Ketchum claimed that she thought she had been raped by a Bigfoot.

Maldon · 28th November 2012, 12:07 PM

http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2...ember-27-2012/
"Ketchum claimed that she thought she had been raped by a Bigfoot. She went out to her pasture, had some sort of a lost time event, woke a couple of hours later after being unconscious and felt sore in her vaginal area."

Split from The "I killed bigfoot" Justin Smeja interview", found here: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=240031

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RedRatSnake · 28th November 2012, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Maldon

http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2...ember-27-2012/
"Ketchum claimed that she thought she had been raped by a Bigfoot. She went out to her pasture, had some sort of a lost time event, woke a couple of hours later after being unconscious and felt sore in her vaginal area."

She should have taken some fluid samples and did some DNA testing.

Biscuit · 28th November 2012, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Maldon

http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2...ember-27-2012/
"Ketchum claimed that she thought she had been raped by a Bigfoot. She went out to her pasture, had some sort of a lost time event, woke a couple of hours later after being unconscious and felt sore in her vaginal area."

That doesn't sound like a legitimate rape to me.

StankApe · 28th November 2012, 01:25 PM

Quote:

"Ketchum claimed that she thought she had been raped by a Bigfoot. She went out to her pasture, had some sort of a lost time event, woke a couple of hours later after being unconscious and felt sore in her vaginal area."

Somewhere there's a Bigfoot high fiving and drinking bud light while watching football, in fact he will probably write a book called "Do they Serve beer in Hell: The Tucker Squatch story"

Kilaak Kommander · 28th November 2012, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Maldon

http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2...ember-27-2012/
"Ketchum claimed that she thought she had been raped by a Bigfoot. She went out to her pasture, had some sort of a lost time event, woke a couple of hours later after being unconscious and felt sore in her vaginal area."

Future headline: Bigfoot denies responsibility, blames aliens.

dafydd · 28th November 2012, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Maldon

http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2...ember-27-2012/
"Ketchum claimed that she thought she had been raped by a Bigfoot. She went out to her pasture, had some sort of a lost time event, woke a couple of hours later after being unconscious and felt sore in her vaginal area."

A joke about bigfoots and beavers comes to mind. And how do bigfoots get hold of GHB?

AlaskaBushPilot · 28th November 2012, 03:02 PM

You only need GHB for the unwilling.

This looks consensual. The "I was asleep" cover story is as old as the hills.

dafydd · 28th November 2012, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

You only need GHB for the unwilling.

This looks consensual. The "I was asleep" cover story is as old as the hills.

Or a case of ''try telling him that you have a headache.''

Vortigern99 · 28th November 2012, 03:05 PM

I know if I were a woman and I awoke in a field with a vague vulvular ache, I would immediately think "Sasquatch rape". There is simply no other explanation.

MikeG · 29th November 2012, 01:24 AM

I think that just for the record it ought to be said that Ketchum has never made any such claim herself. This rape scenario comes only from the twisted mind that is Robert Lindsay. Visit his blog only if you are prepared to shower afterwards..........

Mike

captain koolaid · 29th November 2012, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by Maldon

http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2...ember-27-2012/
"Ketchum claimed that she thought she had been raped by a Bigfoot. She went out to her pasture, had some sort of a lost time event, woke a couple of hours later after being unconscious and felt sore in her vaginal area."

Yeah, Sasquatches are a bunch of perverts. They're into that funny business. It doesn't surprise me that they got all rapey with Ketchum. I hear they use rohypnol. She should have known better.

Maldon · 29th November 2012, 07:41 AM

In all fairness to the bigfoots, Mr Lindsay also states:

Quote:

I have now learned that she was fully clothed the whole time and wearing jeans. There is no way that a Bigfoot took her jeans off, raped her and then replaced them. Forget it. It now turns out that Ketchum does not think she was actually raped. Instead she was somehow “mind-raped” by a Bigfoot. I suppose that’s possible somehow ...

So the dear creatures are not really raping anyone, they just mind**** them.

s4zando · 29th November 2012, 08:10 AM

So Ketchum is the type of gal who has a reputation for going out in the woods, getting all *un-remember-y* and blaming subsequent vaginal soreness on Bigfoots. I, for one, would like to go camping with her sometime.

SuperFly · 29th November 2012, 08:52 AM

I give about as much credence to Robert Lindsay as I do The Onion. Perhaps we should start referencing The Onion for our facts from now on?...

LTC8K6 · 29th November 2012, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by SuperFly

I give about as much credence to Robert Lindsay as I do The Onion. Perhaps we should start referencing The Onion for our facts from now on?...

The Onion would be just as good on the subject of bigfoot...

Magic 9-Ball · 29th November 2012, 10:15 AM

So if caught, how would you get Bigfoot a jury of his peers?

AlaskaBushPilot · 29th November 2012, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by MikeG

I think that just for the record it ought to be said that Ketchum has never made any such claim herself. This rape scenario comes only from the twisted mind that is Robert Lindsay. Visit his blog only if you are prepared to shower afterwards..........

Mike

Perfect, thanks.

Everything manipulative people do is covered with "plausible deniability". So they insinuate something ludicrous like this, doing everything except saying it explicitly themselves. Then, after eveyone draws the inference she worked to manufacture...

She, her apologists, or anyone seeing the opportunity plays the "blame the victim" card: Ketchum has never made any such claim herself.

The manipulator is the victim now. The targets are treated to shaming. How dare you make up such salactious stories about RAPE. Look at these twisted minds.

What the literature teaches us about manipulative people is that they think the whole thing through. When they are saying their vagina hurts they are consciously setting the ambush on people who conclude exactly what she wants them to conclude: simultaneously denying the thing they are doing while they are doing it.

Thanks for doing her work for her - she has people she can count on. Other wolves in sheep's clothing. In your case partly playing the "servant" role. Just here to clarify for the record. Except that your language is a ridiculous denial of what she was doing, and casting blame on everyone except her.

MikeG · 29th November 2012, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

Thanks for doing her work for her - she has people she can count on. Other wolves in sheep's clothing. In your case partly playing the "servant" role. Just here to clarify for the record. Except that your language is a ridiculous denial of what she was doing, and casting blame on everyone except her.

Are you serious?

Are you really talking about me?

If so, you have just got to be kidding. I haven't ever had any contact with Ketchum, directly or indirectly, have no sympathy for the plight her stupid comments have got her into, and have got no inside knowledge of anything to do with her whatsoever. I have no interest in preserving her reputation.

All I have done is said that the premise of the title of this thread is apparently mis-leading. If she has said that she wasn't raped, which she has, then why abuse me with your nonsense when all I do is point that out? Are you here simply for the sake of character assassination, or are you here for a critical thinker's conversation?

Jesus H.......I expected better.

Mike

s4zando · 29th November 2012, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by SuperFly

I give about as much credence to Robert Lindsay as I do The Onion. Perhaps we should start referencing The Onion for our facts from now on?...

As a noob, so close to links, yet, so far. From: The Onion: Area Man Admits he Saw a Great Show on Bigfoot Last Night

Quote:

LANCASTER, PA—Much to his family's indifference, 44-year-old father of two Bradley Kochner said he enjoyed an interesting show about Bigfoot on the Discovery Channel last night. "They had some neat footage that was shot in Oregon," said Kochner at the dinner table, describing the one-hour Legends Of Sasquatch special, in a desperate attempt to reach bored sons Joel, 13, and Kyle, 11. "If they show it again, I'll tape it. Maybe we can watch it together. Right, guys?" Kochner's wife Laura said her husband has similarly tried to engage his children in discussions about submarines, UFOs, and Pompeii.

dafydd · 29th November 2012, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by s4zando

So Ketchum is the type of gal who has a reputation for going out in the woods, getting all *un-remember-y* and blaming subsequent vaginal soreness on Bigfoots. I, for one, would like to go camping with her sometime.

Human Girls Are Easy, a popular movie amongst figboots.

George152 · 29th November 2012, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by s4zando

So Ketchum is the type of gal who has a reputation for going out in the woods, getting all *un-remember-y* and blaming subsequent vaginal soreness on Bigfoots. I, for one, would like to go camping with her sometime.

So long as you have a small shoe size yes you could get away for the weak end

dafydd · 29th November 2012, 11:44 AM

That myth about big feet, big penis was started by clowns.

Beerina · 29th November 2012, 11:46 AM

You'd think a 10 foot tall guy would have little difficulty finding women to hop aboard him just for the size novelty.

AlaskaBushPilot · 29th November 2012, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by MikeG

Are you serious?

Are you really talking about me?

If so, you have just got to be kidding. I haven't ever had any contact with Ketchum, directly or indirectly, have no sympathy for the plight her stupid comments have got her into, and have got no inside knowledge of anything to do with her whatsoever. I have no interest in preserving her reputation.

All I have done is said that the premise of the title of this thread is apparently mis-leading. If she has said that she wasn't raped, which she has, then why abuse me with your nonsense when all I do is point that out? Are you here simply for the sake of character assassination, or are you here for a critical thinker's conversation?

Jesus H.......I expected better.

Mike

Thanks again.

"All I have done" is called a minimizer.

The ridicule...

The feigned shock/incredulity...

Playing the victim with my odious "character assassination..."

The insult disguised as compliment: "I expected better"

It's an action-packed post of emotional plays, the framing mostly being that you are a victim of an unfair accusation of being a Ketchum "Insider".

I was pretty careful to point out that anyone keen on exploiting manipulative tactics (like all of the above) is going to utilize this ready-made ambush of Ketchum's.

The game is all about one-upmanship for the manipulative mind. It is irrelevant which side of an issue you are on. Every opportunity for putting people in a one-down position is going to be exploited.

That's why I was so grateful for you being the one springing the ambush. Because it is an important lesson for skeptics: The star manipulator does not have to spring the trap. All she has to do is set it, and she'll have people who even masquerade as "true" skeptics doing the heavy lifting for her.

The key insight on understanding the play you made was over-reaching with the "she said nothing of the kind" and the "twisted mind" comments: framing Ketchum as this completely innocent victim and others looking on at this bigfoot sex fantasy of hers as... the twisted minds.

Beautiful. Painting yourself as the skeptic who is just interested in absolute accuracy while reversing the roles of who is responsible for the sex fantasy and who has the twisted mind. It is far better coming from you rather than from one of her boot-licking drone soldiers for its wonderful irony.

That's why I enjoy so much sharing these insights into the manipulative mind. It's fascinating.

Magic 9-Ball · 29th November 2012, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by dafydd

That myth about big feet, big penis was started by clowns.

Bigfoot on trial:

Lawyer: "If it does not fit, you must aquit!"

CynicalSkeptic · 29th November 2012, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by Kilaak Kommander

Future headline: Bigfoot denies responsibility, blames aliens.

Yeah, lost time events almost always involve anal probing aliens with advanced technology, not horny half-man/half-ape creatures who live in the forest.

Metullus · 29th November 2012, 01:22 PM

I'd say I have an alibi but I don't know which time she is talking about...

MikeG · 29th November 2012, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

"All I have done" is called a minimizer.

I don't care what it's called, but I thank you for this nugget.

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

The feigned shock/incredulity...

Nothing feigned at all, I promise you.

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

Playing the victim with my odious "character assassination..."

No playing involved. You attempted a pseudo-intellectual analysis of me, my post and my motives, and you got it completely wrong. In the process, you appear to be doing a hatchet job on me.

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

The insult disguised as compliment: "I expected better"

I did. However, I don't anymore. I've worked out exactly what to expect from you. Let me help you, though, with a little insight. If you carry on discussing me, rather than the subject of the thread, I shall report you.

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

I was pretty careful to point out that anyone keen on exploiting manipulative tactics (like all of the above) is going to utilize this ready-made ambush of Ketchum's.

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

The game is all about one-upmanship for the manipulative mind. It is irrelevant which side of an issue you are on. Every opportunity for putting people in a one-down position is going to be exploited.

Sorry, you are talking about yourself here, aren't you? I can't see anyone else this fits.

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

That's why I was so grateful for you being the one springing the ambush. Because it is an important lesson for skeptics: The star manipulator does not have to spring the trap. All she has to do is set it, and she'll have people who even masquerade as "true" skeptics doing the heavy lifting for her.

Ah, a conspiracy theorist! Hmmm, there's a sub forum for that sort of nonsense. Why don't you take a little wander over there. You'll fit in well.

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

The key insight on understanding the play you made was over-reaching with the "she said nothing of the kind" and the "twisted mind" comments: framing Ketchum as this completely innocent victim and others looking on at this bigfoot sex fantasy of hers as... the twisted minds.

No. She did actually say nothing of the kind. She has denied explicitly that she ever said she was raped by a bigfoot. So, I am right. You are wrong. There is nothing deep and meaningful there.

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

Beautiful. Painting yourself as the skeptic who is just interested in absolute accuracy while reversing the roles of who is responsible for the sex fantasy and who has the twisted mind. It is far better coming from you rather than from one of her boot-licking drone soldiers for its wonderful irony.

I'm reversing no roles. If your twisted logic cannot accept that someone has had something attributed to her incorrectly, then that is your problem, not mine.

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

That's why I enjoy so much sharing these insights into the manipulative mind. It's fascinating.

Yep. It certainly has been insightful. We have all learned an awful lot about the workings of your mind. Thank you.

Now remember, I am not the subject here. If you try and make me the subject, the little red exclamation mark in a triangle under your name will get clicked. Clear?

Mike

Sonny2 · 29th November 2012, 02:44 PM

I personally find this thread rather distasteful and hope it dies a quick death.

AlaskaBushPilot · 29th November 2012, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by MikeG

Now remember, I am not the subject here. If you try and make me the subject, the little red exclamation mark in a triangle under your name will get clicked. Clear?

Mike

Thanks again for the manipulative threat as opposed to an argument. Click away.

It is your tactics which are the point of discussion, and the examples just keep rolling out of your posts.

To stay on point, look how a bizarre stance by Ketchum is turned around upon the skeptics, by an alleged skeptic even, as the skeptics being the unreasonable "twisted" ones.

Edited by kmortis:

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carlitos · 29th November 2012, 03:47 PM

I couldn't help myself so I clicked. That Robert Lindsay guy seems super creepy. He has several blog topics on how men should rightly be attracted to young girls. Not too young, of course just 12-16 or so. On one post, he shows a photo of a nude 12 year old girl, just so you know what he's talking about.

calwaterbear · 29th November 2012, 03:50 PM

Hey ABP back off on this. Mike did nothing more than express personal revulsion to this whole tawdry Robert Linsay fueled BS speculation. Melba has all sorts of issues and character flaws, and is most likely a fraud and a crook. But Lindsey Himself has backed off of this BS, and yet some people here continue to try and pile on with this crap!

I have been one of Melbas biggest critics, and i will continue to be, but how about we actually rise above the skum and deal with facts and informed speculation, instead of spreading wild insinuations and inuendo.

And for you to go one step further, to try and propogate this BS by attacking those who voice opposition to the witch hunt, That, as far as i am concerned is pretty low. I don't like that behavior, and I don't think there is any place for it in this or any other forum.
.
So I've said my piece. go ahead and pull out your psychobabble 101 books so you can commence your long distance psychoanalysis of my flawed character! while you have the books out, do me a favor, look up the definition of bully!
CWB

Sonny2 · 29th November 2012, 03:54 PM

Cal, I have to agree that I thought this was a bit over the edge. I didn't see any of what ABP claimed in Mike's post.

GT/CS · 29th November 2012, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by carlitos

I couldn't help myself so I clicked. That Robert Lindsay guy seems super creepy. He has several blog topics on how men should rightly be attracted to young girls. Not too young, of course just 12-16 or so. On one post, he shows a photo of a nude 12 year old girl, just so you know what he's talking about.

One of the posters in the bigfoot threads has the same issue.

Jodie · 29th November 2012, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Sonny2

I personally find this thread rather distasteful and hope it dies a quick death.

Ditto

StankApe · 29th November 2012, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Sonny2

I personally find this thread rather distasteful and hope it dies a quick death.

yeah.... I have a lot of really funny material for this thread......... But i have decided that it's just wrong to use it....

RedRatSnake · 29th November 2012, 05:23 PM

I'm Out ~

JohnG · 29th November 2012, 05:43 PM

After reading all the posts in this thread I too am experiencing "lost time".

Baffled · 29th November 2012, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Magic 9-Ball

So if caught, how would you get Bigfoot a jury of his peers?

Craigslist?

fromdownunder · 29th November 2012, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot

Thanks again for the manipulative threat as opposed to an argument. Click away.

[snip]

Do you do over analysis all the time, or are you just slumming?

Norm

28th November 2012, 01:17 PM	#3
Biscuit Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,767	Originally Posted by Maldon http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2...ember-27-2012/ "Ketchum claimed that she thought she had been raped by a Bigfoot. She went out to her pasture, had some sort of a lost time event, woke a couple of hours later after being unconscious and felt sore in her vaginal area." That doesn't sound like a legitimate rape to me.
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28th November 2012, 01:25 PM	#4
StankApe Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,643	Quote: "Ketchum claimed that she thought she had been raped by a Bigfoot. She went out to her pasture, had some sort of a lost time event, woke a couple of hours later after being unconscious and felt sore in her vaginal area." Somewhere there's a Bigfoot high fiving and drinking bud light while watching football, in fact he will probably write a book called "Do they Serve beer in Hell: The Tucker Squatch story"
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28th November 2012, 01:42 PM	#6
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,456	Originally Posted by Maldon http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2...ember-27-2012/ "Ketchum claimed that she thought she had been raped by a Bigfoot. She went out to her pasture, had some sort of a lost time event, woke a couple of hours later after being unconscious and felt sore in her vaginal area." A joke about bigfoots and beavers comes to mind. And how do bigfoots get hold of GHB?
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28th November 2012, 03:04 PM	#8
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,456	Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot You only need GHB for the unwilling. This looks consensual. The "I was asleep" cover story is as old as the hills. Or a case of ''try telling him that you have a headache.''
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28th November 2012, 03:05 PM	#9
Vortigern99 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,016	I know if I were a woman and I awoke in a field with a vague vulvular ache, I would immediately think "Sasquatch rape". There is simply no other explanation.
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28th November 2012, 12:10 PM	#2
RedRatSnake Slithering Through life Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southie, Massachusetts. Posts: 1,625	Originally Posted by Maldon http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2...ember-27-2012/ "Ketchum claimed that she thought she had been raped by a Bigfoot. She went out to her pasture, had some sort of a lost time event, woke a couple of hours later after being unconscious and felt sore in her vaginal area." She should have taken some fluid samples and did some DNA testing.

28th November 2012, 01:25 PM	#5
Kilaak Kommander Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Happy Valley Posts: 316	Originally Posted by Maldon http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2...ember-27-2012/ "Ketchum claimed that she thought she had been raped by a Bigfoot. She went out to her pasture, had some sort of a lost time event, woke a couple of hours later after being unconscious and felt sore in her vaginal area." Future headline: Bigfoot denies responsibility, blames aliens.

28th November 2012, 03:02 PM	#7
AlaskaBushPilot Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,609	You only need GHB for the unwilling. This looks consensual. The "I was asleep" cover story is as old as the hills.

29th November 2012, 01:24 AM	#10
MikeG Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: UK Posts: 1,546	I think that just for the record it ought to be said that Ketchum has never made any such claim herself. This rape scenario comes only from the twisted mind that is Robert Lindsay. Visit his blog only if you are prepared to shower afterwards.......... Mike
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29th November 2012, 02:17 AM	#11
captain koolaid Critical Thinker Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 331	Originally Posted by Maldon http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2...ember-27-2012/ "Ketchum claimed that she thought she had been raped by a Bigfoot. She went out to her pasture, had some sort of a lost time event, woke a couple of hours later after being unconscious and felt sore in her vaginal area." Yeah, Sasquatches are a bunch of perverts. They're into that funny business. It doesn't surprise me that they got all rapey with Ketchum. I hear they use rohypnol. She should have known better.
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29th November 2012, 07:41 AM	#12
Maldon Thinker Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 143	In all fairness to the bigfoots, Mr Lindsay also states: Quote: I have now learned that she was fully clothed the whole time and wearing jeans. There is no way that a Bigfoot took her jeans off, raped her and then replaced them. Forget it. It now turns out that Ketchum does not think she was actually raped. Instead she was somehow “mind-raped” by a Bigfoot. I suppose that’s possible somehow ... So the dear creatures are not really raping anyone, they just mind**** them.
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29th November 2012, 08:10 AM	#13
s4zando Thinker Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Upper Midwest USA Posts: 184	So Ketchum is the type of gal who has a reputation for going out in the woods, getting all un-remember-y and blaming subsequent vaginal soreness on Bigfoots. I, for one, would like to go camping with her sometime.

29th November 2012, 08:52 AM	#14
SuperFly New Blood Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 17	I give about as much credence to Robert Lindsay as I do The Onion. Perhaps we should start referencing The Onion for our facts from now on?...
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LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,651	Originally Posted by SuperFly I give about as much credence to Robert Lindsay as I do The Onion. Perhaps we should start referencing The Onion for our facts from now on?... The Onion would be just as good on the subject of bigfoot...
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29th November 2012, 10:15 AM	#16
Magic 9-Ball Hey, that's a good name for a band! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Here, on my way to there. Posts: 1,508	So if caught, how would you get Bigfoot a jury of his peers?
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29th November 2012, 10:16 AM	#17
AlaskaBushPilot Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,609	Originally Posted by MikeG I think that just for the record it ought to be said that Ketchum has never made any such claim herself. This rape scenario comes only from the twisted mind that is Robert Lindsay. Visit his blog only if you are prepared to shower afterwards.......... Mike Perfect, thanks. Everything manipulative people do is covered with "plausible deniability". So they insinuate something ludicrous like this, doing everything except saying it explicitly themselves. Then, after eveyone draws the inference she worked to manufacture... She, her apologists, or anyone seeing the opportunity plays the "blame the victim" card: Ketchum has never made any such claim herself. The manipulator is the victim now. The targets are treated to shaming. How dare you make up such salactious stories about RAPE. Look at these twisted minds. What the literature teaches us about manipulative people is that they think the whole thing through. When they are saying their vagina hurts they are consciously setting the ambush on people who conclude exactly what she wants them to conclude: simultaneously denying the thing they are doing while they are doing it. Thanks for doing her work for her - she has people she can count on. Other wolves in sheep's clothing. In your case partly playing the "servant" role. Just here to clarify for the record. Except that your language is a ridiculous denial of what she was doing, and casting blame on everyone except her.

29th November 2012, 10:28 AM	#18
MikeG Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: UK Posts: 1,546	Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot Thanks for doing her work for her - she has people she can count on. Other wolves in sheep's clothing. In your case partly playing the "servant" role. Just here to clarify for the record. Except that your language is a ridiculous denial of what she was doing, and casting blame on everyone except her. Are you serious? Are you really talking about me? If so, you have just got to be kidding. I haven't ever had any contact with Ketchum, directly or indirectly, have no sympathy for the plight her stupid comments have got her into, and have got no inside knowledge of anything to do with her whatsoever. I have no interest in preserving her reputation. All I have done is said that the premise of the title of this thread is apparently mis-leading. If she has said that she wasn't raped, which she has, then why abuse me with your nonsense when all I do is point that out? Are you here simply for the sake of character assassination, or are you here for a critical thinker's conversation? Jesus H.......I expected better. Mike

29th November 2012, 11:11 AM	#19
s4zando Thinker Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Upper Midwest USA Posts: 184	Originally Posted by SuperFly I give about as much credence to Robert Lindsay as I do The Onion. Perhaps we should start referencing The Onion for our facts from now on?... As a noob, so close to links, yet, so far. From: The Onion: Area Man Admits he Saw a Great Show on Bigfoot Last Night Quote: LANCASTER, PA—Much to his family's indifference, 44-year-old father of two Bradley Kochner said he enjoyed an interesting show about Bigfoot on the Discovery Channel last night. "They had some neat footage that was shot in Oregon," said Kochner at the dinner table, describing the one-hour Legends Of Sasquatch special, in a desperate attempt to reach bored sons Joel, 13, and Kyle, 11. "If they show it again, I'll tape it. Maybe we can watch it together. Right, guys?" Kochner's wife Laura said her husband has similarly tried to engage his children in discussions about submarines, UFOs, and Pompeii.

29th November 2012, 11:28 AM	#20
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,456	Originally Posted by s4zando So Ketchum is the type of gal who has a reputation for going out in the woods, getting all un-remember-y and blaming subsequent vaginal soreness on Bigfoots. I, for one, would like to go camping with her sometime. Human Girls Are Easy, a popular movie amongst figboots.
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29th November 2012, 11:35 AM	#21
George152 Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hamilton New Zealand Posts: 2,042	Originally Posted by s4zando So Ketchum is the type of gal who has a reputation for going out in the woods, getting all un-remember-y and blaming subsequent vaginal soreness on Bigfoots. I, for one, would like to go camping with her sometime. So long as you have a small shoe size yes you could get away for the weak end
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29th November 2012, 11:44 AM	#22
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,456	That myth about big feet, big penis was started by clowns.
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29th November 2012, 11:46 AM	#23
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29th November 2012, 11:58 AM	#24
AlaskaBushPilot Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,609	Originally Posted by MikeG Are you serious? Are you really talking about me? If so, you have just got to be kidding. I haven't ever had any contact with Ketchum, directly or indirectly, have no sympathy for the plight her stupid comments have got her into, and have got no inside knowledge of anything to do with her whatsoever. I have no interest in preserving her reputation. All I have done is said that the premise of the title of this thread is apparently mis-leading. If she has said that she wasn't raped, which she has, then why abuse me with your nonsense when all I do is point that out? Are you here simply for the sake of character assassination, or are you here for a critical thinker's conversation? Jesus H.......I expected better. Mike Thanks again. "All I have done" is called a minimizer. The ridicule... The feigned shock/incredulity... Playing the victim with my odious "character assassination..." The insult disguised as compliment: "I expected better" It's an action-packed post of emotional plays, the framing mostly being that you are a victim of an unfair accusation of being a Ketchum "Insider". I was pretty careful to point out that anyone keen on exploiting manipulative tactics (like all of the above) is going to utilize this ready-made ambush of Ketchum's. The game is all about one-upmanship for the manipulative mind. It is irrelevant which side of an issue you are on. Every opportunity for putting people in a one-down position is going to be exploited. That's why I was so grateful for you being the one springing the ambush. Because it is an important lesson for skeptics: The star manipulator does not have to spring the trap. All she has to do is set it, and she'll have people who even masquerade as "true" skeptics doing the heavy lifting for her. The key insight on understanding the play you made was over-reaching with the "she said nothing of the kind" and the "twisted mind" comments: framing Ketchum as this completely innocent victim and others looking on at this bigfoot sex fantasy of hers as... the twisted minds. Beautiful. Painting yourself as the skeptic who is just interested in absolute accuracy while reversing the roles of who is responsible for the sex fantasy and who has the twisted mind. It is far better coming from you rather than from one of her boot-licking drone soldiers for its wonderful irony. That's why I enjoy so much sharing these insights into the manipulative mind. It's fascinating.

29th November 2012, 12:20 PM	#25
Magic 9-Ball Hey, that's a good name for a band! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Here, on my way to there. Posts: 1,508	Originally Posted by dafydd That myth about big feet, big penis was started by clowns. Bigfoot on trial: Lawyer: "If it does not fit, you must aquit!"
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29th November 2012, 01:09 PM	#26
CynicalSkeptic Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: state of denial Posts: 1,360	Originally Posted by Kilaak Kommander Future headline: Bigfoot denies responsibility, blames aliens. Yeah, lost time events almost always involve anal probing aliens with advanced technology, not horny half-man/half-ape creatures who live in the forest.

29th November 2012, 01:22 PM	#27
Metullus Forum ¾-Wit Pro Tem Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Waldo's Pond Posts: 3,963	I'd say I have an alibi but I don't know which time she is talking about...
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29th November 2012, 01:37 PM	#28
MikeG Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: UK Posts: 1,546	Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot "All I have done" is called a minimizer. I don't care what it's called, but I thank you for this nugget. Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot The feigned shock/incredulity... Nothing feigned at all, I promise you. Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot Playing the victim with my odious "character assassination..." No playing involved. You attempted a pseudo-intellectual analysis of me, my post and my motives, and you got it completely wrong. In the process, you appear to be doing a hatchet job on me. Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot The insult disguised as compliment: "I expected better" I did. However, I don't anymore. I've worked out exactly what to expect from you. Let me help you, though, with a little insight. If you carry on discussing me, rather than the subject of the thread, I shall report you. Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot I was pretty careful to point out that anyone keen on exploiting manipulative tactics (like all of the above) is going to utilize this ready-made ambush of Ketchum's. Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot The game is all about one-upmanship for the manipulative mind. It is irrelevant which side of an issue you are on. Every opportunity for putting people in a one-down position is going to be exploited. Sorry, you are talking about yourself here, aren't you? I can't see anyone else this fits. Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot That's why I was so grateful for you being the one springing the ambush. Because it is an important lesson for skeptics: The star manipulator does not have to spring the trap. All she has to do is set it, and she'll have people who even masquerade as "true" skeptics doing the heavy lifting for her. Ah, a conspiracy theorist! Hmmm, there's a sub forum for that sort of nonsense. Why don't you take a little wander over there. You'll fit in well. Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot The key insight on understanding the play you made was over-reaching with the "she said nothing of the kind" and the "twisted mind" comments: framing Ketchum as this completely innocent victim and others looking on at this bigfoot sex fantasy of hers as... the twisted minds. No. She did actually say nothing of the kind. She has denied explicitly that she ever said she was raped by a bigfoot. So, I am right. You are wrong. There is nothing deep and meaningful there. Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot Beautiful. Painting yourself as the skeptic who is just interested in absolute accuracy while reversing the roles of who is responsible for the sex fantasy and who has the twisted mind. It is far better coming from you rather than from one of her boot-licking drone soldiers for its wonderful irony. I'm reversing no roles. If your twisted logic cannot accept that someone has had something attributed to her incorrectly, then that is your problem, not mine. Originally Posted by AlaskaBushPilot That's why I enjoy so much sharing these insights into the manipulative mind. It's fascinating. Yep. It certainly has been insightful. We have all learned an awful lot about the workings of your mind. Thank you. Now remember, I am not the subject here. If you try and make me the subject, the little red exclamation mark in a triangle under your name will get clicked. Clear? Mike

29th November 2012, 02:44 PM	#29
Sonny2 Muse Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Dust on the Wind Posts: 669	I personally find this thread rather distasteful and hope it dies a quick death.

29th November 2012, 03:47 PM	#31
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 11,513	I couldn't help myself so I clicked. That Robert Lindsay guy seems super creepy. He has several blog topics on how men should rightly be attracted to young girls. Not too young, of course just 12-16 or so. On one post, he shows a photo of a nude 12 year old girl, just so you know what he's talking about.

29th November 2012, 03:50 PM	#32
calwaterbear Thinker Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 232	Hey ABP back off on this. Mike did nothing more than express personal revulsion to this whole tawdry Robert Linsay fueled BS speculation. Melba has all sorts of issues and character flaws, and is most likely a fraud and a crook. But Lindsey Himself has backed off of this BS, and yet some people here continue to try and pile on with this crap! I have been one of Melbas biggest critics, and i will continue to be, but how about we actually rise above the skum and deal with facts and informed speculation, instead of spreading wild insinuations and inuendo. And for you to go one step further, to try and propogate this BS by attacking those who voice opposition to the witch hunt, That, as far as i am concerned is pretty low. I don't like that behavior, and I don't think there is any place for it in this or any other forum. . So I've said my piece. go ahead and pull out your psychobabble 101 books so you can commence your long distance psychoanalysis of my flawed character! while you have the books out, do me a favor, look up the definition of bully! CWB
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29th November 2012, 03:54 PM	#33
Sonny2 Muse Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Dust on the Wind Posts: 669	Cal, I have to agree that I thought this was a bit over the edge. I didn't see any of what ABP claimed in Mike's post.

29th November 2012, 03:54 PM	#34
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,591	Originally Posted by carlitos I couldn't help myself so I clicked. That Robert Lindsay guy seems super creepy. He has several blog topics on how men should rightly be attracted to young girls. Not too young, of course just 12-16 or so. On one post, he shows a photo of a nude 12 year old girl, just so you know what he's talking about. One of the posters in the bigfoot threads has the same issue.
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29th November 2012, 05:05 PM	#35
Jodie Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,906	Originally Posted by Sonny2 I personally find this thread rather distasteful and hope it dies a quick death. Ditto
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29th November 2012, 05:10 PM	#36
StankApe Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,643	Originally Posted by Sonny2 I personally find this thread rather distasteful and hope it dies a quick death. yeah.... I have a lot of really funny material for this thread......... But i have decided that it's just wrong to use it....
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29th November 2012, 05:23 PM	#37
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