England's Chief Medical Officer says Homeopathy is rubbish - Page 2

Stomatopoda · 27th January 2013, 06:56 PM

Buyers would just interpret it as "wink, wink" in the same manner that bath salts were "for external use only".

zooterkin · 27th January 2013, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by mike3

On the other hand, the comment that "However I am afraid that I have to disagree with you on this issue" can be construed as "I disagree with you on the idea that homeopathy does not work", i.e. "I believe that homeopathy does work".

Absolutely. It's an ambiguous statement, quite likely deliberately so.

ETA: To amplify (I was on a tablet earlier, I have a keyboard now), he's disagreeing with a two part statement, but is not clear whether it is the suggestion that homoeopathy is not effective or the conclusion that it should not be offered on the NHS with which he disagrees.

John Jones · 27th January 2013, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer

Yes, and I pointed out to the poster who made the claim that when Prince Phillip had his heart trouble a year or so ago he was rushed to a real hospital not the London Homeopathic Hospital. A flurry of evasion, assertions and outright lies ensued shifting the emphisis eventually to mastitis in the Queen's dairy herd.

Of course this was the same poster who claimed that the Queen's homeopath used Icelandic glacial water which had been frozen since before animal life arose.........

The devil you say! (I apologize for arriving late.)

P.J. Denyer · 29th January 2013, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by Paul W

I googled “homeopathic grafting” and hit a website called “WholeHeathNow” which describes itself as “Your #1 source for everything homeopathic!”

Bang “WholeHeathNow” into google, when you get to the home site click on “Professional Info” and prepare to be astounded!

Quote:

grafting -- method of making medicated pellets by placing non-medicated pellets in contact with medicated ones. Also done with liquid potencies.

http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeop..._glossary.html

Yep, if actually making non-working, non-remedical 'remedies' by a method with as much validity as shaking a dead chicken over the patient is too much like work you can just top up the jars with admitted ordinary sugar pills and sell them as medicine too.

I'm sure the only reason that homeopathy survives is that most people don't actually understand what it is supposed to be and conflate it with herbalism.

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27th January 2013, 11:42 PM	#42
zooterkin Nitpicking dilettante Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Berkshire, mostly Posts: 24,533	Originally Posted by mike3 On the other hand, the comment that "However I am afraid that I have to disagree with you on this issue" can be construed as "I disagree with you on the idea that homeopathy does not work", i.e. "I believe that homeopathy does work". Absolutely. It's an ambiguous statement, quite likely deliberately so. ETA: To amplify (I was on a tablet earlier, I have a keyboard now), he's disagreeing with a two part statement, but is not clear whether it is the suggestion that homoeopathy is not effective or the conclusion that it should not be offered on the NHS with which he disagrees.
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27th January 2013, 11:51 PM	#43
John Jones Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,704	Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer Yes, and I pointed out to the poster who made the claim that when Prince Phillip had his heart trouble a year or so ago he was rushed to a real hospital not the London Homeopathic Hospital. A flurry of evasion, assertions and outright lies ensued shifting the emphisis eventually to mastitis in the Queen's dairy herd. Of course this was the same poster who claimed that the Queen's homeopath used Icelandic glacial water which had been frozen since before animal life arose......... The devil you say! (I apologize for arriving late.)
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29th January 2013, 01:37 AM	#44
P.J. Denyer Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,127	Originally Posted by Paul W I googled “homeopathic grafting” and hit a website called “WholeHeathNow” which describes itself as “Your #1 source for everything homeopathic!” Bang “WholeHeathNow” into google, when you get to the home site click on “Professional Info” and prepare to be astounded! Quote: grafting -- method of making medicated pellets by placing non-medicated pellets in contact with medicated ones. Also done with liquid potencies. http://www.wholehealthnow.com/homeop..._glossary.html Yep, if actually making non-working, non-remedical 'remedies' by a method with as much validity as shaking a dead chicken over the patient is too much like work you can just top up the jars with admitted ordinary sugar pills and sell them as medicine too. I'm sure the only reason that homeopathy survives is that most people don't actually understand what it is supposed to be and conflate it with herbalism.