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8th February 2007, 10:10 AM | #1 |
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Directed Energy Weapons ??
I have been advised that these absolutely do exist, I have never heard of them, google isnt any help...
Can someone explain what this is, or more accurately, do they exist and if not how do I explain that with credible links, etc. ?? |
8th February 2007, 10:16 AM | #2 |
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Depends on what you're talking about. "Directed energy" is quite ambiguous. I remember reading that we do have such tools based on some of the ideas that Tesla came up with, for things like small medical applications, etc- but as for the big space weapons/air squadron destroyers... no.
I also remember reading an article responding to some of the weather manufacturing claims that point out that the 2nd law of thermodynamics shows that such things cannot exist in reality. I'm no physics major, though. |
8th February 2007, 10:22 AM | #3 |
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At a high level, would not a laser be a "directed energy weapon"? The issue with these wrt WTC is that power needed to be effective on the scale, and at the distances necessary, is prohibitive.
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8th February 2007, 10:30 AM | #4 |
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Yes, things like the Airborne Laser are "directed energy" weapons. They exist, and function, but they can't do most of the fantastic stuff that some people claim they can.
And anything that mentions HAARP or weather control is just insane, and should probably be discounted automatically. |
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8th February 2007, 10:37 AM | #5 |
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8th February 2007, 10:43 AM | #6 |
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What about rifles? Don't they direct kinetic energy?
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8th February 2007, 10:56 AM | #7 |
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Broaden your search to "Particle Beam Weapons". You'll get the skinny on endoatmospheric, exoatmospheric and the phone book on anti-missile defense.
The twoofers seem to think that if this type of weaponry has been wished for, or researched, or funded, or lab-tested in smaller scale or whatnot - then they HAVE to be considered as a plausible explanation for destruction of the WTC complex. I had one twoofer try to explain, in twooferly fashion, that these giant beam weapons were "hidden" amongst all the orbiting space junk. Twoofers will say anything to avoid admitting that they are dead wrong. |
8th February 2007, 11:03 AM | #8 |
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I used to direct energy beam weapons. They are such prima donnas, though, always wanting to have the spotlight!
That's why I switched to producer. Less stress. |
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8th February 2007, 11:10 AM | #9 |
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The latest 'theory' about directed beam weapons being used to bring the towers and WTC 7 down was put forth by Woods and Reynolds.
Last I looked at their webpage devoted to this they had not even bothered to give any niggling little technical details such as the type of 'beam', laser or particle, let alone come up with a frequency of a laser or type of particle that could affect steel and concrete in the manner that they characterize was occuring on 9/11/01, nor had they calculated the power output of such a device(if 100% efficient it would have to equal the power required to do what they characterize as occuring on 9/11/01) or what power source could be ustilized to run the weapon. In other words the whole thing is no better than anything Gene Roddenberry came up with for the various "Star Trek" series', it all fantasy. |
8th February 2007, 11:12 AM | #11 |
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I hear ya. They still tell that story on the Warner Brothers lot when you were directing "You Can Call Me Ray". Remember? The beam weapon went into its trailer for the meal break, then wouldn't come out until its trailer interior was decorated in mauve and teal color tones. Because they reminded it of its home planet.
So cool how you got it to come out. Remember you got a bunch of extras to gather in the commissary parking lot? They all were wearing mauve and teal T-shirts with "9/11 Was An Inside Job" on them. Beamo busted open the trailer door quicker than you could say "Pull it!", and you were able to get the shot. Oh, do the boys laugh and love telling that one at WB... |
8th February 2007, 11:13 AM | #12 |
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8th February 2007, 11:17 AM | #13 |
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8th February 2007, 12:43 PM | #15 |
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Beam weapons do exist, and are a whooole lotta fun
Of course, what the truthers propose is more than a little outlandish, something to that scale and power would be rediculously inefficient, if not impossible to produce with current technology. But still, as I said, existing one's can be a lot of fun! I'm thinking about building one of these to play with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolaser |
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8th February 2007, 12:43 PM | #16 |
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Hey Guys???
What's with all the questions. Judy Wood said of the beam weapon, "I don't think we even have to define it." So, can't you just stick to one topic for an entire sentence? Clearly, a beam or ray of energy or particles (or perhaps, paradoxically, both) turned the top of the world trade center into a giant snowball, and sucked the 'dustified' steel into the upper atmosphere. Clearly, as show in one still photograph. No debris fell that day. |
8th February 2007, 01:24 PM | #17 |
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OK, thanks...now I see, since it cant be proven they dont exist, they must exist for their purpose
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8th February 2007, 02:01 PM | #18 |
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I assume they exist, seeing as the USAF has a Directed Energy Directorate as part of the Air Force Research Laboratory.
http://www.de.afrl.af.mil |
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8th February 2007, 02:05 PM | #20 |
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Directed Energy weapons do exist. It's a verifiable fact. They can be found in any number of laboratories as small prototypes.
I want one of those new Navy railguns. |
8th February 2007, 02:07 PM | #21 |
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Directed energy weapons? Hell, they've been around since the late 1950s/early 1960s. Sheesh, have none of you ever seen a Godzilla movie?
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8th February 2007, 02:11 PM | #22 |
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No Beam Weapon could make the WTC collapse on 9/11.
Judy Wood is insane. You can tell by her interview she has not even run the numbers. Yes we have shot down missiles with a laser. The best we could do is burn a window made of the correct material with a laser lab in a plane. So is a window going to destry the WTC? But Judy Wood's ideas on the beam weapon prove her a nut. She can not even get momentum correct how can she get a beam weapon right; she will not even do the energy required to do her story. If you believe in beam weapons being used on 9/11 to bring down the WTC, you have may have mental problems. See a doctor now. |
8th February 2007, 02:17 PM | #23 |
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But... she had that diagram... billiard balls... Keebler Elves... trees... towers fell... trees don't fall... billiard balls... diagram... Keebler tree... but... but...
She seems so rational before you hear her talk, read her writing, or know anything about her or any of her theories, beliefs, or role in the Truth Movement! |
8th February 2007, 03:02 PM | #24 |
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the latest No significant debris pile means bldgs brought down by dew, plus all the cylindrical holes in the debris
are these people serious? how do I respond to something like that |
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8th February 2007, 03:37 PM | #28 |
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I thought that this was going to be about those people who think that some nebulous conspirators are causing them physical pain/sickness or beaming thoughts into thier heads, etc with directed microwave ray beams.
Though this isn't any less crazy, by any measure. The US has several types of Directed energy weapons, mostly in development. Just recently, a nonleathal microwave weapon for mounting on humvees, etc was declared ready. Lockeed-Martin has opened a factory for producing solid-state lasers for testing. None of them output more than the single digit megawatts, which is of course quite a bit, but certainly not the building smashing GDI ion cannon ray gun that these loons seem to be imagining. They could certainly ruin a missile or mortar shell's day though. |
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8th February 2007, 03:47 PM | #29 |
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Raytheon Company in the US recently made public a new 'heat' weapon for use in the 'battlefield' (any kind of enforcement), called the 'Silent Guardian', it directs an 'energy beam' (hahaha love that loose term usage) in the form of heat.
For the people over the hill getting zapped by it, its like being exposed to an oven. http://www.raytheon.com/products/silent_guardian/ Edit: I think lynx was referring to this |
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IIRC, R.Mackey did some calculations and came up with figures for the amount of energy that would be needed to power such a weapon. This exceeded the power available from various sources (he listed them) by a factor of a million or so.
R. Mackey is my hero. I wonder if he could hook me up with Lisa Nowak. ETA: For Christ's sake, I'm kidding about the Nowak thing. |
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8th February 2007, 06:22 PM | #32 |
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This is the post:
The whole thread covers pretty much every aspect of the beam weapon hypothesis, it's quite an entertaining read (although it is 23 pages long). http://www.internationalskeptics.com...ad.php?t=66444 |
8th February 2007, 07:23 PM | #33 |
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8th February 2007, 07:25 PM | #34 |
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That response by Rmackey is such a melting of the dumbest theory. It rules.
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8th February 2007, 08:21 PM | #35 |
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maccy beat me to my "WTC Killing Beam Weapon of Doom" post. (Thanks for being on top of things!) What that derivation shows is that no matter what technology goes into the beam itself -- lasers, masers, neutral particle, Wave Motion Gun, whatever -- it is simply impossible to destroy the WTC Towers from orbit. Using the most generous estimates I could imagine, you need two satellites of minimum mass 40 tons each, assuming the beam weapon itself doesn't add any weight at all. This would require four Space Shuttle flights, and even then the satellites would be seen firing in broad daylight... and every major government in the world would be instantly alerted to high altitude explosives.
In other words, the Beam Weapon Hypothesis is absolutely impossible. I don't care what technology you think we're hiding, it simpy can't be done. There are real "directed energy weapons" being researched, but they are not designed to destroy buildings. Instead, they go after much softer targets, like rockets. The two most "real" energy weapons are the Boeing ABL, and its follow-on, the HELLADS. Obviously, neither of these can be scaled to Sept. 11th proportions. The ABL is roughly one one-thousandth the power used in my conservative Beam Weapon of Doom, and it won't fit in anything smaller than a 747 Cargo. The HELLADS performance goal of 1 kW per 5 kg of laser means that, if scaled up to the size we need, the laser itself would weigh almost 4,000 tons, or eight times the size of the International Space Station. |
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How else do you explain the spire completely disintegrating?
[IMG]http_://drjudywood.com_/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image42.jpg[/IMG] |
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How much time is between each picture? |
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