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Piscivore · 26th February 2013, 02:39 PM

I just bought a new laptop (my first ever new new one) and the closest thing to current technology I've ever owned. It's coming with Windows 8, though, and if I don't like it all I have to replace it with is XP. Can XP run a laptop with an i5 3120, 8G ram, and a 750g HD?

ETA: Title should of course read "XP", not "XL"

KoihimeNakamura · 26th February 2013, 02:50 PM

Probably not. Odds are it's 64bit as well.

Soapy Sam · 26th February 2013, 02:53 PM

It would use less than half the RAM, too.

The Windows 8 thread seems to suggest 8 is perfectly usable.
There's always Linux.

Piscivore · 26th February 2013, 02:59 PM

That's what I thought, thanks.

I didn't want to interrupt the squabbling going on in the other thread, but there should be no problem with W8 running open-source software that works in XP and W7, is there?

ohms · 26th February 2013, 03:15 PM

If the laptop has UEFI then installing another OS is not always straightforward. Recently a number of Samsung laptops were bricked when their users tried to install Ubuntu onto them.

KoihimeNakamura · 26th February 2013, 03:37 PM

No, but you'll want Desktop mode. That's pretty much it.

Salerio · 26th February 2013, 03:40 PM

XP is end of life, Win 7 is current

Piscivore · 26th February 2013, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by Salerio

XP is end of life, Win 7 is current

Yes, but XP I have, and Win 7 is $~100

FFed · 26th February 2013, 04:14 PM

After you format the drive you can put whatever you want on it. The only problem would be finding XP drivers. I ran into that issue before after putting XP on a win7 laptop. I couldn't get network drivers so I was stuck without internet.

rjh01 · 26th February 2013, 04:28 PM

Another issue. Do you really have XP? If you went to a shop and bought it then you probably do. But if you got it with a computer then it will not work. OED is the jargon word for the later. I also vote you leave Windows 8 on the machine and learn to use that.

Also for the first 10 minutes the OP has the right to change the thread title. You will see the option in advanced mode.

Piscivore · 26th February 2013, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by rjh01

Another issue. Do you really have XP? If you went to a shop and bought it then you probably do.

Yeah, I've got a full version. I've also got my CDs for 95 and 98. I'm like the opposite of an early adopter.

Brainiac · 26th February 2013, 04:54 PM

I'm not a fan of Windows 8, but I got used to it.

If you have a brand new laptop with Windows 8 pre-installed, I would strongly recommend that you simply learn all of the nuances of Windows 8. That would be a far better use of your time than trying to get an old version of Windows installed and getting all of the drivers you need to work with your new hardware.

I loved Windows XP. But I don't bother with it any more. I'd rather be familiar with current technology. Heck, you might even find some things you like about it.

jj · 26th February 2013, 05:06 PM

If you don't want W8, get W7. It will run in native 64 bit, which is more or less obligatory with that box. Running 64 bit XP is not going to be pleasant.

Earthborn · 27th February 2013, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Soapy Sam

It would use less than half the RAM, too.

The rest can be turned into a ramdisk, which can be put to good use by putting temporary files/scratch disks/memory caches/virtual memory on.

Xulld · 27th February 2013, 11:06 AM

Love XP.

One of the problems not mentioned is that your new laptop will likely run like your old laptop.

XP does not take advantage of multi core procs.

Sam.I.Am · 27th February 2013, 03:00 PM

Drivers will be close to impossible to get. Half of the RAM will be wasted. The CPU isn't really designed in a way that XP can fully use. All of these are good reasons to not install XP in this case. I'd seriously consider buying an old laptop instead for $100-$200 (tops).

With that being said, IF you own a proper XP install disk there should be an option to do a dual boot install right at the start of the install process so if you wanted to futz around with it to see if you can get it to work to your satisfaction then I'd say give it a try, but first make sure that you have a hard copy of Windows 8 first (not just the recovery partition but a DVD with the entire OS install on it). I'd probably even go so far as to do a clean install using only that disk just to make 100% sure that it will work as intended before trying to install XP.

Piscivore · 27th February 2013, 10:58 PM

I've had the new laptop now for a few hours and so far Windows 8 is just fine. Everything I've put on it has worked fine.

Soapy Sam · 28th February 2013, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Earthborn

The rest can be turned into a ramdisk, which can be put to good use by putting temporary files/scratch disks/memory caches/virtual memory on.

Ramdisk. Gosh. Long time since I heard that word. Last time I used a ramdisk was with DOS 5.1 , I think.
You have made me think.
I have a laptop with more RAM than I regularly need. Is there a native Ramdisk creationcommand in Win 7? (Don't think so).

ETA- http://www.softperfect.com/products/ramdisk/

Soapy Sam · 28th February 2013, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Piscivore

I've had the new laptop now for a few hours and so far Windows 8 is just fine. Everything I've put on it has worked fine.

Good.

LTC8K6 · 28th February 2013, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Xulld

Love XP.

One of the problems not mentioned is that your new laptop will likely run like your old laptop.

XP does not take advantage of multi core procs.

XP does indeed take advantage of multi-core processors. XP was better at it than Vista, and for a while, XP was also better at it than W7.

After W7 matured, it was faster.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/mic...ista,6895.html

CORed · 1st March 2013, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Piscivore

I just bought a new laptop (my first ever new new one) and the closest thing to current technology I've ever owned. It's coming with Windows 8, though, and if I don't like it all I have to replace it with is XP. Can XP run a laptop with an i5 3120, 8G ram, and a 750g HD?

ETA: Title should of course read "XP", not "XL"

XP: Probably not. It's likely that drivers don't exist for your hardware.

Windows 7, OTOH, which is not a bad OS at all, would probably work.

CORed · 1st March 2013, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by jj

If you don't want W8, get W7. It will run in native 64 bit, which is more or less obligatory with that box. Running 64 bit XP is not going to be pleasant.

XP 64 isn't bad at all, but it really is an orphan OS at this point. I had to do some serious hacking to get iTunes (needed to work with my iPhone) to install on it. The chances of finding hardware drivers for XP 64 for a new machine are slim and none.

alexg · 2nd March 2013, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by LTC8K6

XP does indeed take advantage of multi-core processors. XP was better at it than Vista, and for a while, XP was also better at it than W7.

After W7 matured, it was faster.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/mic...ista,6895.html

Just curious, was this the "study" by Randall Kennedy, the guy dismissed from info world by misrepresenting himself as an independent researcher by another name (Craig Barth)so as to publish (likely) bogus studies showing how much faster XP was than Vista? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_C._Kennedy

I remember this time well, there was a lot of talk about how slow Vista was but it turned out to be hard to quantify. Much of the bad experience had to do with bad or non-existent drivers and to putting the somewhat heavier OS on machines with inadequate RAM. Also proper testing of "OS speed" turned out to be full of difficulties. In many ways Vista felt faster to me, part of that was hardware acceleration of desktop graphics which made the fancy desktop graphics counter-intuitively quite fast.

As for specifically whether it was better optimized for multi-core I am not certain, it was designed to be faster, but in the real world it is hard to say. But Randall Kennedy has zero credibility on the subject and it does appear to be his info world article referenced at Toms.

26th February 2013, 02:39 PM	#1
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,563	Windows XP on a new laptop I just bought a new laptop (my first ever new new one) and the closest thing to current technology I've ever owned. It's coming with Windows 8, though, and if I don't like it all I have to replace it with is XP. Can XP run a laptop with an i5 3120, 8G ram, and a 750g HD? ETA: Title should of course read "XP", not "XL"
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26th February 2013, 02:50 PM	#2
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26th February 2013, 02:53 PM	#3
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 25,929	It would use less than half the RAM, too. The Windows 8 thread seems to suggest 8 is perfectly usable. There's always Linux.
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26th February 2013, 02:59 PM	#4
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,563	That's what I thought, thanks. I didn't want to interrupt the squabbling going on in the other thread, but there should be no problem with W8 running open-source software that works in XP and W7, is there?
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26th February 2013, 03:15 PM	#5
ohms Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 452	If the laptop has UEFI then installing another OS is not always straightforward. Recently a number of Samsung laptops were bricked when their users tried to install Ubuntu onto them.
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26th February 2013, 03:37 PM	#6
KoihimeNakamura Creativity Murderer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Graham, WA Posts: 6,923	No, but you'll want Desktop mode. That's pretty much it.
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26th February 2013, 03:40 PM	#7
Salerio Thinker Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 208	XP is end of life, Win 7 is current
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26th February 2013, 03:48 PM	#8
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,563	Originally Posted by Salerio XP is end of life, Win 7 is current Yes, but XP I have, and Win 7 is $~100
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26th February 2013, 04:14 PM	#9
FFed Muse Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Smithers, BC Posts: 888	After you format the drive you can put whatever you want on it. The only problem would be finding XP drivers. I ran into that issue before after putting XP on a win7 laptop. I couldn't get network drivers so I was stuck without internet.

26th February 2013, 04:28 PM	#10
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 17,323	Another issue. Do you really have XP? If you went to a shop and bought it then you probably do. But if you got it with a computer then it will not work. OED is the jargon word for the later. I also vote you leave Windows 8 on the machine and learn to use that. Also for the first 10 minutes the OP has the right to change the thread title. You will see the option in advanced mode.
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26th February 2013, 04:44 PM	#11
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,563	Originally Posted by rjh01 Another issue. Do you really have XP? If you went to a shop and bought it then you probably do. Yeah, I've got a full version. I've also got my CDs for 95 and 98. I'm like the opposite of an early adopter.
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26th February 2013, 04:54 PM	#12
Brainiac Scholar Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 119	I'm not a fan of Windows 8, but I got used to it. If you have a brand new laptop with Windows 8 pre-installed, I would strongly recommend that you simply learn all of the nuances of Windows 8. That would be a far better use of your time than trying to get an old version of Windows installed and getting all of the drivers you need to work with your new hardware. I loved Windows XP. But I don't bother with it any more. I'd rather be familiar with current technology. Heck, you might even find some things you like about it.
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26th February 2013, 05:06 PM	#13
jj grumpy old skeptic Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Deep in the rain Posts: 18,723	If you don't want W8, get W7. It will run in native 64 bit, which is more or less obligatory with that box. Running 64 bit XP is not going to be pleasant.
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27th February 2013, 10:39 AM	#14
Earthborn Terrestrial Intelligence Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Terra Firma Posts: 5,676	Originally Posted by Soapy Sam It would use less than half the RAM, too. The rest can be turned into a ramdisk, which can be put to good use by putting temporary files/scratch disks/memory caches/virtual memory on.
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27th February 2013, 11:06 AM	#15
Xulld Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 1,233	Love XP. One of the problems not mentioned is that your new laptop will likely run like your old laptop. XP does not take advantage of multi core procs.
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27th February 2013, 03:00 PM	#16
Sam.I.Am Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hunting Moose and Squirrel Posts: 4,164	Drivers will be close to impossible to get. Half of the RAM will be wasted. The CPU isn't really designed in a way that XP can fully use. All of these are good reasons to not install XP in this case. I'd seriously consider buying an old laptop instead for $100-$200 (tops). With that being said, IF you own a proper XP install disk there should be an option to do a dual boot install right at the start of the install process so if you wanted to futz around with it to see if you can get it to work to your satisfaction then I'd say give it a try, but first make sure that you have a hard copy of Windows 8 first (not just the recovery partition but a DVD with the entire OS install on it). I'd probably even go so far as to do a clean install using only that disk just to make 100% sure that it will work as intended before trying to install XP.
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27th February 2013, 10:58 PM	#17
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,563	I've had the new laptop now for a few hours and so far Windows 8 is just fine. Everything I've put on it has worked fine.
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28th February 2013, 12:29 PM	#18
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 25,929	Originally Posted by Earthborn The rest can be turned into a ramdisk, which can be put to good use by putting temporary files/scratch disks/memory caches/virtual memory on. Ramdisk. Gosh. Long time since I heard that word. Last time I used a ramdisk was with DOS 5.1 , I think. You have made me think. I have a laptop with more RAM than I regularly need. Is there a native Ramdisk creationcommand in Win 7? (Don't think so). ETA- http://www.softperfect.com/products/ramdisk/
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28th February 2013, 12:30 PM	#19
Soapy Sam NLH Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 25,929	Originally Posted by Piscivore I've had the new laptop now for a few hours and so far Windows 8 is just fine. Everything I've put on it has worked fine. Good.
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28th February 2013, 12:40 PM	#20
LTC8K6 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Directly under a deadly chemtrail Posts: 12,755	Originally Posted by Xulld Love XP. One of the problems not mentioned is that your new laptop will likely run like your old laptop. XP does not take advantage of multi core procs. XP does indeed take advantage of multi-core processors. XP was better at it than Vista, and for a while, XP was also better at it than W7. After W7 matured, it was faster. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/mic...ista,6895.html
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1st March 2013, 09:20 AM	#21
CORed Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,350	Originally Posted by Piscivore I just bought a new laptop (my first ever new new one) and the closest thing to current technology I've ever owned. It's coming with Windows 8, though, and if I don't like it all I have to replace it with is XP. Can XP run a laptop with an i5 3120, 8G ram, and a 750g HD? ETA: Title should of course read "XP", not "XL" XP: Probably not. It's likely that drivers don't exist for your hardware. Windows 7, OTOH, which is not a bad OS at all, would probably work.
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1st March 2013, 09:29 AM	#22
CORed Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,350	Originally Posted by jj If you don't want W8, get W7. It will run in native 64 bit, which is more or less obligatory with that box. Running 64 bit XP is not going to be pleasant. XP 64 isn't bad at all, but it really is an orphan OS at this point. I had to do some serious hacking to get iTunes (needed to work with my iPhone) to install on it. The chances of finding hardware drivers for XP 64 for a new machine are slim and none.
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2nd March 2013, 11:37 AM	#23
alexg Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 534	Originally Posted by LTC8K6 XP does indeed take advantage of multi-core processors. XP was better at it than Vista, and for a while, XP was also better at it than W7. After W7 matured, it was faster. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/mic...ista,6895.html Just curious, was this the "study" by Randall Kennedy, the guy dismissed from info world by misrepresenting himself as an independent researcher by another name (Craig Barth)so as to publish (likely) bogus studies showing how much faster XP was than Vista? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_C._Kennedy I remember this time well, there was a lot of talk about how slow Vista was but it turned out to be hard to quantify. Much of the bad experience had to do with bad or non-existent drivers and to putting the somewhat heavier OS on machines with inadequate RAM. Also proper testing of "OS speed" turned out to be full of difficulties. In many ways Vista felt faster to me, part of that was hardware acceleration of desktop graphics which made the fancy desktop graphics counter-intuitively quite fast. As for specifically whether it was better optimized for multi-core I am not certain, it was designed to be faster, but in the real world it is hard to say. But Randall Kennedy has zero credibility on the subject and it does appear to be his info world article referenced at Toms.
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