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4th December 2012, 04:48 PM | #361 |
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And there are perhaps septillions of planets in the universe. 1 septillion inches would be nearly 2,685,000 light years.
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Drake Equation and results:
R* = 1/year (1 stars formed per year, on the average over the life of the galaxy; this was regarded as conservative) fp = 0.2-0.5 (one fifth to one half of all stars formed will have planets) ne = 1-5 (stars with planets will have between 1 and 5 planets capable of developing life) fl = 1 (100% of these planets will develop life) fi = 1 (100% of which will develop intelligent life) fc = 0.1-0.2 (10-20% of which will be able to communicate) L = 1000-100,000,000 years (which will last somewhere between 1000 and 100,000,000 years) Drake states that given the uncertainties, the original meeting concluded that N ≈ L, and there were probably between 1000 and 100,000,000 civilizations in the galaxy. ETA: apparently the format of the equation itself didn't work in the forums format parameters |
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Perhaps you are simply a contrarian troll. Maybe you are simply obstreperous and have a psychological need for conflict, and this makes you willing to present arguments that you know are appallingly asinine, because you don't care how it reflects on you as long as you can contradict people.
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What you fail to realize is that you have posted a lie.
You may try to divert the issue to my supposed "confusion" (interesting how anytime someone points out your errors, they are "confused"), but the truth is, right there in black and white, you rode your hobbyhorse about skeptics being ruled by fear into the post, then pretended that you had provided source for your quote. If they are your words, why did you format them as a quote? If they are not your words, why did you fail to provide a source? If the article does not support the quote, why is it there, without provenance, segue, or justification? Once again, there is no dishonor in admitting a mistake. There is great dishonor in trying to cover it up, or to divert attention from it, or to lie your way out of it. SSDD |
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When fifteen different people each try fifteen different ways to explain to something to a person, and that person still does not appear to understand, then one of two possibilities exist;
1. The person does not want to understand 2. The person is too stupid to understand The essential difference between sceptic and CT; A sceptic has views and opinions based on available evidence, and if that evidence changes or new evidence is found, the sceptic is prepared to reassess their view in favour of the supporting evidence. A CT has views based on unbridled speculation and unscientific evidence and no matter how much accurate and verifiable evidence they are presented with that their view is wrong, they will never change it, rather they will first attack the person presenting the evidence and when that fails, they will attack the way the evidence was obtained, and when that fails, they will call the whole of science into question. |
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The reason they have to go farther into space is because there are no signs of ETI in our neighborhood. And the SETI search is broadbased scanning millions of stars. You read the quote challenging Sagan.
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If you take it to a dealer, you'll get a technician who's been trained to follow a diagnostic procedure which was devised by an engineer using scientific method.
I'm too cheap to go to a dealer so I stick to DIY. I cut out the middle men and go straight to the scientific method and diagnose the fault myself. |
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I challenge you, among the clutter of all of your other pending problems, to give one honest citation of a skeptic's brain (or, for that matter, any human brain--I'm feeling generous) emitting what you call "fear signals". Book, chapter, verse, or admit you made it up.
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Carl Sagan explains the Drake Equation.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x27...h#.UL6RqIYlD4w |
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Well, no.
As usual, you attempted to apply your limited definition to a group of thinkers to which you do not (by your own claim) belong...a bit of chutzpah the temerity of which you seem to be blissfully unaware. The you claimed that group of people to be insecure and motivated by fear--with no support other than your own opinion. An opinion that sits poorly with your need to resort to calumny, attempted insult, and attempted character assassination rather than addressing issues. Then you presented your unsupported opinion as if it were a quote form an article. The article you presented said nothing about skeptic's brains, dealing instead with fear in the brains of conditioned laboratory rats. Wrong 4 times. |
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You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but quite seriously this is so many orders of magnitude removed from anything approaching reality that I stand frankly amazed.
The pinnacle of man-made long distance travel has now, after 3½ decades, reached the edge of our solar system. Having jumped that puddle, the next closest star is an ocean away. The edge of our galaxy, mere fantasy. |
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I post wayyy too much, but I'm unemployed right now and have nothing better to do but complete job apps online and peruse the baseball hot stove updates... oh and post here!
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I can assure you I would not forget anything like that.
30 thousand light years to the edge of the Milky Way. Well over 2 million light years to the next nearest galaxy (if I recall correctly). Better pack extra sandwiches. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. |
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I think they do the scientific method in mathematics as well:
confront problem, form hypothesis of equation to solve problem, test hypothesis by completing equation, analyze results to see why the answer does or does not solve the problem. so neener |
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the NEXT generation of rockets?
more like the 475,000th next generation of rockets. |
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Perhaps the plans were stolen by a princess?
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I've got a bad toothache myself, but still.
One ought to be held to some minimal standard of evidence if they want to make straw man arguments against Carl Sagan, skepticism, and science as a whole. |
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I would like to thank the OP as I had never read The Demon Haunted World (cuz I'm an idiot and never got around to it) but this thread inspired me to get 6 of his books for my Nook and I will be enjoying them over the next few weeks!
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