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16th September 2007, 04:11 PM | #121 |
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16th September 2007, 04:27 PM | #122 |
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Dude. Can you show me where these goals are in the PNAC?
Show me in the PNAC, for example, where it specifically mentions 'Saddam disposed'. Have you read the PNAC? |
16th September 2007, 04:46 PM | #123 |
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DOOD! So your position boils down to semantics then?
I've read enough........ How about this letter from some of the PNAC group to Clinton?
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16th September 2007, 04:51 PM | #124 |
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16th September 2007, 04:53 PM | #125 |
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16th September 2007, 04:58 PM | #126 |
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HeriticHulk, there's a HUGE thread about the PNAC in this section of the forum. Perhaps it would be 'propitious' if you searched for it and read it...
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16th September 2007, 05:12 PM | #127 |
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16th September 2007, 05:16 PM | #128 |
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16th September 2007, 05:20 PM | #129 |
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Are we done talking DEWs for now? [/derail] |
16th September 2007, 05:28 PM | #130 |
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16th September 2007, 05:33 PM | #131 |
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16th September 2007, 05:35 PM | #132 |
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16th September 2007, 06:10 PM | #133 |
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16th September 2007, 06:16 PM | #134 |
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There's another issue than just the power source needed that's nearly as insurmountable.
Any machine or device will lose some of the energy that's put into it in the form of waste heat. Getting rid of that waste heat is the reason why cars have radiators and home computers have fans and heat sinks. If we are really, really generous and assume that our mythical WTC Killing Beam Weapon of Doom™ loses only 1% of the energy that's fed into it to waste heat, then this device that has the power of 30 million Boeing Laser Trucks is basically blasting itself with the strength of three hundred thousand laser trucks every time you pull the trigger. Mackey described a possible beam weapon with an explosive power source and listed some of the problems that would cause. This beam cannon would likely explode when fired anyway regardless of it's power source. |
16th September 2007, 06:22 PM | #135 |
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Well, I was trying to be nice, and only give him one insurmountable problem to work on. The fact that there are several big-time problems with this stupid idea really moves it from improbable to totally impossible. Of course, he'll just ignore this inconvenient fact, and try to change the subject yet again to PNAC, "faster-than-freefall" or some other equally stupid thing, in hopes that we forgot what the thread was about!
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16th September 2007, 06:25 PM | #136 |
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16th September 2007, 06:34 PM | #137 |
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Now, that's a new tactic never used before by troofers.
"OMG TEH WTC WAS BLOWN UP WITH TERMITES!" "No it wasn't." *shows proof* "BUT WHAT ABOUT WTC7?!!!1! SILVERSTEIN AND TEH FDNY PULLED IT!!3!" "The FDNY 'pulled it' the firefighting/rescue operation." "AND A MISSLE HIT TEH PENTAGON!!&!" "There's plane debris all over the Pentagon lawn." "BUT WHAT ABOUT UA93??% IT WAZ SHOT DOWN!!LOLOL!MAM DO YOU BELIEVE ME LOLOLOL%%!!1!8?" "It crashed after the passengers tried to take back control." "STILL DOESN'T ASPLAIN WHY TEH WTC WAS BLOWN UP WITH TERMITES OMFG!!1!4PWN!!$" |
16th September 2007, 09:42 PM | #138 |
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Max Photon says: DEWds! Wake up!
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DEWds, When JREF NISTians DEW in the Woods, do they make a sound? Yes indeed, and boy it sounds like they're straining! Did it ever occur to you that DEWs represent a cover? Maaaaaxxx [again, in that annoying, whinny tone], we're lost again. Please hand-carry some sparks across our inert little synapses. Very well. Woodie and Reynolds Wrap put forth a really stupid model. Then really stupid people stand around - like you guys - and talk about how really stupid the really stupid model is. With all that really stupid noise in this Den of Dim, any mention of lasers sounds - well - really stupid. That's the cover. Indeed, lasers - directed energy weapons - were used on 9/11 to ignite thermite-dusted shock-tube (which in turn linked and ignited planted thermite in the towers to - Class? - that's right - heat-weaken the towers to initiate collapse. The lasers were aimed from WTC7. The lasers were fired at peak emotional moments, such as the impact of 175 into WTC2, and the collapse of WTC2. You can see the flashes on the NE edges of both towers, heavily concentrated at impact floors. 2nd hit - north face cropped http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2oUD1XWmB8 So do you see all the noise covers? - Jones' THERMITE=CUTTING is cloaking THERMITE=HEAT-WEAKENING - DEWs are cloaking the fact that lasers were used to initiate thermite-dusted shock-tube. - The NO PLANE - NO BRAIN crowd are cloaking the phreato-thermatic explosions. (So is the molten aluminum argument.) - C4 is being used to draw arguments to the core, to cloak the heat-weakening of the perimeter columns using synthetic fires. There are more, but you get the point. (Well, probably not.) Laser Photon --- |
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17th September 2007, 04:38 AM | #140 |
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More third-grade stuff. How mature!
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17th September 2007, 07:56 AM | #141 |
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Please state your source for that number of Iraqis killed. The best estimates I have seen state no more than 100,000, not one million. I'll have to see if I can locate my sources to provide for you in return.
Ahhh, I see now; you're of the mjd school of thought. Either that, or you are him (since I believe he's been suspended). He's been thoroughly debunked in several threads; try looking them up and enlighten yourself regarding PNAC, thank you. And as for ae911 truth, they do not check the credentials of the people who join their page; as an experiment, several people here joined the page offering fake credentials and (in some cases) ludicrous names that, had there been the slightest amount of fact checking, would have shouted loud and clear to the ae911 people that there were numerous fakes in their list. None of this was done. I believe many of those people are still listed on the page. In addition, virtually none of the people on that page have any better than bachelor's degrees and therefore do not have the necessary credentials to challenge the experts (the ones with Ph.D.s and decades worth of experience), or, as in many cases, they aren't even members of the structural engineering crowd; there are a bunch of math people, a few architects, and others who have different specialties than the ones required to actually make the questions they ask legitimate. Hope that answers your question. |
17th September 2007, 08:04 AM | #142 |
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And what Japanese actions was it that caused the U.S. to adopt the policies it did? The brutal invasion and occupation of China. For an example of the level of brutality the Japanese military forces used, I refer you to the infamous event commonly called The Rape of Nanking.
Also, Japan's original war plans called for the attack to start in the Philippines, to draw the U.S. Pacific Fleet into a climactic battle in Japanese waters. Interestingly enough, that was what the original U.S. war plans were expecting. It was only at Admiral Yamamoto's insistence that the Japanese war plans were changed to incorporate a risky and daring first strike at Pearl Harbor. We asked for evidence and you give us book ads. Can you actually point to something easily available to support your thesis? Could you at least post excerpts from your book sources which support your thesis? |
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17th September 2007, 08:27 AM | #143 |
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Ah, I see it now. If one declares that 911 was too conveeeeeeenient not to have been staged, it is not necessary to actually provide any proof it was staged; how could it NOT have been?
A sure-fire debate dominating technique! |
17th September 2007, 08:31 AM | #144 |
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17th September 2007, 10:21 AM | #145 |
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Can anyone tell me what form/frequency of energy is suposed to be used in the DEW?
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17th September 2007, 10:23 AM | #146 |
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Directed Energy Weapons: Now operational
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Lecture sponsored by PNAC and The Heritage Foundation
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Active Denial System
(From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) The Active Denial System (ADS) is a non-lethal, directed-energy weapon developed by the U.S. military. It is a strong millimeter-wave transmitter used for crowd control (the "goodbye effect". Informally, the weapon is also called pain ray. Raytheon is currently marketing a reduced range version of this technology. The ADS is currently being considered for deployment in the Iraq War. ADS has also been present at various public events in the United States. It is unclear if the government has sought any authorization to deploy the weapon at home or did so without public input.
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Small-scale "sub-lethal" applications of DEW
Details of US microwave-weapon tests revealed
22 July 2005 From New Scientist Print Edition.
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21st July 2008, 08:43 PM | #151 |
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I'm wondering if a point is anywhere in our near future.
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21st July 2008, 09:52 PM | #152 |
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To SaiGirl, welcome.
I must remind you to read your Membership Agreement. Posting articles, sourced or not, without comment is called "spamming" and will earn you a short tenure here. Also, some of us actually work with the systems you evidently just found out about, and others have been aware of them for some time. They cannot possibly do what you evidently think they did. If anything, they prove the utter infeasibility of any space-beam WTC destruction idea. They're four orders of magnitude or more too weak. Four orders of magnitude. This is like saying just because there are cars that go 100 MPH, it's possible for Them to drive around the Earth in only 90 seconds. |
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Wasn't there a little thread about this topic not too long ago?
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