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20th July 2008, 10:08 AM | #1 |
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Why would the government attack itself (the Pentagon)?
Has any troofer come up with a logical explanation for this? Why was the Pentagon-where Rummy, Wolfowitz, Feith, and most of the other neocons and war-hawks resided-hit, while the U. S. Capitol-which, as of 2001, had a Democratic majority in the Senate due to Jim Jeffords' actions-was spared? Getting rid of that pesky legislative branch would make the White House, the Pentagon, the Justice Department, and the rest of the executive branch's job SO much easier, if they wanted a war with Iraq (which they did). Hell, they could even declare martial law at that point! But on 9/11/01, the Reichstag remained intact while the House of War burned.
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20th July 2008, 10:28 AM | #2 |
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That's what Flight 93 was for. Unfortunately, Cheneybot glitched and ordered that it be shot down instead. Some poor programmer got waterboarded over that one, I assure you. Seriously, though... I think the truthers just don't care. They don't want to answer questions; they just want to ask them. Let others do the hard work. |
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Obviously, the government attacked itself on 9/11 so only the most perceptive and aware people with the biggest and most unwashed brains would question what they really did. All the "sheeple" would just assume that they wouldn't go after their own building in a staged attack. You're falling right into the trap they've set for you by analyzing everything with your relentless logic!
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21st July 2008, 12:13 AM | #4 |
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Maybe cause Rummy thought that the best place for a War Department is a warzone? Wanted to smell that burning nap... er, jet fu... er, cordite in the morning. Or maybe the civilian leadership really simply detested those military types? Whatever, it all makes PERFECT sense.
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21st July 2008, 03:53 AM | #5 |
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Didn't some of the loons claim it was to help cover up the 'missing' $2.3 trillion as some DoD accounting function was in the part of the Pentagon hit? Nothing like using one loony theory to 'prove' another one.
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Well, it was only because Rumsfeld slipped up, and disclosed the missing $2.3 trillion. If he'd only kept his mouth shut about it, Rove wouldn't have been forced to use 9/11 to divert attention away from it. After all, they still haven't looked at his bank account, or mine.
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As far as I understand, if the idea was to hit something that Americans hold dear, the 9/11 target selection just sucked. If you're flying to DC and New York, hit Capitol, White House, Statue of Liberty, and maybe the Chrysler or Empire State Building if you have to hit a skyscraper. But Pentagon and the Twin Towers? Naah. They're a symbol of American military and economic power for an outsider, but I don't think these buildings are/were especially loved in the US.
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I think that's a good point to raise, Allen. There are plenty of targets to hit that would absolutely enrage the population; imagine, for example, if the Washington or Lincoln monuments were hit. Or, wait a little longer and hit FedEx Field during a 'Skins game. Jesus Christ and shades of Black Sunday, could you imagine the casualties that would happen from ramming a jet into a football crowd? Not to mention the imagery the supposedly Machivellian US government planners could get out of it?
The whole problem is that the real narrative tracks quite well and logically for someone like Bin Laden to have been behind 9/11, someone who harbored an intense dislike for the US for some time, a dislike that was excacerbated by the US actions that got him expelled from the Sudan (an expelling that also cost him a considerable amount of his money, according to Lawrence Wright in "The Looming Tower"). Hit the targets that caused him the most pain, as well as the ones he imagines would cause the US the most pain (the WTC as a symbol of US capitalism and therefore to him, selfishness; the Pentagon as the "home", in a sense, of the military that caused him grief with the cruise missile hits in Afghanistan). But the conspiratorial narrative doesn't track well at all. Hit the Pentagon, the one place they'd really need in order to conduct the war they supposedly are using 9/11 to pave the way for to begin with? Forget all the stupidity about hitting the side that had been undergoing a remodeling (implying that there few or no people there - an utter falsity, as the casualties prove), hitting that side did indeed have the potential to affect overseas operations. For those who read "Firefight: Inside the Battle to Save the Pentagon on 9/11", just recall the choice that was presented by the Fire Dept. to the General (I forgot who) in charge of the NMCC (as I recall; anyone who remembers the details can either confirm or correct me): Do you want to save your sattelite communications, or your video feeds? Which one do we choose if we can't save both? The point is that the attack did indeed have the potential to really screw up operations. If the planners were really the US government, why would they do that to themselves? It may not be impossible for supposed inside planners to set up the Pentagon as a target, but it just strains possibilities to assert that. Occams Razor applies once again. |
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This one has been promoted by our No 1 architect - and no-planer -Heiwa. Apparently most of the victims in the Pentagon were accountants who knew about these missing money and were about to blow the lid. Therefore the NWO decided to fake and plane and kill them all.
Why on earth they just didn't bribe them, as they've must have done with everybody else who where "in on it" remain unanswered. There was some loose suggestion that these accountants were impossible to bribe because they where accountants.Never got an answer with what proof one can claim that accountants by default come with an impeccable morale fiber. |
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I shudder to think about the state of ferries used in Europe; I honestly think I'll avoid that method of transport if I ever visit there, simply and solely because of what I've read from Heiwa.
Anyway, regarding Pentagon employees: If bribes don't work, can there be any less accurate, more non-specific way to kill them? If, as the conspiratorial Oh, sorry, am I ranting? Beg your pardon then... but seriously, just how ridiculous are these assertions? A person really has to filter reality out to make these fantasies make any sort of sense. Occam's Razor is going dull from all the cutting it's having to do, and I'm just as surprised as the next guy that some people still choose to believe the rejected cuttings over what's left. |
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I would think that, with respect to an inside job, the hit on the Pentagon, which would be assumed, for the purpose of this posting , is a part an actual inside job, would be a diversionary action to muddy the waters. You're right. WHY would an inside job conspiracy (IJC) target the Pentagon, the "assumed" center of military command and control? There is no compelling reason for the IJC to do such a thing for any expected functional gain with the exception of being a "red herring". After all, if crashing aircraft into the WTC towers could be done as part of the inside job, then having one crash into the Pentagon should be comparatively easy. No need for a fly-over (and accompanying pyrotechnics and ensuing need to spread debris). No need for a missile. No need for an A-3 or Global Hawk. No need to fake witnesses. Heh, everything that was observed was as it seemed (the sole exception would be the supposedly hijacked aircraft and witnesses to the crash won't be able to detect any differences). The expectation of the IJC would be that there would be sufficient anamolies, maybe a few discreet suggestions by deep cover agents (and even that might be judged too risky after all, why leave ANY kind of trail?), to make all the conspiracy theorists go nuts over. [Going off on a tangent here.] The same thing for the fortuitous collapse of 7 WTC. What a heaven-sent opportunity to get a bunch of CTers to go off on the subject of the collapse and the IJC didn't have to do anything to bring it about. Sift through the wreckage. Call for innumerable investigations of this or that. Even better, CONDUCT innumerable investigations of this or that -- what a waste of resources, interest, and credibility. Dig into the background of FDNY, Larry Silverstein, and various other (innocent) Federal agencies, all they want. Can't find what wasn't there to begin with. Give everyone who is so inclined a lot of different targets to shoot at and you'll be sure to divert some fair percentage onto targets that have no objective way of proving the existence of the IJC and might collaterally make everyone else look foolish. |
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I would say the shock and awe campaign that unfolded on 9/11 was quite convincing and served its purpose perfectly, and with the least loss of life as would have been possible considering what was hit. I cant imagine how it could possibly have been any more effective. Thank god those mean terrorists didnt try and fly a plane into any reactors, no matter the outcome of that, it would have certainly been attention getting. |
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Why do the first responders all say that the plane hit the building?
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Why does Dylan Avery say that flight 77 hit the Pentagon?
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LOL! Laura Knight-Jadczyk? Did she get the answers from her Ouija board?
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How so? The survivors all say they saw airplane parts (some with the AA logo intact), none say it was a missile, or a bomb, or a military airplane. If Laura Knight-Jadczyk is correct, they're lying and covering up for the people who tried to kill them.
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Why does TheLoneBedouin say the Flight 77 did NOT hit the Pentagon?
Oh, yeah, That's a non sequitur as well. |
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Holy crap! Have you seen her blog? It's something of a joke that cultists sit around waiting for the comet of doom, yet she seems to think that everything bad that happened in the past was caused by a comet... real-life truthers imitating a joke. I'm surprised she doesn't think a comet hit the WTC and the Pentagon.
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Why would the ONI's command center and database be co-located, anyway?
I dunno about other command centers, but the corporate "op centers" I've worked in have all taken the form of a pretty mundane communication nexus: Some phone lines, some data lines, some desktop computers, a couple big projection screens... nothing mission-critical is kept in such an ops center. Just a bunch of guys keeping an eye on things, logging on to computers, making phone calls, coordinating operations. All the really important stuff is out in the datacenter, located somewhere else entirely. Like I said, I don't know what-all goes on at a naval command center, but I'd be surprised if the most exciting thing wasn't the data line going to a mainframe half a mile away. |
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Getting my topic back on track...
The Pentagon and the CIA have been adversaries on many occasions. After 9/11, the Pentagon was resentful that Bush gave the CIA the initial lead in the War on Terror, and it wasn't until the CIA and Special Forces failed to capture bin Laden in Afghanistan in December 2001 that Bush and Cheney prioritized Rumsfeld's agenda over Tenet's. Furthermore, anyone who wanted to invade Iraq depended on the CIA's analysis. So, why didn't the neocons and the NWO attack Langley instead of Arlington? Combine destroying CIA headquarters with destroying the Capitol (both would be great Washington targets, and in fact were two of Al-Qaeda's top targets for years), and you would give the Pentagon unprecedented power to invade Iraq and do whatever else they wanted to do. Yet, on 9/11, the Pentagon was hit. Not CIA or the Capitol, but the Pentagon. This is just more evidence against 9/11 being an inside job. |
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Because they didnt want to be arsed with rebuilding the Capitol.
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