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Laeke · 24th January 2013, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Childlike Empress

I liked the Chirac-Schröder axis of the unwilling. As to your other post: could you give a link to that article so I don't have to search it in JJ's posts in unnamed threads should I come around to reply?

Chirac?

Politics & strange bedfellows.

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Laeke · 26th January 2013, 01:18 PM

On Algeria and the civil war in the nineties (although focused on the de-radicalization of a certain segment of the Islamist guerilla):
http://www.mei.edu/content/islamist-...and-failures-0

I'm sure you'll find quite a few testimonies about the possible infiltration of the GIA by the DRS, it's a possibility that has been aknowledged by many, including the Foreign Office.

Now if you want to include Bush-the USA-Western neo colonialism-France into that, I wish you a merry time doing so. To my knowledge no analyst was able to make complete sense of the bombings in France in the nineties, whether working on an islamist hypothesis or the idea of a manipulated GIA.

I should also note that the Algerian regime of today is the continuation of the one installed after the independence, that it had at the time a socialist streak in its theorizing, that its anti-colonial cred was probably only rivaled by Vietnam, and that its relations to France were since then never subversient (although strong in some domains) for much too obvious reasons.

Laeke · 26th January 2013, 03:59 PM

Now if you want to include Bush-the USA-Western neo colonialism-France into that, I wish you a merry time doing so. To my knowledge no analyst was able to make complete sense of the bombings in France in the nineties, whether working on an islamist hypothesis or the idea of a manipulated GIA.

To be honest, you can certainly make sense of them as false flag attacks.
The problem however is that doing so certainly does not fit any "neo-colonialist" grid and in fact would exemplify a Western nation being blackmailed for support.

Which I am not sure fits too much with some of the rhetoric I see sometimes displayed.

Childlike Empress · 26th January 2013, 04:58 PM

Laeke, thanks for the link to JJ's post, I might get back to you on that but frankly as I told you I'm not that knowledgeable about the specifics of Algerian politics and really doubt that I can advance your knowledge without doing some homework I am not willing to do as I have other priorities.

But I don't think we are that far away in our assessments, as your comments about French foreign policy tell me. I may have spend more time on researching false flag events than you have and therefore really don't find the claims you cited from Keenan extraordinary, while you obviously do.

Came across two sources about the thread topic today who kind of agree with me and could be interesting to you. One is a radio interview with Canadian Journalist Eric Margolis, who once interviewed the late Bin Laden (they mention both Keenan and Escobar), and the other is a quite to-the-point comment by a member of the Belgian Parliament:

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richardm · 29th January 2013, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by richardm

And "no British boots on the ground" says our PM, but I suspect that within a fortnight there'll be British boots aplenty there

Two weeks to the day, and the boots are starting to arrive...

Originally Posted by The BBC

The UK is to deploy about 330 military personnel to Mali and West Africa to support French forces.

It's OK though, they're just advisors...

link

Polaris · 29th January 2013, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by richardm

Two weeks to the day, and the boots are starting to arrive...

It's OK though, they're just advisors...

link

They should try to avoid taking prisoners. These monsters will just go somewhere else otherwise.

spin0 · 30th January 2013, 10:56 AM

Francois Hollande, You've Got Mali!

leftysergeant · 30th January 2013, 05:25 PM

So far, it looks like this is being resolved rather well.

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dudalb · 1st February 2013, 10:02 AM

Details are emerging about Timbuctoo under the Islamists. It does not make pretty reading. Let's just say they might have been even more ruthless then the Taliaban when it ran Afghanistan.

Darth Rotor · 2nd February 2013, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Details are emerging about Timbuctoo under the Islamists. It does not make pretty reading. Let's just say they might have been even more ruthless then the Taliaban when it ran Afghanistan.

To thine own self be true.

Seems to be part of the M.O.

leftysergeant · 2nd February 2013, 08:28 PM

The worst atrocities were the beatings and amputations for what some people would not consider a felony, and the destruction of so many books.

Chase them out to the desert and bring in airstrikes. These fools need to be utterly crushed, even if they are running for their lives.

Laeke · 3rd February 2013, 04:27 AM

So Hollande went to Mali to bath in ephemeral glory.
Certainly a tad premature (still airstrikes on northern Kidal, according to official communications), but I think it is a clear sign that he wants at all costs to avoid any sort of mission creep. French Army will shift as soon as possible to garrisoning key strategic points, I guess.

I will repeat myself, but I appreciate the UK support, certainly one of the more forthcoming. Belgium supplied a couple helicopters and teams for medical evac as well.

dudalb · 3rd February 2013, 12:15 PM

Quote:

French Army will shift as soon as possible to garrisoning key strategic points, I guess.

French Soldiers manning desert forts. Beau Geste lives!

Caustic Logic · 6th February 2013, 03:08 AM

A captured Egyptian Jihadist who also fought in Libya said after being captured fighting in Mali

Quote:

Mali is very different from Libya. There, we used to cheer when the French planes came. Now, we have to run. It's left me feeling very confused about the world we live in.

Well, I imagine such a thing has been said or thought.

Polaris · 6th February 2013, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

The worst atrocities were the beatings and amputations for what some people would not consider a felony, and the destruction of so many books.

Chase them out to the desert and bring in airstrikes. These fools need to be utterly crushed, even if they are running for their lives.

Yup. Lest we forget what kind of "people" these are. They should be treated like the pirates of old.

24th January 2013, 04:54 PM	#81
Laeke Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: France Posts: 443	Originally Posted by Childlike Empress I liked the Chirac-Schröder axis of the unwilling. As to your other post: could you give a link to that article so I don't have to search it in JJ's posts in unnamed threads should I come around to reply? Chirac? Politics & strange bedfellows. & http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php...1&postcount=79
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26th January 2013, 01:18 PM	#82
Laeke Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: France Posts: 443	On Algeria and the civil war in the nineties (although focused on the de-radicalization of a certain segment of the Islamist guerilla): http://www.mei.edu/content/islamist-...and-failures-0 I'm sure you'll find quite a few testimonies about the possible infiltration of the GIA by the DRS, it's a possibility that has been aknowledged by many, including the Foreign Office. Now if you want to include Bush-the USA-Western neo colonialism-France into that, I wish you a merry time doing so. To my knowledge no analyst was able to make complete sense of the bombings in France in the nineties, whether working on an islamist hypothesis or the idea of a manipulated GIA. I should also note that the Algerian regime of today is the continuation of the one installed after the independence, that it had at the time a socialist streak in its theorizing, that its anti-colonial cred was probably only rivaled by Vietnam, and that its relations to France were since then never subversient (although strong in some domains) for much too obvious reasons.
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26th January 2013, 03:59 PM	#83
Laeke Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: France Posts: 443	Now if you want to include Bush-the USA-Western neo colonialism-France into that, I wish you a merry time doing so. To my knowledge no analyst was able to make complete sense of the bombings in France in the nineties, whether working on an islamist hypothesis or the idea of a manipulated GIA. To be honest, you can certainly make sense of them as false flag attacks. The problem however is that doing so certainly does not fit any "neo-colonialist" grid and in fact would exemplify a Western nation being blackmailed for support. Which I am not sure fits too much with some of the rhetoric I see sometimes displayed.
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29th January 2013, 08:10 AM	#85
richardm Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 9,270	Originally Posted by richardm And "no British boots on the ground" says our PM, but I suspect that within a fortnight there'll be British boots aplenty there Two weeks to the day, and the boots are starting to arrive... Originally Posted by The BBC The UK is to deploy about 330 military personnel to Mali and West Africa to support French forces. It's OK though, they're just advisors... link
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29th January 2013, 08:18 AM	#86
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,229	Originally Posted by richardm Two weeks to the day, and the boots are starting to arrive... It's OK though, they're just advisors... link They should try to avoid taking prisoners. These monsters will just go somewhere else otherwise.
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30th January 2013, 10:56 AM	#87
spin0 Muse Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 720	Francois Hollande, You've Got Mali!

1st February 2013, 10:02 AM	#89
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 23,023	Details are emerging about Timbuctoo under the Islamists. It does not make pretty reading. Let's just say they might have been even more ruthless then the Taliaban when it ran Afghanistan.

2nd February 2013, 07:28 AM	#90
Darth Rotor Salted Sith Cynic Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Rat cheer Posts: 34,378	Originally Posted by dudalb Details are emerging about Timbuctoo under the Islamists. It does not make pretty reading. Let's just say they might have been even more ruthless then the Taliaban when it ran Afghanistan. To thine own self be true. Seems to be part of the M.O.
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2nd February 2013, 08:28 PM	#91
leftysergeant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 18,614	The worst atrocities were the beatings and amputations for what some people would not consider a felony, and the destruction of so many books. Chase them out to the desert and bring in airstrikes. These fools need to be utterly crushed, even if they are running for their lives.
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3rd February 2013, 04:27 AM	#92
Laeke Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: France Posts: 443	So Hollande went to Mali to bath in ephemeral glory. Certainly a tad premature (still airstrikes on northern Kidal, according to official communications), but I think it is a clear sign that he wants at all costs to avoid any sort of mission creep. French Army will shift as soon as possible to garrisoning key strategic points, I guess. I will repeat myself, but I appreciate the UK support, certainly one of the more forthcoming. Belgium supplied a couple helicopters and teams for medical evac as well.
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3rd February 2013, 12:15 PM	#93
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 23,023	Quote: French Army will shift as soon as possible to garrisoning key strategic points, I guess. French Soldiers manning desert forts. Beau Geste lives!

6th February 2013, 03:08 AM	#94
Caustic Logic Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,000	A captured Egyptian Jihadist who also fought in Libya said after being captured fighting in Mali Quote: Mali is very different from Libya. There, we used to cheer when the French planes came. Now, we have to run. It's left me feeling very confused about the world we live in. Well, I imagine such a thing has been said or thought.
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6th February 2013, 06:35 AM	#95
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,229	Originally Posted by leftysergeant The worst atrocities were the beatings and amputations for what some people would not consider a felony, and the destruction of so many books. Chase them out to the desert and bring in airstrikes. These fools need to be utterly crushed, even if they are running for their lives. Yup. Lest we forget what kind of "people" these are. They should be treated like the pirates of old.
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,229	__________________ "There's vastly more truth to be found in rocks than in holy books. Rocks are far superior, in fact, because you can DEMONSTRATE the truth found in rocks. Plus, they're pretty. Holy books are just heavy." - Dinwar "Roy Moore of Alabama. The world would absolutely benefit by him being run over by any vehicle." - Lowpro