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Old 15th February 2013, 06:59 PM   #3561
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Old 15th February 2013, 07:11 PM   #3562
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Here is a popular read I just got from the bff.

An Open Letter to Dr. Ketchum and Mr. Erickson

I had hoped for a day where mainstream science would take this subject seriously enough to investigate. But I had a fear that they wouldn't go near it and that your request for review would collect dust in the "in" box. This appears to be the case. I also suspected bias would arise because of the sheer amount of ridicule associated with the topic. I forecasted that journals would view association with the subject as a means to damage their credibility and reputation because of the stigma attached to the subject. It had always been the case, but still I had hoped that attitudes and perception would change. Evidently, and emphatically, it hasn't.

Because the study was forced to self-publish through its own journal, the credibility of the work has taken a damaging blow in the court of public opinion. The public at large truly believes that mainstream science has the integrity to examine work that lies outside of accepted paradigms so long as it is backed by sound science. There is an underlying trust in this veritable jury of peers that it is impartial and that there isn't such a thing as posturing and politics over subjects in the revered and respected institutes of science. And that is the case to a point but they fail to recognize that science can be internally manipulated by government, academia and corporations.

So now, because of this, I believe that the Sasquatch Genome Project and the Erickson Project are now in a war of perception and public opinion.

I can understand selling the paper to recoup costs and to bolster further research. But what I find perplexing and counterproductive is the need to guard and protect it. If you acknowledge that there is a wall between what you have produced and mainstream science, all that you are doing by guarding and protecting the work is to fortify that divide between you, mainstream science and the public.

We live in open source times. We live in a time where media is shared amongst us as a way to inform and influence. Now is not the time to stamp huge watermarks across screens to ensure proper accreditation and protection. It is not the time to threaten legal action so readily against those who would share. Now is the time for openness and transparency. This means providing documentation of the evidence revealing excessive bias. It means releasing all footage and pictures. The public needs to see what cards you hold. This doesn’t mean you give everything away for free.

What you have to protect and nurture is how you are perceived and your brand. You use consistent branding on all your content so that the public recognizes and accepts the source. If done right, people will be drawn to your content and any of the associated products you wish to offer. For instance, for the Erickson Project, I would create a YouTube and Vimeo channel with a branded logo on the corner of the screen for all the clips. You could release HD clips or long segments to draw in viewers. You have to make the content as irresistible and satisfying as possible for the viewer so that they will be drawn to your source of information and thus your brand. This includes supplementary material such as exclusive commentary, behind the scenes, updates and a blog etc. If there's illegal copying of your material, you let it go. It's free advertising for the brand. It gets disseminated organically. You then wait for a time when it has got a significant number of views and then cite copyright violation and inform YouTube. But during that period you must stay active with the content you provide to ensure that you are a valuable and trusted source for information. The same tact applies to the SGP. Provide content and information in a location that is open, accessible and attractive to the public. It is the way to win them over. And it is what’s needed right now more than anything because there is a major dividing line between the study and the currently accepted paradigm by mainstream science and the public. You must win the public over through engaging and valuable information.

The Sasquatch belong to no one. It is time to promote their story.

I hope this message finds you.

Thank you for your contribution to a field of inquiry that has captured our imagination and interest for so long.
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Old 15th February 2013, 07:36 PM   #3563
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^That one was gold.


New quote from Dr. Ketchum:

"I have independent analysis of our data going on. If the outcome of what we are doing supports our analysis, then we are vindicated. If not, then I will announce that also. It involves top level scientists that have volunteered after I released the paper. If their findings are the same, they will go public. So, please be patient. They also will assure upload to GenBank and they can make that happen." - Dr. Melba Ketchum
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Old 15th February 2013, 07:49 PM   #3564
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It's all just sad and pathetic.
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Old 15th February 2013, 07:51 PM   #3565
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It is, the descent into lunacy, the circling madness that ensued.......it's a true reflection of the state mental healthcare in the United States.
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Old 15th February 2013, 07:58 PM   #3566
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Originally Posted by Jodie View Post
She was too broke to hire someone to do something a bit more professional looking? This is so sad.
Sad? Still falling for the con, eh? unbelievable.
why is it sad? you mean you think she won't be able to go back to Brussels again this year...or do you mean it's sad that this is all Wally got for some 400,000 bucks?
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Old 15th February 2013, 08:00 PM   #3567
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Originally Posted by Jodie View Post
It is, the descent into lunacy, the circling madness that ensued.......it's a true reflection of the state mental healthcare in the United States.
What's sad is that she thought she could get away with this scam, and what's even more sad is that some people still believe in her.
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Old 15th February 2013, 08:13 PM   #3568
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Go away and leave me alone - i want to make up lies in peace!

so this is nothing new! no information of any value?
1. who are these "top Level " scientists?
2. what happens if their findings are not the same as yours?
3. If this is indeed going on - welcome to the world of Peer review!
4. any time frame other than soon?
5. please explain the lies and deceit with the 2 journals, the obtusification, and pre mediated cover story!
6. please explain the lie about GenBank not accepting unnamed seqence!

Good start. but the proofs in the pudding! you (Melba) have made numerous proclamations and statements in the past several years, virtually all have proven to be inaccurate or just blatent lies, so please excuse me for remaining skeptical, until you actually produce the results from these "top Level" scientists

and just so we are clear, given these unamed experts (BTW most experts in their fields prefer to be named, their name is their brand of assured quality, they worked long and hard to aquire "expert" status, why would they not want to be identified as a "top Expert"!) anyway, since they already have the data in their hands - this actually should really be "weeks" instead of months, correct?

Robin, i request rapid delivery of this message please! thankyou!

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^That one was gold.


New quote from Dr. Ketchum:

"I have independent analysis of our data going on. If the outcome of what we are doing supports our analysis, then we are vindicated. If not, then I will announce that also. It involves top level scientists that have volunteered after I released the paper. If their findings are the same, they will go public. So, please be patient. They also will assure upload to GenBank and they can make that happen." - Dr. Melba Ketchum
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Old 15th February 2013, 08:23 PM   #3569
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What's sad is that she thought she could get away with this scam, and what's even more sad is that some people still believe in her.
You'd have to be stupendously daft to think you could get away with this sillyness. But then, think about the folks over at BFF, read what they post and are still posting in regards to Ketchup's "paper." In the face of all this credulity, one might just believe one could get away with anything. Even as I type this there are living, breathing human beings who have access to computers, the internet, and with the ability to type who still think Melba has something to offer to science in general and primate biology in particular. This vacuity is breathtaking.

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Old 15th February 2013, 08:24 PM   #3570
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Originally Posted by GT/CS View Post
What's sad is that she thought she could get away with this scam, and what's even more sad is that some people still believe in her.
We know some will just keep going with belief, it's a religion after all for all practical purposes.

Here is a tidbit I have been thinking, if this is a scam and money has been changing hands, and lots of it from what we have read in the many years this has been going on, why no law suits at all, if people really did put large sums of money into this would they not be looking to get it back, I might be behind the eight ball here but **** just don't add up with this entire hoax at all.

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Old 15th February 2013, 09:24 PM   #3571
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Wally lost $500,000 by all accounts, for something that should have only cost $65,000 at the most, what is he going to sue her for? It could have ended either way and she still technically fullfilled her obligation.
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Old 15th February 2013, 10:03 PM   #3572
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1. who are these "top Level " scientists?
Top. Men.
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Old 15th February 2013, 11:15 PM   #3573
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Sad? Still falling for the con, eh? unbelievable.
why is it sad? you mean you think she won't be able to go back to Brussels again this year...or do you mean it's sad that this is all Wally got for some 400,000 bucks?

I think it's sad that she made it look so cheesey, and that some people actually think this is a legitimate journal.

I expected something more like this:

http://www.revealingthelink.com/
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Old 16th February 2013, 06:11 AM   #3574
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The BFF has a poll on the Ketchum hoax and this response from Brian Brown:

"That said, it's a joke."

Absolutely priceless.
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Yeah, I love how the bigfoot attention seekers tend to bash each other without ever looking in a mirror.

With this hoax busted someone will need to fill the void. Of course we do have Meldrum's flying dumbo project, and Rick Dyer's film promotion, but nothing fun and exciting.
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I want to know why no one tried to grab the breathing purple shag rug footie?
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Old 16th February 2013, 08:40 AM   #3577
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...but nothing fun and exciting.
I breathlessly waiting for season 3 of the Oklahoma Wood Apes show.
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Old 16th February 2013, 02:21 PM   #3578
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Whatever happened to Bipto's hair that he sent for analysis?
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Old 16th February 2013, 03:29 PM   #3579
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Bipto sent hair for analysis? I thought they sent in blood from the shooting incident and were scammed by those nasty scientists at the lab!
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Old 16th February 2013, 04:02 PM   #3580
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He said he sent in hair, it's been awhile so the results ought to be back. This will be the second time, the first time they were ripped off, so he said.
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He said he sent in hair, it's been awhile so the results ought to be back. This will be the second time, the first time they were ripped off, so he said.

Key phrase.
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Originally Posted by Jodie View Post
Wally lost $500,000 by all accounts, for something that should have only cost $65,000 at the most, what is he going to sue her for? It could have ended either way and she still technically fullfilled her obligation.
My guess is that she is making a mockery of this DNA and the lab she is suppose to be running, people paid for legit science and they are getting in return an obvious scam.

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Old 17th February 2013, 05:01 AM   #3583
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I agree with you, if I had sincerely believed that I had bigfoot evidence and then someone took that and ran with it to make money, lying instead of telling me the truth I probably didn't want to hear, I'ld be furious.

Maybe that's why she did what she did, it was a "no win" situation, she needed money so why not take advantage of the situation?
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Old 17th February 2013, 06:59 AM   #3584
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fig 16 from Ketchum's paper


Junior (an Otolemur garnettii aka "bush baby") and Helen (a Homo sapiens).

As if I needed to add anything:
Quote:
Leonid Kruglyak, a Princeton University geneticist:

“To state the obvious, no data or analyses are presented that in any way support the claim that their samples come from a new primate or human-primate hybrid. Instead, analyses either come back as 100% human, or fail in ways that suggest technical artifacts. They make the bizarre claim that the failures might be caused by novel, nonstandard structure of the DNA (“Electron micrographs of the DNA revealed unusual double strand – single strand – double strand transitions which may have contributed to the failure to amplify during PCR.”) which would mean this DNA was different from DNA in all other known species. There’s also the strange statement they couldn’t deposit sequences in GenBank because it’s a new/unknown taxon — GenBank does that no problem.”

The tree in Fig 16 is inconsistent with known primate phylogeny and generally makes no sense.
Anyone who thinks this paper was approved by a meaningful peer review process, please step forward.
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Old 17th February 2013, 09:47 AM   #3585
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Is it possible we are looking at a "creation-science" phylogenetic tree?
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I like how there's three seperate species of Humans and three seperate species of Gorilla Gorilla Gorilla.
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I like how there's three seperate species of Humans and three seperate species of Gorilla Gorilla Gorilla.
earl,
the only possible explanation of this - shall i call it mysterious tree, is that these are for individual humans or gorrillas, or bush babies. noteably missing from this are any mention of chimpanzee. Also if it is read in typical Clade fashion, then Gorrillas split off from humans to become their own species.

thats the problem, the discription in the paper in no way matches the diagram, and their is no legend , None of this is acceptable in any way in any legitimate scientific journal.
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Where is the evidence that this was ever passed by a real, qualified peer review committee? Did Ketchum claim to have such evidence? I mean, that was the supposed reason behind her supposed purchase. Where is this evidence?
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Where is the evidence that this was ever passed by a real, qualified peer review committee? Did Ketchum claim to have such evidence? I mean, that was the supposed reason behind her supposed purchase. Where is this evidence?
Ketchum has claimed to have evidence of the peer review process, the acceptance and then denial of publication, and of her purchase of said journal.
"documentation of all of this" is the wording she used!

unfortunately, the claim of having this evidence is viewed as proof of the claim,for many over in Bigfoot world. No need to ever actually produce any evidence, just claim that you have it.

makes sense though, they all claim to know BF exists, and for them, thats enough to "know"
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Melba, show us the documentation you claim to have! how about the name of the previous editor of the journal you bought? or the names of those "known experts" currently reviewing your work!
(when we do real science, that review has a special name: we call it "peer Review")
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Ketchum has claimed to have evidence of the peer review process, the acceptance and then denial of publication, and of her purchase of said journal.
"documentation of all of this" is the wording she used!

unfortunately, the claim of having this evidence is viewed as proof of the claim,for many over in Bigfoot world. No need to ever actually produce any evidence, just claim that you have it.

makes sense though, they all claim to know BF exists, and for them, thats enough to "know"
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Melba, show us the documentation you claim to have! how about the name of the previous editor of the journal you bought? or the names of those "known experts" currently reviewing your work!
(when we do real science, that review has a special name: we call it "peer Review")
for those who know no proof is needed for those who don't no proof is enough.
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fig 16 from Ketchum's paper

Let me just say this about that:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That is the most indecipherable and incompetent attempt at a hominid phylogenetic tree I've ever had the misfortune of seeing. Homo sapiens branched off twice before the split from gorillini and hominini occurred? Then it happened again after the split? Gorillini has three species of gorilla, all with the same sub-species trinomen? There is another branch of gorillini that leads to... some unnamed species? A lemur species developed along the hominin line, after H. sapiens and after the so-called "unknown" species? Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.

Here is how it should look. Feel free to insert Bigfooticus bullsh!ttii anywhere you feel the moon is not wont to shine.
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Update: Dr. Sykes will be speaking at the Western Bigfoot Society meeting on March 9th. It seems he has some sort of update on his DNA study. Apparently his study is still in its analysis phase right now. Both him and Dr. Anna Nekaris recieved a copy of Ketchum's paper and they will give their expert views on it soon.
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Better get out the first aid kit and tissues, Ketchum is going to need em.

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Update: Dr. Sykes will be speaking at the Western Bigfoot Society meeting on March 9th. It seems he has some sort of update on his DNA study. Apparently his study is still in its analysis phase right now. Both him and Dr. Anna Nekaris recieved a copy of Ketchum's paper and they will give their expert views on it soon.
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Old 17th February 2013, 04:26 PM   #3596
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That's it.
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Old 17th February 2013, 04:59 PM   #3597
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Originally Posted by OntarioSquatch View Post
Update: Dr. Sykes will be speaking at the Western Bigfoot Society meeting on March 9th. It seems he has some sort of update on his DNA study. Apparently his study is still in its analysis phase right now. Both him and Dr. Anna Nekaris recieved a copy of Ketchum's paper and they will give their expert views on it soon.
I sincerily hope you did the fingers-quotation-mark gesture while typing "expert".
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Old 17th February 2013, 05:20 PM   #3598
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I am under the impression Sykes is going to be professional with this BF DNA stuff, he is going to be held to the same standard as top notch science expects, he is being watched by many on this one, if he go's footer and comes up with the same crap as ketchum, stick a fork in him~

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I am under the impression Sykes is going to be professional with this BF DNA stuff, he is going to be held to the same standard as top notch science expects, he is being watched by many on this one, if he go's footer and comes up with the same crap as ketchum, stick a fork in him~

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Yeah but speaking at something called the Western Bigfoot Society doesn't seem to bode well.
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He's often regarded as one of today's greatest geneticists. I think us footers are lucky to have him.
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