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13th July 2007, 08:22 PM | #1281 |
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Jeff has sent Mr. Guska the following e-mail:
Mr. Guska, I've been following your progress on the challenge, and it is my determination that it is taking far too long and protocol negotiations are unlikely to reach a mutually satisfactory conclusion any time soon. Because of this, I am terminating your application. I do appreciate your interest in the challenge and the amount of time you've spent on it, but the JREF can't afford to devote any more resources to your claim. Should you wish, you can reapply again in one year, by which time you may have perfected your protocol enough so that negotiations will be much simpler. Jeff Wagg General Manager James Randi Educational Foundation |
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Mr. Guska,
I know my change of heart regarding your application and protocol negotiations may have seemed sudden. It was my opinion that your protocol was too complex and demanded too many things which seem ridiculous for someone who claims to truly have an ability. The turning point was the moment you mentioned using lime, and I thought to myself, "Isn't that caustic?" http://www.lime.org/FactSafety12403.pdf http://www.limebase.co.uk/safety.htm http://www.virginiadot.org/business/...-AppendDAP.pdf http://www.mikewye.co.uk/limesafetydatatech.htm http://www.irishlime.com/hydrated.html I am not offering an opportunity to change your request and continue to negotiate the protocol, just trying to explain why I felt this one was a hopeless cause. Regards, Remie |
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Ya lime in a plastic container in a plastic bags is so dangerous.
It might even explode. I use it in my garden all the time and for potted plants. Lets see you wouldn't want to put it in your eyes of course you wouldn't want to put gasoline in them either. This is just a cop out. We could have used limestone aggregate. I'll find some other way to prove it. The dummies were your problem anyway. I wanted empties, with all of them placed in a bucket, which would have worked. They are running scared. |
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Mr. Guska, I said that was when I began to have misgivings. It was not the reason for your application termination, which is an inability to negotiate a protocol because of your absolute lack of clarity. Regards, Remie |
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edge - all is not lost. We've come this far, why not enlist help from the posters here that you can trust, and come up with a workable protocol and apply with someone else?
Here's one in California, for starters: http://www.iigwest.com/challenge.html Knock this one on the head, get the publicity and JREF should be obliged to test you for the Million. Also, they'll already have a protocol to work with. |
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RemieV, would we be able to get Jeff to reconsider this if a few of us worked offline with edge to hammer out a workable protocol that he is completely happy with and then have him submit a *finalised* protocol to JREF?
He still has until 2008 before his application lapses, and I think there are enough intelligent and interested posters here to help him work out a presentable, coherent protocol to JREF. Perhaps if JREF could give edge a final deadline for a comprehensive protocol it would help focus his efforts with us? |
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If you are reading in here you know now that Spectator has it written up to accommodate the time issue. As I stated before several pages back before you mentioned sand, that rubber or plastic will do for a dummy target. And before you mentioned sand, I said place a 5-gallon plastic bucket on the spot that I choose to have the containers placed on, this is to put the smaller containers into and then seal them with the lid so I can’t see the smaller container. The wind would have no effect unless it was gusting at 60 MPH or higher. I gave you several solutions but you want to use sand, which may cause false readings. SezMe and I had no problems with that issue, when he tested me on Coffee Creek. If lime is an issue I can think of several things that would work besides lime. Flour, sugar, Rit dye packets, but you can’t use sand or lead or iron or aluminum, and or titanium- etcetera. Spectators’ version of a protocol includes what I need that’s why I choose his, no offence to you EHocking, SezMe. Here is Spectators protocol, which addresses the time issue,
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I have to work out the rental of the cabins at the resort with the owner and make sure that I can dredge there which will pay for the JREF stay there. I think that this is pretty clear. If you think you have a headache you should try mine. I have a year I thought, according to your rules? |
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Thanks I'll check it out.
I think that Spectators protocol covers most of the issues and I'll use it, as it also allows me to use what I have learned through my experiments and with less fatigue. I’ll still try to do it in September on the same spot that SezMe and I did the test on Coffee Creek since it was so good, thanks for that SezMe. It’s pretty much set up, "the spot" but I’ll have to make sure and talk to the owner about testing there and reserve the cabin. He did say I could dredge there so the test still might happen there. If you have anymore links like that one post them for me I would appreciate it. Well this post almost reached 50,ooo views. If I pass a lesser challenge and win, the JREF will not test me, they won't risk it, I.M.H.O. They won't risk it now. They claim that the protocol was to complicate and they didn’t understand what I was saying, but I think it is a cop out, since they accepted as per RemieVs e-mail and we only had two more issues that was the time-line for the duration of the testing of me and the dummies in the empty containers--as you can see in the posts here, those were figured out. I know you guys are not blind and you know that I was willing to still communicate up to what I considered to be the deadline, that I kept repeating, which is in September and October. I figured after that, that I would drop out if we couldn't get a workable protocol. These guys in California might be willing and I’ll try them, I will keep you informed. |
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edge, for your info, I used to be a member of IIG. In fact, I was the Investigations Chair.
edge, out of curiosity, do you have more than one dowsing rod? How long have you had the one I saw? Is it easy to find a willow branch that you can cut and shape into a dowsing rod? How did you first discover that putting a dime on the end would allow you to dowse for metal? |
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I keep them till they break, “ the one you seen”, and that one is exceptional, it is about a year old. I'll tell you a story. I believe it was 1985 or there abouts, I was on exceptional ground and finding large amounts till it ran out. We were pulling a once or more a day. When it ran out I searched the property and found nothing according to the geological signs and knowledge. The guy I was selling my gold to, “Tim Pogue”, he had a clam on a smaller creek and was dowsing since childhood, he was taught by his father. Some how James knows him. He was about 70 years old then. His claim was loaded with all the heavy equipment you could imagine, from backhoes to D9 cats. He had several claims in several different states. He made all his money through mining. He was buying my gold to hang onto his claim in Hayfork. He was basically using that particular claim for a base, they had worked it out. To try to keep his house there and his buildings for the hired help he had to prove that he was still pulling large quantities on that claim, because of the changes in the laws in California. This worked for a while for him. Forest Service eventually leveled the buildings. I never believed in dowsing then and thought it was a bunch of B.S.. But I still couldn’t find anymore gold and told him I was bewildered. He said he would dowse the area and put me back on it, so I said, “show me”. Well he did and I was getting more and bigger pieces. 1 to 2 ounces a day. This went on for two months. That fall he taught me just like I showed you, we made a complete circuit, the two of us. He then said that if I dowsed and learned, that I would never turn a shovel of dirt with out getting what gold was available wherever I was mining. So I went home and practiced over the winter months and went mining using his method with a sluice box and shovel. I perfected the method that winter and for me it works. He had told me that when the Army Engineers couldn’t find uranium in the Southwest that he put them on the correct spot before the bomb was completed and that’s how he made his first big money. He had claims there too. He was wrong about one thing that gold in the end of the stick would only react to gold and I believe I have learned more than I was taught. I have treated this like a science project and I believe there is something of more value here. I tested myself with silver or a dime, when I ran out of gold. Gold, silver, and platinum works in the end of the willow, I tested those theories. Anything else doesn’t have the pull except copper. I can make a dowsing rod out of thick copper wire don’t know if it can find gold though. The one thing I haven’t tested is what he said he used for locating uranium ore. There is no way that the Idomotor effect can do what dowsing can demonstrate when it over comes gravity. This is where the copper wire one comes into play, it’s so heavy that it’s hard to hold out in front of you with out it slipping and falling, this should be filmed and examined. It’s not my hands or arms and I can do the demonstration just like you seen perfectly still, no movement of my arms or hands, 180-degree arch of movement with the copper-dowsing rod. The connection to the hands is so great that it burns. That's why I don't use it on the creek also. The work that it puts out is more than the energy that is put into it. You see my dilemma? How many times can I be knocked about this? You still up for this? I'll be back in the morning. |
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That's all very interesting.
As many times as you can take. As you have seen, there is no end to the supply of "knockers" (so to speak) right here. I honestly don't know. Depends. And I don't know what it depends upon. But you missed this question - I'm interested in the answer. In other words, could you create another willow dowsing rod roughly similar in size and shape to the one you have now? When you made the current willow dowsing rod, did you have to test it to make sure it worked? If so, how did you do that testing and how long did it take? |
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Well, 14 months and over 1800 posts later I would have to agree it's about time. Edge was amusing for awhile but the entertainment factor has run out.
I submit that this thread is now either locked or sent to AAH where it can die a peaceful death. There are other "applicants" who we should be giving the floor to with their "claims" without always having to listen to another excuse from Edge. Enough is enough. |
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I disagree. An integral part of an open forum is its open-ness.
On the other hand, is this cool or what: Unfazed by having his application terminated, edge continues claiming the JREF is too scared to test him and wows us with another fish tale. You couldn't make this stuff up. |
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I tried to give SezMe the history from the start of my experiences.
It's the truth you could ask James Randi if he knew him, like I said above? He has died though. He was, a good and fair man. He paid me very well and was a benefactor for miners. In memory Of Tim Well Carcass, I'm not finished yet. This is my post unless I'm in communist China all of a sudden! No one is forcing you to be on this post. The Jerf knows how to disrupt a dowsing test. Add sand; remember I tested with black sand. White sand has many specks in it too; I tested on the beaches of Florida too. Many specks of what ever. All individual hits, this I know already and I'm sure I'm not the only one. As far as excuses I didn’t back out of this next test. I figured we were close to coming to an agreement. I am still posed and ready. SezMe says,
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Look I was in the middle of testing and applied early to be in because of the change in their rules.
I still didn't back out. The testing is done and I know how to do this to pass now, as the score with SezMes' test is a good indicator. Not to mention what I know about it as I tested, the scores you no nothing of. A straightforward protocol like what the way they think it works or should? The way it has been set up by them? That's not how to pass but fail again there is a difference in the way it works in the field and the way to fail again in an office. They are not interested in the science of it or the way it works. If I was betting on a dowser failing doing it there way I would have to bet with them, they don’t want to lose. Neither do I.
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Because I won't be testing any more it should be easy to be striaght forward with them and in presenting a protocol now.
Size of the target as SezMe pointed out is all I need to check now. I mean no offence what is obvious to me is one sided. |
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I am allowed whatever target I want that part can be changed if it improves the reaction it will then make the test quicker. That part can be tweaked 5 ounces of gold vs. 5 ounces of silver. It doesn’t matter once it’s sent it’s done. To get the kind of reaction that we witnessed would help, the silver might be good I will check it why not. SezMe knows why. So it might be a test, but his protocol is good to go. If you had time what would you do? Wouldn’t you make sure about every aspect of what this entails? GzuzKryzt asks,
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No kidding??? Could it be that there is water almost everywhere under the ground...especially in Northern California???
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And you know this because....? You've dowsed it all? You're a geologist who's spent the last 20 years mapping the water table? You made it up?
I'm with the rest, kill this thread and leave it at that. Edge and his barely coherent ramblings were amusing at first, but it's growing real old real fast and there's no danger of getting him tested anytime soon. Even if he does get tested and fails again it will not be because dowsing doesn't work, it'll be because of something he makes up on the day. He has already stated that peer reviewed scientific tests are nothing compared to stories he's heard in bars. We cant test this guy, he's in a little world of his own making. |
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Here again is your misunderstanding of what the protocol is. If the protocol (would that it ever got signed off), specified '5oz silver target', then the target shall be '5oz silver target'. You would not be able to turn up with some other target and have it used.
You continuously make ambiguous vague statements and then become annoyed when people ask you to be specific and clarify. |
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edge, your application has been rejected. Your test is over, defunct, kaput, finished, gone, ceased, washed-up, wiped-out. It is a non-test. Dead and buried. Terminated like a liquid-metal robot. It's gone belly up, hopes perished and dashed. You've been eighty-sixed, done-in and ruined.
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In general, I don't keep up with these threads, so messages should NOT be directed to me in the forum. Send mail to jeff@randi.org.
However, I see there's a lot of interest in testing Edge. So.. do it. You don't need the JREF to conduct a test. Go through it all.. see what happens. If Edge (with help) develops a protocol and he passes, great. He can apply again in a year, and he can apply for the other challenges whenever he'd like. Get it working BEFORE you apply though. |
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I'll address Jeff’s statement later.
But here's what I figured would work for me and them. Till they backed out. So I changed the Jref to I.I.G.. Do the number of hits seem to be correct for the final test? Here is Spectators protocol a friend of mine, which addresses the time issue for the preliminary. I don't know statistics, so I don't know if 4 out of 5 will be an acceptable test result for the test I.I.G.PROTOCOL FOR DOWSING TESTThe claim: The dowser can successfully detect the presence of a concealed target consisting of 5 ounces of silver 4 times in 5 runs of ten attempts each, with a one-in-ten possibility of identifying the target by chance alone in each of the five runs.Material required:1 target, 5 oz. silver1 5-lb bag of flour.10 11-ounce plastic coffee containers numbered 1-10Scale and one dowsing stick with coin in the end.One tripod.Procedure:The dowser will attempt to locate the target hidden inside one of the containers. There will be five runs of ten containers each, numbered 1-10. In each run, the target will be present in one container only, and the other nine containers will be stabilized by eight ounces of flour.The containers will be prepared this way: In nine of the containers for each trial there will be eight ounces of flour. These are the dummy containers. In the remaining container there will be three ounces of flour plus the five-ounce target.All the flour dummies will be in plastic bags so transfer is easy. The target container will be determined by a random process. An individual we will call the randomizer will prepare the containers for each run; the dowser will have a representative who will verify that the container with the target actually does contain the target. This will be done by the randomizer’s, preparing five lists, consisting of numbers from 1-10. When the target container has been selected and prepared the randomizer will mark a T in the space opposite that number on the list; the dowser’s representative will initial the sheet to show that it is correct. At no time will the randomizer or the dowser’s representative be in verbal, electronic, or visual communication with the dowser; if the dowser somehow does come into contact with the randomizer or the representative, that run will be declared null and void.Before the test begins, the dowser will locate a specific spot on which all the containers will be placed, one at a time, for his dowsing test. The scale will be set up so that the dowser can attach his dowsing rod to it directly over the spot where the containers will be placed.The dowser will then move away to a waiting area and will be out of sight of the testing area at the beginning of each trial. The dowser will witness the recording of the dowser's readings by initialing each numbered list after the run of ten is complete.The randomizer will choose one of the containers in which to place the target for each run of ten. The randomizer will prepare the containers and mark the list; the dowser’s second representative will initial the list to signify that it is complete. The randomizer will signal (perhaps by blowing a whistle in a particular pattern: long-short-long, for example) the placement team when the containers are ready. The randomizer and second dowser’s representative will leave the area, and the placement team will then come to the preparation area and will one by one move the containers to the test spot for the dowsing attempt. The placement team will not know which container conceals the target. The placement team will take each container to the test site; place it on the test spot the dowser has located, and signal the dowser. Then the placement team will leave before the dowser arrives with his observer and the JREF observer(s).The dowser will use his dowsing rod on each container and will say whether the container does or does not contain the silver target.When the dowser has stated this, the observer will record his opinion on a sheet numbered 1-10. If the dowser says the target is present, the number corresponding to the container will be marked T. If not, the number will be marked 0. There can be only one T in each run of ten containers. Both the observer and the dowser will initial the finished test sheet after each run of ten.The process will be repeated five times, with the target randomly placed in a container for each time and with each container placed on the same spot for each dowsing attempt. After each container is removed, the placement team will wait a minimum of three minutes before placing the next container. After each run of ten dowsing attempts, the dowser will have a rest period of ten minutes.At the end of all 5 runs (50 dowsing trials), all participants will compare the observers' list with T marked to show which containers the dowser believes hold the target and the randomizer's record of which containers actually held the target. Until that time, the randomizer and dowser's representative will not communicate with the dowser and the I.I.G. observer in any way.To succeed, the dowser will have to correctly identify the target container four out of five times. If the dowser correctly identifies the target container three out of five times or less, that will be a failure.If I pass this preliminary the final for the Money will be a test of 100 passes with 7 out 0f 10 for the win.The time line for the final will be about 8 hours. __________________Mm, I like your conspiracy theory. Your facts are so...twisted. Your drivel so mindless. My time line is still September or October to actually have you test me. If we do the preliminary up here at Coffee creek at the Bonanza Creek Resort, I will pay for the stay of the testers. I would like to do the final there too a few days later, if scheduling permits for you. I have to work out the rental of the cabins at the resort with the owner and make sure that I can dredge there which will pay for the I.I.G.s representatives stay there. I think that this is pretty clear. Mike Guska |
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The JREF did not back out, edge.
Your application was terminated because you were unable to formulate coherent responses to simple inquiries and because you kept unnecessarily changing and introducing new elements to the test protocol. You had another chance to get the Million in your hands. You blew it. Royally. |
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First off we were to test in Japan on limestone just like in the office.
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Right, only I've been thinking after getting folks to send money the first time it'd be better to send the same answer to all of them on following weeks. If someone gets burned (which will be guaranteed if you send both answers) then it increases the chances the law gets involved, and if you're still operating on the other half that's dangerous exposure. If you just go with the line every week after that, you've got a fair chance to go for another week or two with gullible marks that are quite happy to send you money.
I've put far too much thought into that. Anyway, the idea is that given enough dowsers and enough clients, you're bound to end up with some amazing track records (and a whole pile of failures). |
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The TV producer offered this,
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About four hours split into two days or what ever they would accommodate. The only thing that changed was from the creek bank to the quarry. Time was not really an issue since it took about 4 hours at the JREF office. I was never given an explanation of what that issue was? Three days later after being turned down for that expedition I learned about the scales working in the calibration of the target and empties as I experimented. This increased my odds to the degree of 60 to 90%. I then changed the protocol to include that. I had to think of time and place since that opportunity passed. They didn't come up with anything else so I worked on that. The time-line for an opportunity came when the resort owner said I could dredge there, but not till after season which would be September. That is the last month of dredging season up here the month of September. If they couldn't do the test here, then October was the next window of opportunity, which would mean I would have to go to Florida. I wrote that, pages ago on this post. So common sense would indicate that we had a few more days to come to an agreement. And up to a year really to come to an agreement on a date to actually do the test. I won't accept a protocol that eliminates the scale as it is a major break through, and I won't take it indoors in an office or in a TV studio, And you know the reasons why. The only thing left was the placebo targets and the time issue, [length of the test, how much time] in the protocol that I had sent in. Spectator wrote up the correct protocol and it included what I needed it also took care of both issues. What good would it do to scan a TV studio and say there is no neutral ground just like in the office test at JREF headquarters even though I braved it at that time and took the test there the first time? Just for their convenience to televise a failed attempt for the second time? I don’t think so! |
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