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Ladewig · 17th February 2013, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Paul2

The first action has to be the claimant sending in an application, so it's not the JREF that should be pushed, at least initially. The first step is completely the applicant's. Negotiating details of the test happens after the application is submitted with the initial, proposed protocol (correct me if I'm wrong).

I'll agree that step one is filling out an application.

But I would suggest that step zero is the claimant clearly and unambiguously defining what he or she can do. Far too many applicants skip this necessary step and jump straight to the application.

ETA: And I know I am splitting hairs here, but step one-half is reading the instructions associated with the application. Again, that is a too-often skipped step.

Paul2 · 17th February 2013, 06:52 PM

Your points (half-points?) are well-taken.

Checkmite · 14th March 2013, 06:58 PM

I don't get this. Tai Chi Chuan is an international-level event. Here's some video of a championship of some kind:

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I AGREE

While it doesn't look all that exciting as combat sports go, it doesn't look even vaguely woo-ish.

Wudang · 15th March 2013, 10:42 AM

Exactly. It's like some javelin-thrower guy claiming that while other people throw using muscles, he doesn't while he moves in exactly the way that other javelin throwers move when throwing a javelin.

Anyway from that Facebook page

Quote:

Seems to be the day for "breaking news". This was recently posted in The Kwoon by Don Ethan Miller but was immediately deleted by the admins there (can you guess who?):

---------------------

Okay, guys, I am afraid I have to be the one who tells you that the Emperor has no clothes, or people will go on and on until reality is a distant memory...I was there, I pushed with Michael Phillips, and with Fenway Yang, and David Carr, and many other fine folks. But I regret to inform you that MP's skills, energy, level of knowledge are simply not what he says they are, nor what so many people seem to be confirming, I know not why. Many people were there and saw both me and Fernando Bernall EASILY handle MP, in fact we were both shocked by how little "stuff" he actually had. I know he claims to have a back injury, but I have multiple injuries that put me at less than full strength, but I can still manifest certain abilities that are the result of my 40 years training. I would like others who were there to contribute their honest observations. The time is long past when we need to lie about what goes on in order to be polite--especially when grotesque distortions are being disseminated. I challenge those of you who were there to speak out, so that I don't have to be the bad guy and spill all the beans to those who weren't. And I REALLY tired of the amount of BS that is being laid down by people without real ability. Sorry if I offend anyone, but this is the way it is. And Michael, I would be happy to share what knowledge I have with you, so you can possibly bring some reality to all the stuff you talk about. Peace out.

Wudang · 15th March 2013, 10:48 AM

For those interested a really good article in decent english explaining the basics of tai chi

http://taiji-europa.eu/tai-chi-taiji...nner-s-skills/

wardenclyffe · 15th March 2013, 11:24 AM

Was that facebook post referring to martial arts abilities or magic abilities? It's hard to tell. Thanks for reporting on what's going on over there, though.

Ward

Wudang · 15th March 2013, 11:55 AM

There are some technical skills that tai chi people can show each other via pushing hands. Now this Michael Philips claims that not only is he a high level at this but he does it without muscle but by a non-physical means. Don pushed hands with him and found he didn't have much in the way of basics. No need to invoke woo explanations for his powers because he doesn't have any.

Wudang · 1st June 2013, 06:39 AM

How "chi" came to the west ...
http://chriskresser.com/chinese-medi...model-debunked

17th February 2013, 02:57 PM	#121
Ladewig Hipster alien Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: not measurable Posts: 16,943	Originally Posted by Paul2 The first action has to be the claimant sending in an application, so it's not the JREF that should be pushed, at least initially. The first step is completely the applicant's. Negotiating details of the test happens after the application is submitted with the initial, proposed protocol (correct me if I'm wrong). I'll agree that step one is filling out an application. But I would suggest that step zero is the claimant clearly and unambiguously defining what he or she can do. Far too many applicants skip this necessary step and jump straight to the application. ETA: And I know I am splitting hairs here, but step one-half is reading the instructions associated with the application. Again, that is a too-often skipped step.
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17th February 2013, 06:52 PM	#122
Paul2 Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,502	Your points (half-points?) are well-taken.
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15th March 2013, 10:42 AM	#124
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sheffield Posts: 8,320	Exactly. It's like some javelin-thrower guy claiming that while other people throw using muscles, he doesn't while he moves in exactly the way that other javelin throwers move when throwing a javelin. Anyway from that Facebook page Quote: Seems to be the day for "breaking news". This was recently posted in The Kwoon by Don Ethan Miller but was immediately deleted by the admins there (can you guess who?): --------------------- Okay, guys, I am afraid I have to be the one who tells you that the Emperor has no clothes, or people will go on and on until reality is a distant memory...I was there, I pushed with Michael Phillips, and with Fenway Yang, and David Carr, and many other fine folks. But I regret to inform you that MP's skills, energy, level of knowledge are simply not what he says they are, nor what so many people seem to be confirming, I know not why. Many people were there and saw both me and Fernando Bernall EASILY handle MP, in fact we were both shocked by how little "stuff" he actually had. I know he claims to have a back injury, but I have multiple injuries that put me at less than full strength, but I can still manifest certain abilities that are the result of my 40 years training. I would like others who were there to contribute their honest observations. The time is long past when we need to lie about what goes on in order to be polite--especially when grotesque distortions are being disseminated. I challenge those of you who were there to speak out, so that I don't have to be the bad guy and spill all the beans to those who weren't. And I REALLY tired of the amount of BS that is being laid down by people without real ability. Sorry if I offend anyone, but this is the way it is. And Michael, I would be happy to share what knowledge I have with you, so you can possibly bring some reality to all the stuff you talk about. Peace out.
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15th March 2013, 10:48 AM	#125
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sheffield Posts: 8,320	For those interested a really good article in decent english explaining the basics of tai chi http://taiji-europa.eu/tai-chi-taiji...nner-s-skills/
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15th March 2013, 11:24 AM	#126
wardenclyffe Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,569	Was that facebook post referring to martial arts abilities or magic abilities? It's hard to tell. Thanks for reporting on what's going on over there, though. Ward
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15th March 2013, 11:55 AM	#127
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sheffield Posts: 8,320	There are some technical skills that tai chi people can show each other via pushing hands. Now this Michael Philips claims that not only is he a high level at this but he does it without muscle but by a non-physical means. Don pushed hands with him and found he didn't have much in the way of basics. No need to invoke woo explanations for his powers because he doesn't have any.
	__________________ Aphorism: Subjects most likely to be declared inappropriate for humor are the ones most in need of it. -epepke

1st June 2013, 06:39 AM	#128
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sheffield Posts: 8,320	How "chi" came to the west ... http://chriskresser.com/chinese-medi...model-debunked
	__________________ Aphorism: Subjects most likely to be declared inappropriate for humor are the ones most in need of it. -epepke