Is Thomas Kincaid the reincarnation of Adolph Hitler?

Cainkane1 · 15th December 2012, 09:19 AM

I believe Hitler and Thomas stye of painting have a lot in common.

Skeptical Greg · 15th December 2012, 10:04 AM

Was?

Professor Yaffle · 15th December 2012, 10:32 AM

No.

Shrike · 15th December 2012, 08:39 PM

*Adolf*

Battman · 15th December 2012, 09:43 PM

Evidence? Samples? Show us something here.
The difference would be that Hitler likely actually painted his pictures himself instead of having them produced on assembly lines.
Not that I'm a fan of Kincaid's "art". I think it's crap.

Aepervius · 15th December 2012, 10:51 PM

reincanation does not exists beyond fantasy /thread.

dafydd · 16th December 2012, 05:53 AM

No.

Cainkane1 · 16th December 2012, 06:31 AM

This post was basically frivolous in that I'm an atheist who doelsn't believe in anything supernatural. This includes woo woo of all kinds. The only similarities between Hitler and Kincade is that both were atrocious artists with Hitlers art being just a bit better.

Maybe if Hitler had specialized in cutsy garbage like Kincade he sould have supported himself with seasonal postcards featuring snow, Chris Kringle and bunnys.

Doubt · 16th December 2012, 06:38 AM

Another thing they both have in common: They are both dead!!!!!!!!1111!

TubbaBlubba · 16th December 2012, 06:42 AM

I don't think you can compare them. One was a tyrannical despot forcing his twisted ideals on masses of common people, resulting in uncountable atrocities.

Hitler, on the other hand, did wear a really ugly moustasche.

Fitter · 16th December 2012, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by Doubt

Another thing they both have in common: They are both dead!!!!!!!!1111!

You know who else is dead? Hitler.

Travis · 16th December 2012, 09:30 AM

At this point I should point out that my paintings from college looked a lot like both of their painting styles while resembling Hitler's just a bit more. And like Hitler I always avoided putting people in my work because....well I always thought people ruined it.

DragonLady · 16th December 2012, 10:12 AM

Kincaid was actually a decent artist, but he decided to go for the money and create what sold. Whether you like it or hate it, you can't argue with his sales figures.

Dr.Sid · 16th December 2012, 10:16 AM

Nobody is reincarnation of anybody.

mikeyx · 16th December 2012, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Cainkane1

I believe Hitler and Thomas stye of painting have a lot in common.

I hear acoo coo clock sounding off somewhere

calebprime · 16th December 2012, 12:22 PM

Looking at some Hitler:

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isc...ac.6D7pggDYHNM

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/2.../LON106_wa.jpg
This one I linked to here strikes me as one of the more garish Hitler paintings -- the color seems awful, and he puts way too much random crosshatchy stubble stuff in the foreground where you see it even if you don't want to.

This Hitler painting doesn't strike me as all that bad:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-REuDIiw3kU...vel+Europe.jpg Hitler, after all, loved architecture, and maybe it shows.

Thomas Kinkaid:

http://www.bransongrandvillage.com/i...-Thomas001.jpg

It looks to me like Kinkaid is lusher, fuller, more chock full o' details, especially insanely cheerful ones.

Hitler, from what I understand, was rather lazy -- I can't imagine him working hard enough to paint something with as much ghastly over-pretty detail in it as Kinkaid, with all that careful but horrible rendering of lighting effects.

Some of the Hitler stuff is not awful. All of the Kinkaid is worse than awful, imo.

I doubt Hitler had the skill to get all the deer and other critters right.

These are my untrained first impressions.

Hitler was, at least, a self-styled intellectual -- knew some Schopenhauer and Wagner. Kinkaid is just going for sheer kitsch. Kinkaid shows more industry, more chops.

Gord_in_Toronto · 16th December 2012, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Cainkane1

This post was basically frivolous in that I'm an atheist who doelsn't believe in anything supernatural. This includes woo woo of all kinds. The only similarities between Hitler and Kincade is that both were atrocious artists with Hitlers art being just a bit better.

Maybe if Hitler had specialized in cutsy garbage like Kincade he sould have supported himself with seasonal postcards featuring snow, Chris Kringle and bunnys.

I'm not going to pay any attention to this thread. You left out an apostrophe in "Hitlers".

StankApe · 16th December 2012, 07:06 PM

Oh god when I see those Kinkaide paintings I feel like I've wandered into the ficiton section of a D&D shop.

Twee I can handle. I'm even capable of managing a little "syrupy" but that stuff is like spoon feeding yourself an entire gallon of icing.

TragicMonkey · 17th December 2012, 06:09 AM

Why are all of Kinkaide's houses on fire inside? Even in broad daylight all windows are full of a ruddy orange glow that speaks of internal fires raging.

calebprime · 17th December 2012, 06:13 AM

I do think he was a very angry, very sick man.

timhau · 17th December 2012, 07:05 AM

Originally Posted by Travis

And like Hitler I always avoided putting people in my work because....well I always thought people ruined it.

That's OK, as long as you don't strive to make reality imitate your art.

Beerina · 17th December 2012, 07:34 AM

No. Whatever else, Kincaid had technical skill.

Damien Evans · 17th December 2012, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by TubbaBlubba

I don't think you can compare them. One was a tyrannical despot forcing his twisted ideals on masses of common people, resulting in uncountable atrocities.

Hitler, on the other hand, did wear a really ugly moustasche.

Hitler: Would have won WW2, if only he had worn a Fu Manchu.

Captain_Swoop · 17th December 2012, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by calebprime

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/2.../LON106_wa.jpg
This one I linked to here strikes me as one of the more garish Hitler paintings -- the color seems awful, and he puts way too much random crosshatchy stubble stuff in the foreground where you see it even if you don't want to.
.

That's the one I like, Kind of a Post Impressionist feel to it.

calebprime · 17th December 2012, 08:19 AM

Heh.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=post-...r:70,s:0,i:305

calebprime on art: "Van Gogh puts way too much field-with-daubs-of-flowers in the foreground, where you don't want to see it."

I'd be hard pressed to say why I like the Van Gogh and don't like the Hitler, other than prejudice. So, I admit incompetence. But everything Van Gogh did looks good to me, or better than good.

Maybe if I saw a better reproduction of the Hitler --or the original -- I'd like the color more. So any discussion of color-choice is compromised by distortion from the reproductions.

I think that in the Hitler I don't like the white strokes in the foreground field, because they're not differentiated from where they meet the buildings, and even extend into the buildings, especially toward the left.

That to me neither looks realistic, clever, nor good-to-look-at. If that's the way the artist felt, I don't want to go there.

I can't see why Hitler puts his purple-white little hill so much in the center in what is an otherwise peaceful scene, and how those impatient strokes are supposed to work with the sky.

As I'm seeing the Hitler in reproduction now, the color combinations are truly queasy. And when I look at the white strokes as they meet the buildings, they seem to leap off the ground for no reason. Not passion-strokes, but impatient strokes. It looks like amateur painting to me, but I couldn't say exactly why. That's where training would come in.

I can't see any reason why the building on the right is all washed out by white paint -- that's maybe the way it looked to him at the time, but it doesn't look good to me.

Van Gogh I've already fallen in love with, so I trust him even if I don't get it at first. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Turner, for example, is doing angels and birds, so all that motion and crazy brush strokes make sense, plus he puts his angel right in the center.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Engli...r:89,s:0,i:362

In good art, there's some kind of way the technique serves the expressive intent, the theme, the subject matter.

Van Gogh at his most rapturous was still a master, but I don't have the ability to say why.

Please, someone who knows what she's talking about, help me out here!

eta: another attempt at flaw-finding with the Hitler: The church is center, but it's sort of dominated by the rather sickly trio of trees. The trees dominate, but they seem to be drawn in this perfunctory way.

headscratcher4 · 17th December 2012, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Why are all of Kinkaide's houses on fire inside? Even in broad daylight all windows are full of a ruddy orange glow that speaks of internal fires raging.

Because in every Kinkaide house there is some sort of satan coven in the midst of some sort of sacrificial ritual... obviously.

DragonLady · 17th December 2012, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by calebprime

Heh.

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=post-...r:70,s:0,i:305

calebprime on art: "Van Gogh puts way too much field-with-daubs-of-flowers in the foreground, where you don't want to see it."

I'd be hard pressed to say why I like the Van Gogh and don't like the Hitler, other than prejudice. So, I admit incompetence. But everything Van Gogh did looks good to me, or better than good.

Maybe if I saw a better reproduction of the Hitler --or the original -- I'd like the color more. So any discussion of color-choice is compromised by distortion from the reproductions.

I think that in the Hitler I don't like the white strokes in the foreground field, because they're not differentiated from where they meet the buildings, and even extend into the buildings, especially toward the left.

That to me neither looks realistic, clever, nor good-to-look-at. If that's the way the artist felt, I don't want to go there.

I can't see why Hitler puts his purple-white little hill so much in the center in what is an otherwise peaceful scene, and how those impatient strokes are supposed to work with the sky.

As I'm seeing the Hitler in reproduction now, the color combinations are truly queasy. And when I look at the white strokes as they meet the buildings, they seem to leap off the ground for no reason. Not passion-strokes, but impatient strokes. It looks like amateur painting to me, but I couldn't say exactly why. That's where training would come in.

I can't see any reason why the building on the right is all washed out by white paint -- that's maybe the way it looked to him at the time, but it doesn't look good to me.

Van Gogh I've already fallen in love with, so I trust him even if I don't get it at first. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Turner, for example, is doing angels and birds, so all that motion and crazy brush strokes make sense, plus he puts his angel right in the center.
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Engli...r:89,s:0,i:362

In good art, there's some kind of way the technique serves the expressive intent, the theme, the subject matter.

Van Gogh at his most rapturous was still a master, but I don't have the ability to say why.

Please, someone who knows what she's talking about, help me out here!

eta: another attempt at flaw-finding with the Hitler: The church is center, but it's sort of dominated by the rather sickly trio of trees. The trees dominate, but they seem to be drawn in this perfunctory way.

As another Van Gogh lover, I agree completely. I've attempted to copy several of his paintings, and still can't tell you why his techniques worked so well for him but are so hideous for me, and for so many others who have sincerely tried.

Sometimes, I think the man had a magickal brush. It was delivered by space aliens wrapped in tin foil on a dark and starry night...but I'll never know how he knew just what to do with it.

calebprime · 17th December 2012, 09:28 AM

More on Hitler the artist.

http://schikelgruber.net/artistic.html

Of particular interest to me are the two watercolors a ways into the article, on the right side.

One of them I actually like -- the perspective has this weird quality -- drawing you into this narrow courtyard.

It's right over this caption:

Quote:

All Hitler's watercolours and
compositions are not mediocre, some
are quite decent and show a real
artistic sensitivity and talent. But
most of the good ones are more
remarkable for their architectural
composition than for the delicacy or
the inspiration of the work.

I do think that frustrated artists are dangerous!

That's why I'm going to go practice, now.

Gawdzilla · 17th December 2012, 10:01 AM

Can we have Kinkaid's Law?

"If you compare anyone to Thomas Kinkaid, including Satan, thread's over."

headscratcher4 · 17th December 2012, 10:06 AM

can you at least compare Kinkaid to Kinkaid?

Gawdzilla · 17th December 2012, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

can you at least compare Kinkaid to Kinkaid?

That would be attacking Kinkaid.

NotJesus · 17th December 2012, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by calebprime

Thomas Kinkaid:

http://www.bransongrandvillage.com/i...-Thomas001.jpg

What IS that building? If it's a house, why does it have a bell tower? If it's a church, why does it have multiple stories? Why is there a barn door at left? And why is it so close to the stream that it will flood in any heavy rain?

And, yeah, it's on fire.

The Central Scrutinizer · 17th December 2012, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

can you at least compare Kinkaid to Kinkaid?

Did somebody call???

timhau · 17th December 2012, 12:14 PM

Maybe it's not on fire, maybe it's just something inside that makes it seem that way. Or someone.

headscratcher4 · 17th December 2012, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by NotJesus

What IS that building? If it's a house, why does it have a bell tower? If it's a church, why does it have multiple stories? Why is there a barn door at left? And why is it so close to the stream that it will flood in any heavy rain?

And, yeah, it's on fire.

I believe it is an IHOP with a firestation attached, obviously.

Travis · 17th December 2012, 12:44 PM

So should we be purging the young in order to get the reincarnation of Kincaide-Hitler?

TragicMonkey · 17th December 2012, 01:02 PM

Not all of Kinkaide's work is awful. My aunt has a rare copy of one of his earlier works, before he got too religious. It's of a lovely rustic abortion clinic, with thatched roof, improbable variety of floral life, and cobblestone paths. It's probably worth a lot of money now, almost as much as the notorious "F da Police" print of Norman Rockwell's.

headscratcher4 · 17th December 2012, 01:08 PM

His rural abortion clinic period is right up there with Hitler's Sad Clown phase....

TragicMonkey · 17th December 2012, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by headscratcher4

His rural abortion clinic period is right up there with Hitler's Sad Clown phase....

And Rubens's "Skinny Women" period.

The Central Scrutinizer · 17th December 2012, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

And Rubens's "Skinny Women" period.

That was before he met Shirley Partridge.

15th December 2012, 09:19 AM	#1
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15th December 2012, 09:43 PM	#5
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15th December 2012, 10:51 PM	#6
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16th December 2012, 06:31 AM	#8
Cainkane1 Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The great American southeast Posts: 7,198	This post was basically frivolous in that I'm an atheist who doelsn't believe in anything supernatural. This includes woo woo of all kinds. The only similarities between Hitler and Kincade is that both were atrocious artists with Hitlers art being just a bit better. Maybe if Hitler had specialized in cutsy garbage like Kincade he sould have supported himself with seasonal postcards featuring snow, Chris Kringle and bunnys.
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16th December 2012, 06:38 AM	#9
Doubt Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 5,444	Another thing they both have in common: They are both dead!!!!!!!!1111!
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16th December 2012, 06:42 AM	#10
TubbaBlubba Knave of the Dudes Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Communist Kingdom of Sweden Posts: 7,414	I don't think you can compare them. One was a tyrannical despot forcing his twisted ideals on masses of common people, resulting in uncountable atrocities. Hitler, on the other hand, did wear a really ugly moustasche.
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16th December 2012, 08:34 AM	#11
Fitter Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Where the pavement ends Posts: 3,505	Originally Posted by Doubt Another thing they both have in common: They are both dead!!!!!!!!1111! You know who else is dead? Hitler.

16th December 2012, 09:30 AM	#12
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,946	At this point I should point out that my paintings from college looked a lot like both of their painting styles while resembling Hitler's just a bit more. And like Hitler I always avoided putting people in my work because....well I always thought people ruined it.
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16th December 2012, 10:12 AM	#13
DragonLady Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Under the Starry, Starry Night Posts: 1,832	Kincaid was actually a decent artist, but he decided to go for the money and create what sold. Whether you like it or hate it, you can't argue with his sales figures.
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16th December 2012, 10:16 AM	#14
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16th December 2012, 10:18 AM	#15
mikeyx Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,570	Originally Posted by Cainkane1 I believe Hitler and Thomas stye of painting have a lot in common. I hear acoo coo clock sounding off somewhere
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16th December 2012, 12:22 PM	#16
calebprime Somewhat Elitist Parasite Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,758	Looking at some Hitler: http://www.google.com/search?tbm=isc...ac.6D7pggDYHNM http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/2.../LON106_wa.jpg This one I linked to here strikes me as one of the more garish Hitler paintings -- the color seems awful, and he puts way too much random crosshatchy stubble stuff in the foreground where you see it even if you don't want to. This Hitler painting doesn't strike me as all that bad: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-REuDIiw3kU...vel+Europe.jpg Hitler, after all, loved architecture, and maybe it shows. Thomas Kinkaid: http://www.bransongrandvillage.com/i...-Thomas001.jpg It looks to me like Kinkaid is lusher, fuller, more chock full o' details, especially insanely cheerful ones. Hitler, from what I understand, was rather lazy -- I can't imagine him working hard enough to paint something with as much ghastly over-pretty detail in it as Kinkaid, with all that careful but horrible rendering of lighting effects. Some of the Hitler stuff is not awful. All of the Kinkaid is worse than awful, imo. I doubt Hitler had the skill to get all the deer and other critters right. These are my untrained first impressions. Hitler was, at least, a self-styled intellectual -- knew some Schopenhauer and Wagner. Kinkaid is just going for sheer kitsch. Kinkaid shows more industry, more chops.
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16th December 2012, 06:39 PM	#17
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 13,418	Originally Posted by Cainkane1 This post was basically frivolous in that I'm an atheist who doelsn't believe in anything supernatural. This includes woo woo of all kinds. The only similarities between Hitler and Kincade is that both were atrocious artists with Hitlers art being just a bit better. Maybe if Hitler had specialized in cutsy garbage like Kincade he sould have supported himself with seasonal postcards featuring snow, Chris Kringle and bunnys. I'm not going to pay any attention to this thread. You left out an apostrophe in "Hitlers".
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16th December 2012, 07:06 PM	#18
StankApe Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,643	Oh god when I see those Kinkaide paintings I feel like I've wandered into the ficiton section of a D&D shop. Twee I can handle. I'm even capable of managing a little "syrupy" but that stuff is like spoon feeding yourself an entire gallon of icing.
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17th December 2012, 06:09 AM	#19
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17th December 2012, 06:13 AM	#20
calebprime Somewhat Elitist Parasite Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,758	I do think he was a very angry, very sick man.
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timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 9,683	Originally Posted by Travis And like Hitler I always avoided putting people in my work because....well I always thought people ruined it. That's OK, as long as you don't strive to make reality imitate your art.
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Damien Evans Up The Irons Tagger Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 25,304	Originally Posted by TubbaBlubba I don't think you can compare them. One was a tyrannical despot forcing his twisted ideals on masses of common people, resulting in uncountable atrocities. Hitler, on the other hand, did wear a really ugly moustasche. Hitler: Would have won WW2, if only he had worn a Fu Manchu.
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17th December 2012, 07:42 AM	#24
Captain_Swoop Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 3,935	Originally Posted by calebprime http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/2.../LON106_wa.jpg This one I linked to here strikes me as one of the more garish Hitler paintings -- the color seems awful, and he puts way too much random crosshatchy stubble stuff in the foreground where you see it even if you don't want to. . That's the one I like, Kind of a Post Impressionist feel to it.

17th December 2012, 08:19 AM	#25
calebprime Somewhat Elitist Parasite Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,758	Heh. http://www.google.com/imgres?q=post-...r:70,s:0,i:305 calebprime on art: "Van Gogh puts way too much field-with-daubs-of-flowers in the foreground, where you don't want to see it." I'd be hard pressed to say why I like the Van Gogh and don't like the Hitler, other than prejudice. So, I admit incompetence. But everything Van Gogh did looks good to me, or better than good. Maybe if I saw a better reproduction of the Hitler --or the original -- I'd like the color more. So any discussion of color-choice is compromised by distortion from the reproductions. I think that in the Hitler I don't like the white strokes in the foreground field, because they're not differentiated from where they meet the buildings, and even extend into the buildings, especially toward the left. That to me neither looks realistic, clever, nor good-to-look-at. If that's the way the artist felt, I don't want to go there. I can't see why Hitler puts his purple-white little hill so much in the center in what is an otherwise peaceful scene, and how those impatient strokes are supposed to work with the sky. As I'm seeing the Hitler in reproduction now, the color combinations are truly queasy. And when I look at the white strokes as they meet the buildings, they seem to leap off the ground for no reason. Not passion-strokes, but impatient strokes. It looks like amateur painting to me, but I couldn't say exactly why. That's where training would come in. I can't see any reason why the building on the right is all washed out by white paint -- that's maybe the way it looked to him at the time, but it doesn't look good to me. Van Gogh I've already fallen in love with, so I trust him even if I don't get it at first. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Turner, for example, is doing angels and birds, so all that motion and crazy brush strokes make sense, plus he puts his angel right in the center. http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Engli...r:89,s:0,i:362 In good art, there's some kind of way the technique serves the expressive intent, the theme, the subject matter. Van Gogh at his most rapturous was still a master, but I don't have the ability to say why. Please, someone who knows what she's talking about, help me out here! eta: another attempt at flaw-finding with the Hitler: The church is center, but it's sort of dominated by the rather sickly trio of trees. The trees dominate, but they seem to be drawn in this perfunctory way.
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17th December 2012, 08:24 AM	#26
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,749	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Why are all of Kinkaide's houses on fire inside? Even in broad daylight all windows are full of a ruddy orange glow that speaks of internal fires raging. Because in every Kinkaide house there is some sort of satan coven in the midst of some sort of sacrificial ritual... obviously.
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17th December 2012, 09:02 AM	#27
DragonLady Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Under the Starry, Starry Night Posts: 1,832	Originally Posted by calebprime Heh. http://www.google.com/imgres?q=post-...r:70,s:0,i:305 calebprime on art: "Van Gogh puts way too much field-with-daubs-of-flowers in the foreground, where you don't want to see it." I'd be hard pressed to say why I like the Van Gogh and don't like the Hitler, other than prejudice. So, I admit incompetence. But everything Van Gogh did looks good to me, or better than good. Maybe if I saw a better reproduction of the Hitler --or the original -- I'd like the color more. So any discussion of color-choice is compromised by distortion from the reproductions. I think that in the Hitler I don't like the white strokes in the foreground field, because they're not differentiated from where they meet the buildings, and even extend into the buildings, especially toward the left. That to me neither looks realistic, clever, nor good-to-look-at. If that's the way the artist felt, I don't want to go there. I can't see why Hitler puts his purple-white little hill so much in the center in what is an otherwise peaceful scene, and how those impatient strokes are supposed to work with the sky. As I'm seeing the Hitler in reproduction now, the color combinations are truly queasy. And when I look at the white strokes as they meet the buildings, they seem to leap off the ground for no reason. Not passion-strokes, but impatient strokes. It looks like amateur painting to me, but I couldn't say exactly why. That's where training would come in. I can't see any reason why the building on the right is all washed out by white paint -- that's maybe the way it looked to him at the time, but it doesn't look good to me. Van Gogh I've already fallen in love with, so I trust him even if I don't get it at first. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Turner, for example, is doing angels and birds, so all that motion and crazy brush strokes make sense, plus he puts his angel right in the center. http://www.google.com/imgres?q=Engli...r:89,s:0,i:362 In good art, there's some kind of way the technique serves the expressive intent, the theme, the subject matter. Van Gogh at his most rapturous was still a master, but I don't have the ability to say why. Please, someone who knows what she's talking about, help me out here! eta: another attempt at flaw-finding with the Hitler: The church is center, but it's sort of dominated by the rather sickly trio of trees. The trees dominate, but they seem to be drawn in this perfunctory way. As another Van Gogh lover, I agree completely. I've attempted to copy several of his paintings, and still can't tell you why his techniques worked so well for him but are so hideous for me, and for so many others who have sincerely tried. Sometimes, I think the man had a magickal brush. It was delivered by space aliens wrapped in tin foil on a dark and starry night...but I'll never know how he knew just what to do with it.
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17th December 2012, 09:28 AM	#28
calebprime Somewhat Elitist Parasite Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,758	More on Hitler the artist. http://schikelgruber.net/artistic.html Of particular interest to me are the two watercolors a ways into the article, on the right side. One of them I actually like -- the perspective has this weird quality -- drawing you into this narrow courtyard. It's right over this caption: Quote: All Hitler's watercolours and compositions are not mediocre, some are quite decent and show a real artistic sensitivity and talent. But most of the good ones are more remarkable for their architectural composition than for the delicacy or the inspiration of the work. I do think that frustrated artists are dangerous! That's why I'm going to go practice, now.
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17th December 2012, 10:01 AM	#29
Gawdzilla 121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern St. Louis County, Missouri. Posts: 13,503	Can we have Kinkaid's Law? "If you compare anyone to Thomas Kinkaid, including Satan, thread's over."
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17th December 2012, 10:06 AM	#30
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,749	can you at least compare Kinkaid to Kinkaid?
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17th December 2012, 11:50 AM	#31
Gawdzilla 121.92-meter mutant fire-breathing lizard-thingy Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Northern St. Louis County, Missouri. Posts: 13,503	Originally Posted by headscratcher4 can you at least compare Kinkaid to Kinkaid? That would be attacking Kinkaid.
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17th December 2012, 12:02 PM	#32
NotJesus Unsaviory Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: LA Posts: 5,486	Originally Posted by calebprime Thomas Kinkaid: http://www.bransongrandvillage.com/i...-Thomas001.jpg What IS that building? If it's a house, why does it have a bell tower? If it's a church, why does it have multiple stories? Why is there a barn door at left? And why is it so close to the stream that it will flood in any heavy rain? And, yeah, it's on fire.
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17th December 2012, 12:14 PM	#34
timhau NWO Litter Technician Join Date: May 2004 Location: East of Sweeden Posts: 9,683	Maybe it's not on fire, maybe it's just something inside that makes it seem that way. Or someone.
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17th December 2012, 12:25 PM	#35
headscratcher4 Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 7,749	Originally Posted by NotJesus What IS that building? If it's a house, why does it have a bell tower? If it's a church, why does it have multiple stories? Why is there a barn door at left? And why is it so close to the stream that it will flood in any heavy rain? And, yeah, it's on fire. I believe it is an IHOP with a firestation attached, obviously.
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17th December 2012, 12:44 PM	#36
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,946	So should we be purging the young in order to get the reincarnation of Kincaide-Hitler?
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