

Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham

"These problems first emerged in a number of swing states during early voting. In many of the most important swing states it was being reported that Romney voters were claiming that when they tried to cast votes for Romney that the voting machines changed their votes to Obama instead. The following is one example of this from Ohio…"

'I don’t know if it happened to anybody else or not, but this is the first time in all the years that we voted that this has ever happened to me,' said Marion, Ohio, voter Joan Stevens.
Stevens said that when she voted, it took her three tries before the machine accepted her choice to vote for Romney.

...

http://marketdailynews.com/2012/11/1...k-obama-votes/

Baloney.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Robert Prey

"These problems..."

Malfunctioning voting machines. Asked and answered. You cherry-pick only those that malfunctioned in favor of Obama.

Quote:

"Over in Pennsylvania..."

Ashcroft again. Asked and answered. Ashcroft is no credible, for the reasons already given.

Quote:

"According to the head of the Republican Party of Maine..."

...who is widely considered a crackpot even by his own party. No one else remembers seeing these alleged hordes of "black people," nor can the claimant provide any evidence for bussed-in voters.

[Straw Man]

Originally Posted by Robert Prey

“Everybody has a right to vote, but nobody in town knows anyone who’s black,” Webster said.

Looks like he suddenly remembered that he knew black people.

“There’s nothing about me that would be discriminatory,” he said. “I know black people. I play basketball every Sunday with a black guy. He’s a great friend of mine. Nobody would ever accuse me of suggesting anything.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz2CUv6Iymp

Yes, Robert. Fleets of buses full of black people from the secret black people repository.

Voting machines switching to Romney or Obama, depending on your political flavour.

Obama has won. End of.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Straw Man

Yes, Robert. Fleets of buses full of black people from the secret black people repository.

That's the kind of story that make Maine Republicans do a collective facepalm every time time Webster opens his mouth, and probably why he won't survive much longer as that state's party chairman.

The problem with these conspiracy theories is that in order to include all the required elements (voter fraud, white supremacy) the plot has to be pretty silly. Here's what went on in the back room, according to Webster.

Tom: Okay, so we're going to flood the Maine electoral districts with a huge number of undocumented voters favorable to our candidate.
Dick: Won't the local precinct workers get suspicious when a huge number of undocumented voters arriving at the same time?
Tom: No, because if one person can bluff his way past the Maine poll workers, then fifty people should be fifty times more likely to do that.
Harry: And just to make sure they pass unnoticed among the population, let's be sure they're all a different color than everyone else in Maine.
Tom: Oh, good thinking!

I know know what's sillier: Webster's claims, or Robert's suggestion that we should believe them.

[frenat]

Originally Posted by Robert Prey

Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham

"These problems first emerged in a number of swing states during early voting. In many of the most important swing states it was being reported that Romney voters were claiming that when they tried to cast votes for Romney that the voting machines changed their votes to Obama instead. The following is one example of this from Ohio…"

'I don’t know if it happened to anybody else or not, but this is the first time in all the years that we voted that this has ever happened to me,' said Marion, Ohio, voter Joan Stevens.
Stevens said that when she voted, it took her three tries before the machine accepted her choice to vote for Romney.

...

Looks like problems with touch screen calibration, not voter fraud. How sad for you to not know the difference. The simpl fact that it was easily discovered shows it would not be effective for fraud.

[R.A.F.]

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

One laugh riot to me was Gingrich opining on the sanctity of marriage.

Yep....talk about hypocracy.

[R.A.F.]

[quote=Robert Prey;8776996]

Originally Posted by jaydeehess

There's also freedom to ignore shrill harpies.
Its in the CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS
Generally, Robert, Canadians laugh at people like you, Bachman, and Coulter.

Most of the world does too. Sucks to be you.

/QUOTE]

Same to you.

Nice "come-back".

You seem to miss the point....people are not laughing at jaydeehess, but there are laughing AT YOU.

[jaydeehess]

Originally Posted by Robert Prey

QUOTE=jaydeehess;8776487]There's also freedom to ignore shrill harpies.
Its in the CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS
Generally, Robert, Canadians laugh at people like you, Bachman, and Coulter.

Most of the world does too. Sucks to be you.

/QUOTE]

Same to you.

Might have had more oomph if you had used the quote function properly, not to mention that according to your take on world events it does not suck to be me. After all the world is apparently going down the political tracks that I prefer, as opposed to yours, my country has not been as affected by the world financial crisis as yours, I applaud and enjoy the benefits of Canada's universal medical care, I don't mind paying the taxes I pay, Canada still uses paper ballots and thus NEVER has the problems of mis-calibrated voting machines that your country adopted, in Canada the religious bent of any candidate for any office is of practically no interest to the voting public, and I do not see eeeveel plots taking place on every street corner.

Nope doesn't suck to be me.

[jaydeehess]

Originally Posted by frenat

Looks like problems with touch screen calibration, not voter fraud. How sad for you to not know the difference. The simpl fact that it was easily discovered shows it would not be effective for fraud.

That and other glaring problems with that article have been pointed out to Robert who it seems, cannot fathom the responses he has gotten to it.

Word salad techno-babble is a definitive indication that the person being quoted has no idea what they are talking about. Not that this would stop Robert from believeing in it.

[jaydeehess]

Apparently Webster and Robert have never filled out an on-line poll. There are no 'default' answers to posed questions and if one fails to make a selection that becomes obvious as one gets the reminder that one must choose/make a selection when you try to submit it.

At work, for our health benefits insurance (private, not gov't, not everything is covered by the gov't) we filled out a health questionaire and if you skipped a question it would indeed ask you to please answer question number x
For instance when I missed the selection which would indicate that I have or have not ever been diagnosed with a heart condition it did not 'default' to 'yes' or 'no'.

In some cases a default can be used though. For instance in our local Bass fishing tournament the 'default' ranking of the teams is by team number after which they are ranked by weight of catch. Obviously team #1 is in deafult first place as the boats leave the dock but there are only one way that this team could 'win' without catching more weight in fish than the other teams. That being the case in which no one catchs ANY fish.

That however is a contest whereas a vote is actually a poll with a binary answer and its not a recorded vote (the name of the person is not attached to the data created when they vote) therefore no default need be ascribed. Instead when a new vote is made that data is simply added to the database. A "default" as described in the above article by a person who's words prove him to be ignorant in such matters, is ridiculous.

[SezMe]

Originally Posted by Robert Prey

http://marketdailynews.com/2012/11/1...k-obama-votes/

Robert, you missed the most shocking, revolting, insane, disgusting, creepy, fraudulent item on that web site. This article asserts that a Kenyan witch doctor from the village that Obama was born in () predicted an Obama victory. OH, NO! HE WAS IN ON IT TOO. OMG. I have no doubt that he was one of the guys who was bussed around Maine.

[LashL]

Please, stick to the topic of the thread, which is about allegations of the election being 'rigged' - not about Obamacare, JFK, birther nonsense, relative freedoms in various countries, or each other, as fascinating as those subjects may be. Also, be civil and do not personalize things. Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation.

Posted By:LashL

[Nay_Sayer]

Not only were the elections rigged, But in fact all voters where Obama in various disguises including the classic glasses and mustache combo with trench coat.

[Alferd_Packer]

Interesting

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11...election-text/

did "Anonymous" save the election?

If this is true, it puts Rove's little election night meltdown in a new perspective.

[Straw Man]

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

Interesting

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11...election-text/

did "Anonymous" save the election?

If this is true, it puts Rove's little election night meltdown in a new perspective.

Thanks for that, AP. Very interesting article.

[Redtail]

The information they claim they will release, is there any way to fake it to a point that it could fool a professional computer engineer, or at least to the point you would have to take their word for it?

It is Anonymous after all...

[mercatormac]

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

Interesting

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11...election-text/

did "Anonymous" save the election?

If this is true, it puts Rove's little election night meltdown in a new perspective.

Without specifics it sounds like rubbish.

[Myron Proudfoot]

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

Interesting

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11...election-text/

did "Anonymous" save the election?

If this is true, it puts Rove's little election night meltdown in a new perspective.

reserving judgement until I see more, but thank you for posting it.

[Loss Leader]

Originally Posted by Alferd_Packer

Interesting

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/11...election-text/

did "Anonymous" save the election?

If this is true, it puts Rove's little election night meltdown in a new perspective.

I'm going to opine that it's utter nonsense. It was only after the election that Republican sources began to blame ORCA for their loss. However all available data indicates that the votes just weren't there. Romney's team had badly underestimated the importance of youths and minorities in the election and had "readjusted" polls to reflect the "real" likely voters.

In the initial days after the fact, claiming to have hacked ORCA might have been a big deal. But it could not have turned the election. Furthermore, ORCA-like systems have been in place for as long as there has been democracy. In recent elections, it has been done with pen and paper, frantic phone calls, "war rooms", preprinted lists and lots of yelling. That's generally what Obama's people were doing on Tuesday. And it's what Romney's people were doing, too. The failure of ORCA just put them back to the same place they were in 2008. It didn't stop them from churning up Republican votes.

This indicates to me that the letter is a hoax. The hoaxer grabbed something in the popular imagination and inserted himself into the story. It's clear the hoaxer did not understand that the ORCA failure was a footnote. Without a very, very detailed understanding of electoral math, nobody could have understood what the system was designed to do. With a very, very detailed understanding of electoral math, one would realize crashing the ORCA system wouldn't matter.

Besides, it's already known that: 1) the volunteers had been given incorrect instructions on how to download and use the app; and 2) the Boston Garden's servers (which had never been tested) regarded the data as a denial-of-service attack and blocked most of it. Neither of those things could have been done by hackers. They were entirely due to errors made by the Romney technical team.

[Alferd_Packer]

I agree that we should be skeptical of this. let's wait and see. . .

[Straw Man]

It's a good little story. Very interesting, and you introduced it to the thread correctly.


Whether or not it is true is a different story.

[Robert Prey]

Massive Voter Fraud in Virginia

From: Radio Station, WMAL

Dara Fox, Poll Watcher

Woodbridge, Virginia

"Total voter fraud, rampant..."

"Names incorrect on ID..."

"Saw same person voting twice..."

"Address On ID incorrect"

"Many people could not state their own address..
or their current address"

Poll watchers coaching people as to their address
"Is it such and such a street, and such and such an address?"

"Many could not speak English,
...State your name and address
couldn't ansower becaue of couldn't understand English"

"Many,many times voter already checked off as already having voted."

"300 people still in line."

"Had to be people bussed in or paid to vote."

* * *
Another observer:

"People bussed in , given free pizza and soda and, bags of groceries"

Another caller:

"Stephanie Cutter, (Obama Deputy Campaign Mrg.) warned Dem voters

Not to panic when they saw the numbers because everything is going to be OK."

Translation: Not to worry, the fix is in.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/pol...r-fraud-in-va/

[Upchurch]

Originally Posted by Robert Prey

From: Radio Station, WMAL

{snip}

http://www.westernjournalism.com/pol...r-fraud-in-va/

Not exactly impartial sources, are they? Do you get your information from anything that isn't right wing propaganda and/or conspiracy theory?

[Straw Man]

Voter fraud in Virginia, Robert? Who'd have thunk?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...a24_story.html

Quote:

The investigation into the arrest of a man on charges of dumping voter registration forms last month in Harrisonburg, Va., has widened, with state officials probing whether a company tied to top Republican leaders had engaged in voter registration fraud in the key battleground state, according to two persons close to the case.

[Robert Prey]

Voter Fraud Watch: What Happened to Military Ballots in the 2012 Election?

Did Obama's Dept of Defense intentionally suppress Romney voters????

Fox and Friends spoke this morning with former Justice Department official Hans Von Spakovsky who reported a major failure of Dept. of Defense in implementing a state of the art forwarding system. "They failed to use it." Also failed to put in voting assistance offices.
"They have a lot of explaning to do. There was a very, very low turnout amongst military voters ... delays of 15 to 50 days.

A Gallup poll shows 58 percent of veterans prefer Romney, compared to 34 percent who support Obama.


http://foxnewsinsider.com/2012/11/14...on/#more-98786

In the last election,
"McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times."

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/1..._poll_100508w/

The pattern emerging across the nation, especially in Swing States, is that Obama won the election by doing it the Chicago way.

[JayUtah]

Originally Posted by Robert Prey

The pattern emerging across the nation, especially in Swing States, is that Obama won the election by doing it the Chicago way.

No, Robert. Your sources are all simply right-wing nut jobs trying desperately to come to grips with the fact that they lost the election. You have provided absolutely no verifiable evidence of fraud -- only insinuation, supposition, and wacky theories.

And since you continue to spew cherry-picked copypastes without addressing anything said to you in response, is there any point in giving you further attention?

[jargon buster]

Quote:

A Gallup poll shows 58 percent of veterans prefer Romney, compared to 34 percent who support Obama.

I prefer butter to margarine but seldom eat either.

[Myron Proudfoot]

Originally Posted by JayUtah

And since you continue to spew cherry-picked copypastes without addressing anything said to you in response, is there any point in giving you further attention?

I vote no.

[Gawdzilla]

Just in case this hasn't been posted yet.

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[R.A.F.]

Originally Posted by Robert Prey

Fox and Friends...

No bias there...they are "fair and balanced"...they say so themselves.


Sheesh, Robert...