Did you know that car bombs exploded in NYC on 9/11 :-)

BigAl · 2nd September 2007, 11:15 AM

FYI; This new web page was presented to me as proof of something or other. They seem to hang all their claims on radio calls. Of course the police were stopping every truck on every bridge on 9/11 and talking about suspicions on the radio. That's what they do and all perfectly reasonable given what we knew about the 1993 bombing.

The author of the page does his best to elevate lots of "reports of" into actual events.

http://infowars.net/articles/april2007/230407vans.htm

A much underreported aspect of the 9/11 attacks is one that concerns transmissions, sightings, reports and statements alluding to multiple mysterious suspects in different vans packed with explosives that were stopped and detained in New York while the towers were burning and in the aftermath of the attacks.

Some evidence even suggests that some of these vehicles actually exploded, and at least one was reported by mainstream media sourcing the FBI as having been parked at the base of one of the towers when it exploded and aided the collapse of the tower.

At first it sounds outlandish, but were teams of "terrorists" with huge amounts of explosives roaming around on the ground in New York on September 11th ready to jump into action and attack whichever structures or buildings they were ordered to target?

The first, and most mysterious, piece of evidence to highlight comes from an actual transmission from audio from Channel 30 NYC, one of the emergency communications channels,

beachnut · 2nd September 2007, 11:28 AM

if it is from infowars it is crap, how come they are perfect at making stupid stories?

ZENSMACK89 · 2nd September 2007, 11:30 AM

There are conflicting reports
http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/2006/05...l-van-coverup/

NYPD radio transcript:

officer: “I got a message on that uh plane, it’s a big truck with a mural painted of a of a airplane diving into New York City and exploding [inaudible] know what’s in the truck, the truck is in between 6th and 7th on King Street“

officer: [inaudible] are you holding those two guys [inaudible] (kay?)

multiple voices/commotion: [inaudible] f#@!ing beat the s$#! out of him.

[..]

multiple voices/commotion: [inaudible] f#@!ing s$#! out of him [inaudible]

officer: all right listen you need any [inaudible] on those two guys over there? you all right over there kay?

officer: “we got both suspects under kay, we have the suspects who drive…drove in the van and that exploded we have both of them under kay let’s get some help over here”

This was all revised in the MTI report to…

“There were continuing moments of alarm. A panel truck with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center was stopped near the temporary command post. It proved to be rented to a group of ethnic Middle Eastern people who did not speak English. Fearing that it might be a truck bomb, the NYPD immediately evacuated the area, called out the bomb squad, and detained the occupants until a thorough search was made. The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck.”
(source: MTI Report 02/06)

beachnut · 2nd September 2007, 11:43 AM

why is infowars always wrong? Looks like this web site is also full of woo! http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/ A no fact truther site was found by Zen, good work, this web site if full of false information. Good Job. Seems like you can identify lots of bad information on 9/11, keep up the good work.

parky76 · 2nd September 2007, 11:45 AM

amazing. car bomb blows up in manhattan..and nobody notices.

pomeroo · 2nd September 2007, 12:00 PM

The pathetic p-dope has peddled this rubbish for some time.

tsire · 2nd September 2007, 12:08 PM

Is anyone surprised that infowars would make something up like this?

Like honestly, nobody noticed?

I liked what it said at the bottom of the page.

Quote:

INFOWARS: BECAUSE THERE'S A WAR ON FOR YOUR MIND

uk_dave · 2nd September 2007, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by tsire

Is anyone surprised that infowars would make something up like this?

Like honestly, nobody noticed?

Well so long as nobody was killed or injured by the truck bomb.... and no property was damaged by it.... and no one heard it explode.... and no one saw it explode..... then it's perfectly acceptable to believe that it happened......

...... if you're a 'truther'.

jhunter1163 · 2nd September 2007, 12:18 PM

Must have been a truck-mounted Hushabomb™.

Alt+F4 · 2nd September 2007, 12:20 PM

I have seen the 9/11 mystery van and am determined to get a photo of it eventually! Until then, here's a garbage truck owned by the same company, Manhattan Demolition, located in Long Island City, Queens.

Note that the word demolition is right over the World Trade Center. The phrases "radio controlled" and "the skies the limit" also fit into the original story. The vehicle I saw was a white van with the exact same markings as this red truck. Unfortunately I didn't have my camera with me.

Considering the confusion of that morning I belive the Manhattan Demolition van is the van in question.

leftysergeant · 2nd September 2007, 01:35 PM

There were. of course, some cars blowing up that day. Or, at least, their gas tanks. So many cars caught fire that the fire department could not get to all of them, especially in parked where there were no known persons to rescue. They had other things to do.

firecoins · 2nd September 2007, 02:11 PM

are you saying that the mob blew up the WTC?

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

I have seen the 9/11 mystery van and am determined to get a photo of it eventually! Until then, here's a garbage truck owned by the same company, Manhattan Demolition, located in Long Island City, Queens.

Note that the word demolition is right over the World Trade Center. The phrases "radio controlled" and "the skies the limit" also fit into the original story. The vehicle I saw was a white van with the exact same markings as this red truck. Unfortunately I didn't have my camera with me.

Considering the confusion of that morning I belive the Manhattan Demolition van is the van in question.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...hoto/truck.jpg

ZENSMACK89 · 2nd September 2007, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

I have seen the 9/11 mystery van and am determined to get a photo of it eventually! Until then, here's a garbage truck owned by the same company, Manhattan Demolition, located in Long Island City, Queens.

Note that the word demolition is right over the World Trade Center. The phrases "radio controlled" and "the skies the limit" also fit into the original story. The vehicle I saw was a white van with the exact same markings as this red truck. Unfortunately I didn't have my camera with me.

Considering the confusion of that morning I belive the Manhattan Demolition van is the van in question.

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...hoto/truck.jpg

Except that even in the MTI report they claim it was a delivery truck with with middle Eastern men who didn't speak english.

Alt+F4 · 2nd September 2007, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by ZENSMACK89

Except that even in the MTI report they claim it was a delivery truck with with middle Eastern men who didn't speak english.

I'm sure it was delivering something related to demolitions since that it's business. In NYC it's very common to employ delivery people that don't speak one word of English.

You have to remember that in NYC (as around the country) there was a strong anti-Muslim, anti-Arab, anti-Middle Eastern sentiment in the weeks/months after 9/11. Some situations ended in violence. About half the Muslim students attending the school I teach at didn't return for months after 9/11 due to their fear of violence.

On September 11, 2001 three different people swore to me they saw helicopters hit the South Tower. There was talk of bombs and explosions all over the place. On the night of September 13, 2001 I was positive I heard another plane crashing near my house. It was thunder.

Roadtoad · 2nd September 2007, 02:49 PM

Another pantload from the conspiracy kooks.

As has been pointed out, there were cars with fuel tanks ruptured and rupturing during the attack on the WTC. The fire department had other things to do at the time. The idea of car and truck bombs going off at the time is absurd on the face of it, but worst of all, this is simply a means by which these people are trying to deflect any examination of their bizarre world view. Enough.

Frankly, for all their claims of trying to "resist tyranny," they're actually leading us towards greater tyranny. And while they think they might wind up in charge, the reality is that the very people they claim they're against will be the ones on top.

cloudshipsrule · 2nd September 2007, 02:56 PM

Quote:

amazing. car bomb blows up in manhattan..and nobody notices.

One theory is that the WTC towers were hit by planes and then demo'd to distract everyone's attention away from the car bombs. Sounds like it worked.

NYCEMT86 · 2nd September 2007, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

I'm sure it was delivering something related to demolitions since that it's business. In NYC it's very common to employ delivery people that don't speak one word of English.

You have to remember that in NYC (as around the country) there was a strong anti-Muslim, anti-Arab, anti-Middle Eastern sentiment in the weeks/months after 9/11. Some situations ended in violence. About half the Muslim students attending the school I teach at didn't return for months after 9/11 due to their fear of violence.

On September 11, 2001 three different people swore to me they saw helicopters hit the South Tower. There was talk of bombs and explosions all over the place. On the night of September 13, 2001 I was positive I heard another plane crashing near my house. It was thunder.

And it didn't help when flight 587 crashed into the Rockaways, I swore it was another terrorist attack.

Alt+F4 · 2nd September 2007, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by NYCEMT86

And it didn't help when flight 587 crashed into the Rockaways, I swore it was another terrorist attack.

Yup, everyone did.

Crazy Chainsaw · 2nd September 2007, 08:31 PM

The truck with the plane was, well it was actually a helicopter and spider man caught it in a web between the twin towers, the scene was even cut from the movie and replaced.
They were delivering spider man movie picture posters on 9/11/2001 that showed spiderman and the twin towers, he as I said was catching a helicopter with a web between the buildings.
The police actually blew up a truck full of movie posters, if some one can find me one of them I would like to have one there a collectors Item as they were recalled only one or two are now known to exist.
However if you could find me one I would apreciate it!

Cl1mh4224rd · 2nd September 2007, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by cloudshipsrule

One theory is that the WTC towers were hit by planes and then demo'd to distract everyone's attention away from the car bombs. Sounds like it worked.

It worked so well that no one even noticed the aftermath of these car bombs!

leftysergeant · 2nd September 2007, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Roadtoad

Frankly, for all their claims of trying to "resist tyranny," they're actually leading us towards greater tyranny. And while they think they might wind up in charge, the reality is that the very people they claim they're against will be the ones on top.

Haven't you noticed how many of the more extreme theories first appeared on overtly white-nationalist and Holocaust denial sites?

tsire · 2nd September 2007, 10:11 PM

isnt that were most of the theories started, well after it all started in france?

leftysergeant · 2nd September 2007, 10:19 PM

What? They got no anti-Semites in France?

I don't know as much about Thierry Meyssan as I do about Bunel. Bunel just has his undies in a bunch because his military career wound up in the toilet after he got caught betraying his commrades to the enemy during the Kosovo operation. And his blather about the fire fighting equipment and the blast effects at the Pentagon proved him a liar, when one reads his outrageous claim to be currently an artillery officer and expert on fire fighting.

Roadtoad · 3rd September 2007, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Haven't you noticed how many of the more extreme theories first appeared on overtly white-nationalist and Holocaust denial sites?

Hey, no kidding.

Drudgewire · 3rd September 2007, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by beachnut

if it is from infowars it is crap, how come they are perfect at making stupid stories?

It's for those who never figured out Weekly World News isn't really hard-hitting, investigative journalism.

JimBenArm · 3rd September 2007, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by Drudgewire

It's for those who never figured out Weekly World News isn't really hard-hitting, investigative journalism. http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/ssh.gif

But what about BatBoy? You mean he's not real? But the CIT said they saw him North of the Citgo...

Roadtoad · 3rd September 2007, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by JimBenArm

But what about BatBoy? You mean he's not real? But the CIT said they saw him North of the Citgo...

Just can't keep up with anything, can you?

Bat Boy's now working as the Maitre'd at Spago.

JimBenArm · 3rd September 2007, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Roadtoad

Just can't keep up with anything, can you?

Bat Boy's now working as the Maitre'd at Spago.

Oh, haven't been to Spago in a while. Have to stop in and say hi!

PhantomWolf · 3rd September 2007, 08:21 PM

I guess the news reports stating that a truck bomb had blown up at the US Capitol in Washington DC were all true as well.

stilicho · 3rd September 2007, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by beachnut

why is infowars always wrong? Looks like this web site is also full of woo! http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/ A no fact truther site was found by Zen, good work, this web site if full of false information. Good Job. Seems like you can identify lots of bad information on 9/11, keep up the good work.

I read that Mineta Transportation Institute report and it does look real. The problem is that the truck bomb anecdote isn't footnoted. And the truck is not a garbage truck; no mention of what colours appeared on it.

Hard to say why they'd include it if it was unverifiable.

MaGZ · 5th September 2007, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by leftysergeant

Haven't you noticed how many of the more extreme theories first appeared on overtly white-nationalist and Holocaust denial sites?

Could you provide an example of a conspiracy theory currently on the LC forum that originally appeared on a White Nationalist or a Holocaust Revisionist site?

Do you think leftist sites are immune to conspiracy theories?

SpaceMonkeyZero · 5th September 2007, 05:50 AM

I recalling hearing that day reports of car bombs all over, including Washington D.C. (Not at the Pentagon)

But infowars taking "fog of war" confusing reports as fact isn't anything new for them. To them, speculation and conjecture would be admissible in a court of law to convict someone of a crime. (As long as they were an enemy to "truth")

SpaceMonkeyZero · 5th September 2007, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by MaGZ

Could you provide an example of a conspiracy theory currently on the LC forum that originally appeared on a White Nationalist or a Holocaust Revisionist site?

Do you think leftist sites are immune to conspiracy theories?

I agree. While the neo-nazi-wannabes are quick to pick up the Alex Jones torch and light a cross with it, there are MANY on the far left who believe these CT's as well. Hell, Hugo Chavez was a proponent for an investigation that would prove GWB was in on it. He's pretty far to the left, and sliding fast since Castro's been doing his weekend at Bernie's impression.

Truthers are on both fringes of the political spectrum. There's one thing that brings the far right and far left together: hatred and distrust of Jews.

TC329 · 5th September 2007, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by ZENSMACK89

There are conflicting reports
http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/2006/05...l-van-coverup/

NYPD radio transcript:

officer: “I got a message on that uh plane, it’s a big truck with a mural painted of a of a airplane diving into New York City and exploding [inaudible] know what’s in the truck, the truck is in between 6th and 7th on King Street“

officer: [inaudible] are you holding those two guys [inaudible] (kay?)

multiple voices/commotion: [inaudible] f#@!ing beat the s$#! out of him.

[..]

multiple voices/commotion: [inaudible] f#@!ing s$#! out of him [inaudible]

officer: all right listen you need any [inaudible] on those two guys over there? you all right over there kay?

officer: “we got both suspects under kay, we have the suspects who drive…drove in the van and that exploded we have both of them under kay let’s get some help over here”

This was all revised in the MTI report to…

“There were continuing moments of alarm. A panel truck with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center was stopped near the temporary command post on 9/11. It proved to be rented to a group of ethnic Middle Eastern people who did not speak English. Fearing that it might be a truck bomb, the NYPD immediately evacuated the area, called out the bomb squad, and detained the occupants until a thorough search was made. The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck that just so happened to have a mural of a plane flying into the WTC on 9/11.”
(source: MTI Report 02/06)

My additions to the report added in large lettering. Perhaps this wakes one of you guys up?

Brainache · 5th September 2007, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by TC329

My additions to the report added in large lettering. Perhaps this wakes one of you guys up?

Umm... are you seriously suggesting that terrorists go around with pictures of their crimes painted on their vans? Wouldn't that be a bit like some guy breaking into your house wearing a T-shirt with "BURGLAR" written on it?

Gravy · 5th September 2007, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by MaGZ

Could you provide an example of a conspiracy theory currently on the LC forum that originally appeared on a White Nationalist or a Holocaust Revisionist site?

Do you think leftist sites are immune to conspiracy theories?

AK Dewdney's cell phone reception in airplanes research, "Project Achilles," debuted on a Holocaust revisionist site.

The first "controlled demolition" claim that I'm aware of was written by Peter Meyer of serendipity.li on 9/13/01.

Writing in the AFP, Christopher Bollyn made the claims that ZIM shipping suspiciously moved out of the WTC shortly before the attacks and that Benjamin Chertoff of Popular Mechanics is the cousin of Michael Chertoff, director of Homeland Security.

Eric Hufschmid's 2002 book "Painful Questions" proffered several minor new theories about the WTC collapses and Pentagon attack.

TC329 · 5th September 2007, 10:33 PM

I'm just showing you what happened and pointing out the day it happened.

How about you do the math and show us all what the odds are that on the only day in history Middle Eastern men are alleged to have flown planes into buildings that a van with a painting of a plane flying into the WTC would be stopped nearby with Middle Eastern men driving it.

On the same day another van (with no mural) would stop Middle Eastern men who happened to have box cutters, large amount of cash, passports belonging to Middle Eastern men other than themselves, and bomb sniffing dogs would react to their van in a way that shows traces of explosives although it is said none were found.

Do the math on that and then come back here.

PhantomWolf · 5th September 2007, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Brainache

Umm... are you seriously suggesting that terrorists go around with pictures of their crimes painted on their vans? Wouldn't that be a bit like some guy breaking into your house wearing a T-shirt with "BURGLAR" written on it?

Only if it's a black and white striped one and he has Swag on the side of the bag.

But honestly, how do you have a picture of a plane flying over the skyline and crashing into a building? Surely it is either flying or crashed, you can't have both without animation.

Brainache · 5th September 2007, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by TC329

I'm just showing you what happened and pointing out the day it happened.

How about you do the math and show us all what the odds are that on the only day in history Middle Eastern men are alleged to have flown planes into buildings that a van with a painting of a plane flying into the WTC would be stopped nearby with Middle Eastern men driving it.

Well for a start I'm not good at maths, but I'd first have to be sure that such a van actually exists. I mean you say that this painted van was stopped and it had a picture of a plane flying into the WTC on it, but I don't believe it. Where did you hear this story?

Quote:

On the same day another van (with no mural) would stop Middle Eastern men who happened to have box cutters, large amount of cash, passports belonging to Middle Eastern men other than themselves, and bomb sniffing dogs would react to their van in a way that shows traces of explosives although it is said none were found.

Do the math on that and then come back here.

More maths? Damn! These are the guys stopped outside NYC somewhere? Could you find the source of this story for me, because it seems to have grown considerably since the last time I heard it.

DarkMagician · 5th September 2007, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Brainache

Umm... are you seriously suggesting that terrorists go around with pictures of their crimes painted on their vans? Wouldn't that be a bit like some guy breaking into your house wearing a T-shirt with "BURGLAR" written on it?

What next? Are you going to tell me banks are not filled with bags that have dollar signs printed on them?

2nd September 2007, 11:15 AM	#1
BigAl Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 3,058	Did you know that car bombs exploded in NYC on 9/11 :-) FYI; This new web page was presented to me as proof of something or other. They seem to hang all their claims on radio calls. Of course the police were stopping every truck on every bridge on 9/11 and talking about suspicions on the radio. That's what they do and all perfectly reasonable given what we knew about the 1993 bombing. The author of the page does his best to elevate lots of "reports of" into actual events. http://infowars.net/articles/april2007/230407vans.htm A much underreported aspect of the 9/11 attacks is one that concerns transmissions, sightings, reports and statements alluding to multiple mysterious suspects in different vans packed with explosives that were stopped and detained in New York while the towers were burning and in the aftermath of the attacks. Some evidence even suggests that some of these vehicles actually exploded, and at least one was reported by mainstream media sourcing the FBI as having been parked at the base of one of the towers when it exploded and aided the collapse of the tower. At first it sounds outlandish, but were teams of "terrorists" with huge amounts of explosives roaming around on the ground in New York on September 11th ready to jump into action and attack whichever structures or buildings they were ordered to target? The first, and most mysterious, piece of evidence to highlight comes from an actual transmission from audio from Channel 30 NYC, one of the emergency communications channels,
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2nd September 2007, 11:30 AM	#3
ZENSMACK89 Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,068	There are conflicting reports http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/2006/05...l-van-coverup/ NYPD radio transcript: officer: “I got a message on that uh plane, it’s a big truck with a mural painted of a of a airplane diving into New York City and exploding [inaudible] know what’s in the truck, the truck is in between 6th and 7th on King Street“ officer: [inaudible] are you holding those two guys [inaudible] (kay?) multiple voices/commotion: [inaudible] f#@!ing beat the s$#! out of him. [..] multiple voices/commotion: [inaudible] f#@!ing s$#! out of him [inaudible] officer: all right listen you need any [inaudible] on those two guys over there? you all right over there kay? officer: “we got both suspects under kay, we have the suspects who drive…drove in the van and that exploded we have both of them under kay let’s get some help over here” This was all revised in the MTI report to… “There were continuing moments of alarm. A panel truck with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center was stopped near the temporary command post. It proved to be rented to a group of ethnic Middle Eastern people who did not speak English. Fearing that it might be a truck bomb, the NYPD immediately evacuated the area, called out the bomb squad, and detained the occupants until a thorough search was made. The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck.” (source: MTI Report 02/06)
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2nd September 2007, 11:43 AM	#4
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hot tub Posts: 12,619	why is infowars always wrong? Looks like this web site is also full of woo! http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/ A no fact truther site was found by Zen, good work, this web site if full of false information. Good Job. Seems like you can identify lots of bad information on 9/11, keep up the good work.
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tsire Scholar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: London ON Posts: 81	Is anyone surprised that infowars would make something up like this? Like honestly, nobody noticed? I liked what it said at the bottom of the page. Quote: INFOWARS: BECAUSE THERE'S A WAR ON FOR YOUR MIND
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uk_dave Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 5,627	Originally Posted by tsire Is anyone surprised that infowars would make something up like this? Like honestly, nobody noticed? Well so long as nobody was killed or injured by the truck bomb.... and no property was damaged by it.... and no one heard it explode.... and no one saw it explode..... then it's perfectly acceptable to believe that it happened...... ...... if you're a 'truther'.
uk_dave Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 5,627	__________________ Those evil-natured robots they're programmed to destroy us she's gotta be strong to fight them so she's taking lots of vitamins

2nd September 2007, 11:28 AM	#2
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Hot tub Posts: 12,619	if it is from infowars it is crap, how come they are perfect at making stupid stories?

2nd September 2007, 11:45 AM	#5
parky76 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 15,499	amazing. car bomb blows up in manhattan..and nobody notices.

2nd September 2007, 12:00 PM	#6
pomeroo Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In a Little Cafe Just the Other Side of the Border Posts: 7,090	The pathetic p-dope has peddled this rubbish for some time.

2nd September 2007, 12:18 PM	#9
jhunter1163 Beer-Swilling Semiliterate Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Room 118, Bohemian Grove Marriott Posts: 5,813	Must have been a truck-mounted Hushabomb™.
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2nd September 2007, 12:20 PM	#10
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 4,853	I have seen the 9/11 mystery van and am determined to get a photo of it eventually! Until then, here's a garbage truck owned by the same company, Manhattan Demolition, located in Long Island City, Queens. Note that the word demolition is right over the World Trade Center. The phrases "radio controlled" and "the skies the limit" also fit into the original story. The vehicle I saw was a white van with the exact same markings as this red truck. Unfortunately I didn't have my camera with me. Considering the confusion of that morning I belive the Manhattan Demolition van is the van in question.
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2nd September 2007, 01:35 PM	#11
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	There were. of course, some cars blowing up that day. Or, at least, their gas tanks. So many cars caught fire that the fire department could not get to all of them, especially in parked where there were no known persons to rescue. They had other things to do.

2nd September 2007, 02:11 PM	#12
firecoins Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nyack, NY Posts: 3,065	are you saying that the mob blew up the WTC? Originally Posted by Alt+F4 I have seen the 9/11 mystery van and am determined to get a photo of it eventually! Until then, here's a garbage truck owned by the same company, Manhattan Demolition, located in Long Island City, Queens. Note that the word demolition is right over the World Trade Center. The phrases "radio controlled" and "the skies the limit" also fit into the original story. The vehicle I saw was a white van with the exact same markings as this red truck. Unfortunately I didn't have my camera with me. Considering the confusion of that morning I belive the Manhattan Demolition van is the van in question. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...hoto/truck.jpg
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2nd September 2007, 02:14 PM	#13
ZENSMACK89 Banned Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,068	Originally Posted by Alt+F4 I have seen the 9/11 mystery van and am determined to get a photo of it eventually! Until then, here's a garbage truck owned by the same company, Manhattan Demolition, located in Long Island City, Queens. Note that the word demolition is right over the World Trade Center. The phrases "radio controlled" and "the skies the limit" also fit into the original story. The vehicle I saw was a white van with the exact same markings as this red truck. Unfortunately I didn't have my camera with me. Considering the confusion of that morning I belive the Manhattan Demolition van is the van in question. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p...hoto/truck.jpg Except that even in the MTI report they claim it was a delivery truck with with middle Eastern men who didn't speak english.
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2nd September 2007, 02:45 PM	#14
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 4,853	Originally Posted by ZENSMACK89 Except that even in the MTI report they claim it was a delivery truck with with middle Eastern men who didn't speak english. I'm sure it was delivering something related to demolitions since that it's business. In NYC it's very common to employ delivery people that don't speak one word of English. You have to remember that in NYC (as around the country) there was a strong anti-Muslim, anti-Arab, anti-Middle Eastern sentiment in the weeks/months after 9/11. Some situations ended in violence. About half the Muslim students attending the school I teach at didn't return for months after 9/11 due to their fear of violence. On September 11, 2001 three different people swore to me they saw helicopters hit the South Tower. There was talk of bombs and explosions all over the place. On the night of September 13, 2001 I was positive I heard another plane crashing near my house. It was thunder.
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2nd September 2007, 02:49 PM	#15
Roadtoad Bufo Caminus Inedibilis Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Looking for a decent Taco... Posts: 11,882	Another pantload from the conspiracy kooks. As has been pointed out, there were cars with fuel tanks ruptured and rupturing during the attack on the WTC. The fire department had other things to do at the time. The idea of car and truck bombs going off at the time is absurd on the face of it, but worst of all, this is simply a means by which these people are trying to deflect any examination of their bizarre world view. Enough. Frankly, for all their claims of trying to "resist tyranny," they're actually leading us towards greater tyranny. And while they think they might wind up in charge, the reality is that the very people they claim they're against will be the ones on top.
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2nd September 2007, 02:56 PM	#16
cloudshipsrule Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,171	Quote: amazing. car bomb blows up in manhattan..and nobody notices. One theory is that the WTC towers were hit by planes and then demo'd to distract everyone's attention away from the car bombs. Sounds like it worked.

2nd September 2007, 02:58 PM	#17
NYCEMT86 Muse Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Slums of Brooklyn Posts: 781	Originally Posted by Alt+F4 I'm sure it was delivering something related to demolitions since that it's business. In NYC it's very common to employ delivery people that don't speak one word of English. You have to remember that in NYC (as around the country) there was a strong anti-Muslim, anti-Arab, anti-Middle Eastern sentiment in the weeks/months after 9/11. Some situations ended in violence. About half the Muslim students attending the school I teach at didn't return for months after 9/11 due to their fear of violence. On September 11, 2001 three different people swore to me they saw helicopters hit the South Tower. There was talk of bombs and explosions all over the place. On the night of September 13, 2001 I was positive I heard another plane crashing near my house. It was thunder. And it didn't help when flight 587 crashed into the Rockaways, I swore it was another terrorist attack.
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2nd September 2007, 03:03 PM	#18
Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 4,853	Originally Posted by NYCEMT86 And it didn't help when flight 587 crashed into the Rockaways, I swore it was another terrorist attack. Yup, everyone did.
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2nd September 2007, 08:31 PM	#19
Crazy Chainsaw Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,126	The truck with the plane was, well it was actually a helicopter and spider man caught it in a web between the twin towers, the scene was even cut from the movie and replaced. They were delivering spider man movie picture posters on 9/11/2001 that showed spiderman and the twin towers, he as I said was catching a helicopter with a web between the buildings. The police actually blew up a truck full of movie posters, if some one can find me one of them I would like to have one there a collectors Item as they were recalled only one or two are now known to exist. However if you could find me one I would apreciate it!

2nd September 2007, 09:09 PM	#20
Cl1mh4224rd Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Belle Vernon, PA, USA Posts: 4,047	Originally Posted by cloudshipsrule One theory is that the WTC towers were hit by planes and then demo'd to distract everyone's attention away from the car bombs. Sounds like it worked. It worked so well that no one even noticed the aftermath of these car bombs!

2nd September 2007, 10:09 PM	#21
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	Originally Posted by Roadtoad Frankly, for all their claims of trying to "resist tyranny," they're actually leading us towards greater tyranny. And while they think they might wind up in charge, the reality is that the very people they claim they're against will be the ones on top. Haven't you noticed how many of the more extreme theories first appeared on overtly white-nationalist and Holocaust denial sites?

2nd September 2007, 10:11 PM	#22
tsire Scholar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: London ON Posts: 81	isnt that were most of the theories started, well after it all started in france?

2nd September 2007, 10:19 PM	#23
leftysergeant Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Spanaway WA Posts: 6,717	What? They got no anti-Semites in France? I don't know as much about Thierry Meyssan as I do about Bunel. Bunel just has his undies in a bunch because his military career wound up in the toilet after he got caught betraying his commrades to the enemy during the Kosovo operation. And his blather about the fire fighting equipment and the blast effects at the Pentagon proved him a liar, when one reads his outrageous claim to be currently an artillery officer and expert on fire fighting.

3rd September 2007, 10:55 AM	#24
Roadtoad Bufo Caminus Inedibilis Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Looking for a decent Taco... Posts: 11,882	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Haven't you noticed how many of the more extreme theories first appeared on overtly white-nationalist and Holocaust denial sites? Hey, no kidding.
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3rd September 2007, 11:05 AM	#25
Drudgewire Critical Doofus Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8,231	Originally Posted by beachnut if it is from infowars it is crap, how come they are perfect at making stupid stories? It's for those who never figured out Weekly World News isn't really hard-hitting, investigative journalism.
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3rd September 2007, 07:56 PM	#26
JimBenArm Sir Barbarella of Corndogia Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 7,807	Originally Posted by Drudgewire It's for those who never figured out Weekly World News isn't really hard-hitting, investigative journalism. http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/ssh.gif But what about BatBoy? You mean he's not real? But the CIT said they saw him North of the Citgo...
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3rd September 2007, 08:03 PM	#27
Roadtoad Bufo Caminus Inedibilis Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Looking for a decent Taco... Posts: 11,882	Originally Posted by JimBenArm But what about BatBoy? You mean he's not real? But the CIT said they saw him North of the Citgo... Just can't keep up with anything, can you? Bat Boy's now working as the Maitre'd at Spago.
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3rd September 2007, 08:13 PM	#28
JimBenArm Sir Barbarella of Corndogia Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 7,807	Originally Posted by Roadtoad Just can't keep up with anything, can you? Bat Boy's now working as the Maitre'd at Spago. Oh, haven't been to Spago in a while. Have to stop in and say hi!
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3rd September 2007, 08:21 PM	#29
PhantomWolf Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base Posts: 4,853	I guess the news reports stating that a truck bomb had blown up at the US Capitol in Washington DC were all true as well.
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3rd September 2007, 09:39 PM	#30
stilicho Master Poster Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,012	Originally Posted by beachnut why is infowars always wrong? Looks like this web site is also full of woo! http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/ A no fact truther site was found by Zen, good work, this web site if full of false information. Good Job. Seems like you can identify lots of bad information on 9/11, keep up the good work. I read that Mineta Transportation Institute report and it does look real. The problem is that the truck bomb anecdote isn't footnoted. And the truck is not a garbage truck; no mention of what colours appeared on it. Hard to say why they'd include it if it was unverifiable.
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5th September 2007, 04:49 AM	#31
MaGZ Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,404	Originally Posted by leftysergeant Haven't you noticed how many of the more extreme theories first appeared on overtly white-nationalist and Holocaust denial sites? Could you provide an example of a conspiracy theory currently on the LC forum that originally appeared on a White Nationalist or a Holocaust Revisionist site? Do you think leftist sites are immune to conspiracy theories?
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5th September 2007, 05:50 AM	#32
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hi Barb!!!!! Posts: 1,285	I recalling hearing that day reports of car bombs all over, including Washington D.C. (Not at the Pentagon) But infowars taking "fog of war" confusing reports as fact isn't anything new for them. To them, speculation and conjecture would be admissible in a court of law to convict someone of a crime. (As long as they were an enemy to "truth")
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5th September 2007, 05:55 AM	#33
SpaceMonkeyZero Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: hi Barb!!!!! Posts: 1,285	Originally Posted by MaGZ Could you provide an example of a conspiracy theory currently on the LC forum that originally appeared on a White Nationalist or a Holocaust Revisionist site? Do you think leftist sites are immune to conspiracy theories? I agree. While the neo-nazi-wannabes are quick to pick up the Alex Jones torch and light a cross with it, there are MANY on the far left who believe these CT's as well. Hell, Hugo Chavez was a proponent for an investigation that would prove GWB was in on it. He's pretty far to the left, and sliding fast since Castro's been doing his weekend at Bernie's impression. Truthers are on both fringes of the political spectrum. There's one thing that brings the far right and far left together: hatred and distrust of Jews.
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5th September 2007, 10:13 PM	#34
TC329 Banned Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,459	Originally Posted by ZENSMACK89 There are conflicting reports http://culhavoc.blogsome.com/2006/05...l-van-coverup/ NYPD radio transcript: officer: “I got a message on that uh plane, it’s a big truck with a mural painted of a of a airplane diving into New York City and exploding [inaudible] know what’s in the truck, the truck is in between 6th and 7th on King Street“ officer: [inaudible] are you holding those two guys [inaudible] (kay?) multiple voices/commotion: [inaudible] f#@!ing beat the s$#! out of him. [..] multiple voices/commotion: [inaudible] f#@!ing s$#! out of him [inaudible] officer: all right listen you need any [inaudible] on those two guys over there? you all right over there kay? officer: “we got both suspects under kay, we have the suspects who drive…drove in the van and that exploded we have both of them under kay let’s get some help over here” This was all revised in the MTI report to… “There were continuing moments of alarm. A panel truck with a painting of a plane flying into the World Trade Center was stopped near the temporary command post on 9/11. It proved to be rented to a group of ethnic Middle Eastern people who did not speak English. Fearing that it might be a truck bomb, the NYPD immediately evacuated the area, called out the bomb squad, and detained the occupants until a thorough search was made. The vehicle was found to be an innocent delivery truck that just so happened to have a mural of a plane flying into the WTC on 9/11.” (source: MTI Report 02/06) My additions to the report added in large lettering. Perhaps this wakes one of you guys up?
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5th September 2007, 10:29 PM	#35
Brainache Nasty Brutish and Tall Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Sinny 'Straya. Posts: 4,925	Originally Posted by TC329 My additions to the report added in large lettering. Perhaps this wakes one of you guys up? Umm... are you seriously suggesting that terrorists go around with pictures of their crimes painted on their vans? Wouldn't that be a bit like some guy breaking into your house wearing a T-shirt with "BURGLAR" written on it?