Is Putin a Tsar in Everything but Name

Dcdrac · 4th May 2012, 06:09 AM

he even has a palace it seems

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17730959

Mycroft · 4th May 2012, 11:42 AM

Awesome! I want to live there!

theprestige · 4th May 2012, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dcdrac

he even has a palace it seems

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17730959

Is it the palace that makes the tsar?

I guess the real question is, what was the traditional extent of a tsar's authority, and is the extent of Putin's authority analagous?

It seems to me that, compared to a real tsar, Putin's ability to wield power openly is somewhat constrained. He has to go through the motions of elections, etc., whereas a real tsar wouldn't, for example.

commandlinegamer · 4th May 2012, 02:08 PM

That's a dacha and a half. But maybe it's for the people.

Halfcentaur · 4th May 2012, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by commandlinegamer

That's a dacha and a half. But maybe it's for the people.

It's a national time share. 1 family picked from the country get's an hour.

Beerina · 4th May 2012, 10:58 PM

Shut up people! Now he won't be able to go there.

Carnivore · 5th May 2012, 02:58 AM

I love how all the private security guards inside were having a fun game of dress up as uniformed Kremlin guard service members, including official ID that they bought "in a shop."

There is absloutely no connection to the Russian government at all, no siree.

The allegation that it was funded by embezzing charitable donations earmarked for upgrading Russian hospitals is a corker.

Is there a word for someone who is not quite a dictator? A kind of Tyrant Lite? If not we should adopt "Putin" as that word, as in: "Berlusconi tried to use his vast media influence to Putinise Italy."

Mycroft · 5th May 2012, 10:11 AM

I suggest we change the title of this thread to "Putin on the Ritz"?

Second? Anyone?

TubbaBlubba · 5th May 2012, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Mycroft

I suggest we change the title of this thread to "Putin on the Ritz"?

Second? Anyone?

Seconded.

Virus · 6th May 2012, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Is Putin a Tsar in Everything but Name

Yeah. Russia gonna be Russia.

Darat · 6th May 2012, 03:29 AM

As long as he keeps the commercial oligarchy sweet they are happy for him to be as much as a Tsar as he wants to be. Which was pretty much ever the case for a Russian tsar.

ieathedead · 6th May 2012, 03:55 AM

Originally Posted by Mycroft

I suggest we change the title of this thread to "Putin on the Ritz"?

Second? Anyone?

I don't think that's something you should go russian into but if that's what you want to do, soviet it then.

Policenaut · 6th May 2012, 12:38 PM

Russia sounds more like Umbrella Corp. every day. I'm not saying they are creating the T-Virus (yes I am) but Putin=Wesker.

TubbaBlubba · 7th May 2012, 01:07 PM

Have you seen the well-to-do
Upon Moscow avenue
Vote fraud and giant banners
Paid mob and tsaresque manners
Paying every bill
With some government shill!

If you run
and you're not one
to play fairly
why don't you run
where Tsar-man sits
Putin on the Ritz!

Various crooks on government roll
Fixing books skewing another poll
Bear-skin mitts
Putin on the Ritz

Caught up in some shady cartel antics
fishing proudly showing off my man-tits
Some romantics!

Manly tsar, the people's choice
Lux'ry car with mobster boys
We're in the midst
Putin on the Ritz!

Polaris · 7th May 2012, 02:19 PM

No. First he needs to grow a spectacular mustache.

Toontown · 7th May 2012, 08:54 PM

It is rumored that our boy has rashly stolen the equivalent of 80 billion dollars. Which might explain the huge mansion, the safaris, PR campaigns, and whatnot.

But all those poor Russians, they admire that in a man. They fantasize about doing the same if they were in Putin's shoes.

How long can Russia hold together? Every day the bucket goes to the well. One day the bottom will drop out.

But I suppose they're accustomed to that. Just another day in paradise to them.

geni · 7th May 2012, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

As long as he keeps the commercial oligarchy sweet they are happy for him to be as much as a Tsar as he wants to be. Which was pretty much ever the case for a Russian tsar.

Not remotely. The commercial oligarchy is to a large extent terrified of him. Which was one of the reasons why he was so popular.

geni · 7th May 2012, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Toontown

It is rumored that our boy has rashly stolen the equivalent of 80 billion dollars. Which might explain the huge mansion, the safaris, PR campaigns, and whatnot.

Its a common claim of all dictorial leaders. So far the only case that seemed to have some relationship with reality was Gaddafi. Sure its possible that he has as much as a few hundred million stashed away but billions? that kind of money is better spent on staying in power.

Quote:

But all those poor Russians, they admire that in a man. They fantasize about doing the same if they were in Putin's shoes.

Recent election results say otherwise.

Quote:

How long can Russia hold together? Every day the bucket goes to the well. One day the bottom will drop out.

Well they've got oil and as a result fairly steady economic growth so on that basis quite a while.

4th May 2012, 06:09 AM	#1
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4th May 2012, 11:42 AM	#2
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theprestige Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,567	Originally Posted by Dcdrac he even has a palace it seems http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17730959 Is it the palace that makes the tsar? I guess the real question is, what was the traditional extent of a tsar's authority, and is the extent of Putin's authority analagous? It seems to me that, compared to a real tsar, Putin's ability to wield power openly is somewhat constrained. He has to go through the motions of elections, etc., whereas a real tsar wouldn't, for example.
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Halfcentaur Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 5,935	Originally Posted by commandlinegamer That's a dacha and a half. But maybe it's for the people. It's a national time share. 1 family picked from the country get's an hour.
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Mycroft High Priest of Ed Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 16,103	I suggest we change the title of this thread to "Putin on the Ritz"? Second? Anyone?
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TubbaBlubba Knave of the Dudes Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Communist Kingdom of Sweden Posts: 7,394	Originally Posted by Mycroft I suggest we change the title of this thread to "Putin on the Ritz"? Second? Anyone? Seconded.
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Darat Lackey Administrator / JREF Forum Liaison Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 64,731	As long as he keeps the commercial oligarchy sweet they are happy for him to be as much as a Tsar as he wants to be. Which was pretty much ever the case for a Russian tsar.
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6th May 2012, 03:55 AM	#12
ieathedead Student Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 28	Originally Posted by Mycroft I suggest we change the title of this thread to "Putin on the Ritz"? Second? Anyone? I don't think that's something you should go russian into but if that's what you want to do, soviet it then.
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Policenaut Infidel Defiler Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Shadow Moses Island Posts: 2,193	Russia sounds more like Umbrella Corp. every day. I'm not saying they are creating the T-Virus (yes I am) but Putin=Wesker.

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TubbaBlubba Knave of the Dudes Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Communist Kingdom of Sweden Posts: 7,394	Have you seen the well-to-do Upon Moscow avenue Vote fraud and giant banners Paid mob and tsaresque manners Paying every bill With some government shill! If you run and you're not one to play fairly why don't you run where Tsar-man sits Putin on the Ritz! Various crooks on government roll Fixing books skewing another poll Bear-skin mitts Putin on the Ritz Caught up in some shady cartel antics fishing proudly showing off my man-tits Some romantics! Manly tsar, the people's choice Lux'ry car with mobster boys We're in the midst Putin on the Ritz!
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Toontown Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,555	It is rumored that our boy has rashly stolen the equivalent of 80 billion dollars. Which might explain the huge mansion, the safaris, PR campaigns, and whatnot. But all those poor Russians, they admire that in a man. They fantasize about doing the same if they were in Putin's shoes. How long can Russia hold together? Every day the bucket goes to the well. One day the bottom will drop out. But I suppose they're accustomed to that. Just another day in paradise to them.
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7th May 2012, 08:57 PM	#17
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,552	Originally Posted by Darat As long as he keeps the commercial oligarchy sweet they are happy for him to be as much as a Tsar as he wants to be. Which was pretty much ever the case for a Russian tsar. Not remotely. The commercial oligarchy is to a large extent terrified of him. Which was one of the reasons why he was so popular.

7th May 2012, 09:01 PM	#18
geni Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: UK Posts: 26,552	Originally Posted by Toontown It is rumored that our boy has rashly stolen the equivalent of 80 billion dollars. Which might explain the huge mansion, the safaris, PR campaigns, and whatnot. Its a common claim of all dictorial leaders. So far the only case that seemed to have some relationship with reality was Gaddafi. Sure its possible that he has as much as a few hundred million stashed away but billions? that kind of money is better spent on staying in power. Quote: But all those poor Russians, they admire that in a man. They fantasize about doing the same if they were in Putin's shoes. Recent election results say otherwise. Quote: How long can Russia hold together? Every day the bucket goes to the well. One day the bottom will drop out. Well they've got oil and as a result fairly steady economic growth so on that basis quite a while.