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Old 17th December 2012, 04:20 AM   #1
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Animal killing and hokey medicine

I've just saw an advert for the WWF on tv telling a story of a found tiger which died as a result of snare injuries. During the ad, the narrator mentioned how the tigers were killed by poachers and bodies parts were sold off as medicine.

I wondered just how extensive this problem was. How many animals have been trapped and killed in the name of alternative medicines? The other really obvious one would be rhino horn but I wondered what else was out there?
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Old 17th December 2012, 04:30 AM   #2
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Rhinoceros, Water Buffalo, Chinese Alligator, Asian Elephant, Musk Deer, Sun Bear, Grevy’s Zebra, Tiger, Banteng and the Hawksbill Sea Turtle seem to be the most effected.
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Old 17th December 2012, 08:04 AM   #3
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And in a truly ironic twist:

At least one of these "alternative medicines" -- bile from bear gall bladder for liver disease, -- has been shown to actually work, and the active ingredient, ursodeoxycholic acid, has been identified, synthesized, and now sold as medicine.

You'd think this would stop killing of bears for their gall bladder? All too many Chinese do not believe the synthtic medicine because it is so much cheaper!
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Old 17th December 2012, 09:38 AM   #4
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I recently read (sorry, forgot where; I read a lot) that trade in illegal animals was the third largest black market; behind drugs and weapons. So, pretty big stuff. Damn shame, too.
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Old 17th December 2012, 10:03 AM   #5
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This is huge, huge, huge........and it is going on under our noses.

Now that the tiger is getting rare and expensive, the Chinese have turned their attention to lions. These are getting poached now, and are in serious decline. In fact, wildlife poaching in Africa has skyrocketted since the Chinese colonisation of the continent began about 8 or 10 years ago. 90% of poaching in Zambia, for instance, happens within 20 miles of a Chinese project......and there are LOTS of those.

Pangolins are another of their favourites.

Before the world wakes up the rhino, already saved once, will be just about beyond saving, tigers will be rare as hen's teeth, and lions will be in huge trouble. All because of Chinese & Vietnamese traditional medicine. The Africans cannot fight China by themselves.

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Old 17th December 2012, 11:35 AM   #6
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Yes but when it comes to rinos neither can we. This is from Norwich castle:
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Old 17th December 2012, 03:59 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
This is huge, huge, huge........and it is going on under our noses.

Now that the tiger is getting rare and expensive, the Chinese have turned their attention to lions. These are getting poached now, and are in serious decline. In fact, wildlife poaching in Africa has skyrocketted since the Chinese colonisation of the continent began about 8 or 10 years ago. 90% of poaching in Zambia, for instance, happens within 20 miles of a Chinese project......and there are LOTS of those.

Pangolins are another of their favourites.

Before the world wakes up the rhino, already saved once, will be just about beyond saving, tigers will be rare as hen's teeth, and lions will be in huge trouble. All because of Chinese & Vietnamese traditional medicine. The Africans cannot fight China by themselves.

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It's not just about bad medicine.
Lots of idiots want a tiger as a pet.
I've heard that there are more privately owned tigers in the U.S., than in the wild.
Bush meat is another issue, which I see as political. Various 'civil' wars and genocidal revolutions have squeezed people into eating and selling whatever they can kill.
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Old 19th December 2012, 06:43 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by quarky View Post
It's not just about bad medicine.
Lots of idiots want a tiger as a pet.
I've heard that there are more privately owned tigers in the U.S., than in the wild.
That is true, but why do you think it is a bad thing? It's not like any of these privately owned tigers were taken from the wild -- they are all captive-born, as tigers breed in captivity better than most animals. Famous "white tigers" often used in Las Vegas shows never existed in the wild in the first place -- it's a recent domestic mutation.

Domesticating a species is the best way to prevent its extinction.
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Old 19th December 2012, 10:49 AM   #9
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Recent reports on NPR's The World indicate that such poaching and illegal animal trade is rapidly expanding into organized crime.
Previously, indigenous, impoverished peoples would be tempted to take a rhino or elephant to make a few bucks.
Now, heavily-armed gangs, hunting from helicopters, are slaughtering animals in large numbers, and intimidating understaffed and underarmed wardens and buying off local authorities.
It's an ugly trade.
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Old 19th December 2012, 10:59 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by Mark6 View Post
You'd think this would stop killing of bears for their gall bladder?
As I understand it, the bears aren't generally killed directly for their gall bladders, but caged and catheterised so bile can be collected 'on tap', while the bear still survives. The bears eventually die prematurely after a horrible 'living death'. Some might say this is worse than killing them immediately, although a few have been rescued.
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Originally Posted by dlorde View Post
As I understand it, the bears aren't generally killed directly for their gall bladders, but caged and catheterised so bile can be collected 'on tap', while the bear still survives. The bears eventually die prematurely after a horrible 'living death'. Some might say this is worse than killing them immediately, although a few have been rescued.
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Originally Posted by Bikewer View Post
Recent reports on NPR's The World indicate that such poaching and illegal animal trade is rapidly expanding into organized crime.
Previously, indigenous, impoverished peoples would be tempted to take a rhino or elephant to make a few bucks.
Now, heavily-armed gangs, hunting from helicopters, are slaughtering animals in large numbers, and intimidating understaffed and underarmed wardens and buying off local authorities.
It's an ugly trade.
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Originally Posted by Mark6 View Post
That is true, but why do you think it is a bad thing? It's not like any of these privately owned tigers were taken from the wild -- they are all captive-born, as tigers breed in captivity better than most animals. Famous "white tigers" often used in Las Vegas shows never existed in the wild in the first place -- it's a recent domestic mutation.

Domesticating a species is the best way to prevent its extinction.
Perhaps tigers were a bad example.
There's a large black market for all manner of 'pets'; some don't fare well.
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Old 20th December 2012, 09:06 AM   #14
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Perhaps tigers were a bad example.
There's a large black market for all manner of 'pets'; some don't fare well.
You want a good example? Saltwater aquarium fish.

Freshwater aquarium fish breed well in captivity, at least if you know what you are doing -- and livebearers such as guppies will breed even if you don't know what you are doing. Whereas saltwater fish are almost all taken from the wild. Except for clownfish and maybe couple other species, they are incredibly difficult to get to spawn in a tank.
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