...the HEART of the EARTH. - Page 15

halleyscomet · 21st May 2013, 12:11 PM

Back on topic, this thread has sparked a separate discussion on a Catholic site:

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=777025

RebeccaJ has this to say:

Quote:

It originates with the diary of Benjamin Johnson:

Sometimes when at my house I asked him [Joseph Smith] questions relating to past, present and future; some of his answers were taken by Brother William Clayton, who was then present with him, and are now recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants; the one as to what the Lord told him in relation to seeing his face at 85 years of age; also the one as to the earth becoming as a sea of glass, molten with fire. [D&C 130: 9, 14-17] Other questions were asked when Brother Clayton was not present, one of which I will relate: I asked where the nine and a half tribes of Israel were. "Well," said he, "you remember the old caldron or potash kettle you used to boil maple sap in for sugar, don't you?" I said yes. "Well," said he, "they are in the north pole in a concave just the shape of that kettle. And John the Revelator is with them, preparing them for their return."

And there is this, from Joseph Fielding Smith (1952)

"You know, a lot of people have an idea that these tribes that are lost are not lost at all, they are just coming in among us all the time. They are not coming in among us all the time. We are gathering scattered Israel, but those tribes have not come yet. They will come when the Lord gets ready. You know, they are building a highway up here through Canada to Alaska. I do not know just what they are doing it for--presumably to fight the Japanese. This is only a thought; don't go away and say I state it as a fact--I have just wondered if they are not building that road to fulfill the promise the Lord made, as a highway for those lost people to eventually use when they come to the children of Ephraim? The Lord does a lot of wonderful things in a mysterious way" (The Signs of the Times, Deseret News Press, 44-45).

But I didn't stop researching there!

Supposedly:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDSgroups/message/1086

Quote:

I dont remember B of M references to hollow earth. But Joseph 3 of RLDS published a series of articles in the Saints Herald on that subject Around 1870-80 I think. I think some thought that the lost tribes might be in the hollow earth.

Sadly this online version of the Saints Herald I found is dated 1869, before the articles were supposedly written. Searching for the word "hollow" yielded no relevant results.
http://archive.org/details/saintsheraldvol01unkngoog

This thread reveals that there are at least some Mormons who take the Hollow Earth idea seriously:
http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2806

Still, the only "evidence" given is theological speculation.

This site is the most comprehensive resource I've found so far. There's still no hard evidence given, but this fellow has collected a number of alleged eyewitness accounts, and has some of the more complete theological and philosophical arguments in favor of the idea:
http://www.ourhollowearth.com/ourhollo/index.html

Ultimately, there is no evidence that the Earth is hollow aside from theological speculation and unsubstantiated claims. There is, literally, more evidence for the existence of Cthulhu than for a Hollow Earth.

halleyscomet · 21st May 2013, 12:23 PM

Wait a second...

http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-cont.../hammpix-1.jpg

Stomatopoda · 21st May 2013, 04:37 PM

Brilliant.

tsig · 21st May 2013, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

Wait a second...

http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-cont.../hammpix-1.jpg
http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-cont.../hammpix-1.jpg

You've got this wrong, Ayers Rock is his knuckles.

halleyscomet · 31st May 2013, 01:53 PM

It's settled. the Earth is NOT hollow. Here is the proof:

desertgal · 31st May 2013, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

It's settled. the Earth is NOT hollow. Here is the proof:
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...41775094_n.jpg

Ooooh...I bet the yellow is lemon cake. I like lemon cake.

Elizabeth I · 31st May 2013, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by halleyscomet

It's settled. the Earth is NOT hollow. Here is the proof:

...AND it's delicious!

Janadele · 11th June 2013, 10:56 AM

MSN had a video about the hollow earth on its front page yesterday (Monday, Jun 10).

http://news.msn.com/science-technolo...998b4b#tscptme

Mister Earl · 11th June 2013, 11:07 AM

Janadele, I just want to make a quick point.

Reality isn't something that is subjective. Either something is, or it is not. And it will be or not be completely regardless of how stronglty you feel about it or how many others agree with you. The universe does not confirm to our whims.

We have more than enough evidence to know that the Earth isn't hollow. In one example, we can measure the actual seismic waves that pass through the Earth during Earthquakes. We can record these with such resolution that we can see the waves actually reflect from the other side of the world. We can even (roughly) image the interior via these waves. This is how we know the Earth to be contiguous and solid.

There's a slew of corraborating evidence as well. Mass calculations show that there cannot be a hollow interior. Physics themselves don't permit our Earth to have a hollow interior with its composition.

I hate to be cruel, Janadele, but it's time you grew up a little. The world isn't always what we want it to be, and sometimes it's fun to pretend, but there's a point where you have to lay such childish foolishness aside. The world simply doesn't work in the way that you would prefer.

Besides, it's not so bad. Our world, and even the universe, is far too exotic, too interesting, too mysterious without having to put on the ol' horse blinders and hide from it.

Nay_Sayer · 11th June 2013, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Janadele

MSN had a video about the hollow earth on its front page yesterday (Monday, Jun 10).

http://news.msn.com/science-technolo...998b4b#tscptme

MSN the pinnacle of science.

Mind you they also report a slew of other things too, UFO's, Cryptoids, etc

jsfisher · 11th June 2013, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Janadele

MSN had a video about the hollow earth on its front page yesterday (Monday, Jun 10).

http://news.msn.com/science-technolo...998b4b#tscptme

You might want to actually watch the video at that link you provided. Even you might get an idea of just how crazy it is.

MikeG · 11th June 2013, 11:37 AM

Oh no. Tell me this isn't so, please. Some threads should just die........

bruto · 11th June 2013, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by MikeG

Oh no. Tell me this isn't so, please. Some threads should just die........

This one just pops out of sight periodically and comes up through a different hole.

Kopji · 11th June 2013, 11:31 PM

Not a Poe thingy, this goes way back to at least the 1970's maybe earlier. I think the attraction for Mormonism is that the religion is at its core 1800's Utopianism. If there were a perfect city somewhere waiting to emerge (why not hiding inside the earth?) it would validate a lot of beliefs.

Someone at our church invited someone to speak on this subject. It was one of those unfortunate times where instead of sitting respectfully I laughed and blurted out something like "you mean you think the earth is hollow and there is a civilization inside"?

sigh

Rincewind · 11th June 2013, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

This one just pops out of sight periodically and comes up through a different hole.

Does that mean that something must be hollow then?

halleyscomet · 12th June 2013, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by Janadele

MSN had a video about the hollow earth on its front page yesterday (Monday, Jun 10).

http://news.msn.com/science-technolo...998b4b#tscptme

That was an amusing summary of the fantasy tale.

Craig4 · 12th June 2013, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Janadele

MSN had a video about the hollow earth on its front page yesterday (Monday, Jun 10).

http://news.msn.com/science-technolo...998b4b#tscptme

So what? The Earth still isn't hollow and your ideas are still incorrect.

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halleyscomet Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 434	Back on topic, this thread has sparked a separate discussion on a Catholic site: http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=777025 RebeccaJ has this to say: Quote: It originates with the diary of Benjamin Johnson: Sometimes when at my house I asked him [Joseph Smith] questions relating to past, present and future; some of his answers were taken by Brother William Clayton, who was then present with him, and are now recorded in the Doctrine and Covenants; the one as to what the Lord told him in relation to seeing his face at 85 years of age; also the one as to the earth becoming as a sea of glass, molten with fire. [D&C 130: 9, 14-17] Other questions were asked when Brother Clayton was not present, one of which I will relate: I asked where the nine and a half tribes of Israel were. "Well," said he, "you remember the old caldron or potash kettle you used to boil maple sap in for sugar, don't you?" I said yes. "Well," said he, "they are in the north pole in a concave just the shape of that kettle. And John the Revelator is with them, preparing them for their return." And there is this, from Joseph Fielding Smith (1952) "You know, a lot of people have an idea that these tribes that are lost are not lost at all, they are just coming in among us all the time. They are not coming in among us all the time. We are gathering scattered Israel, but those tribes have not come yet. They will come when the Lord gets ready. You know, they are building a highway up here through Canada to Alaska. I do not know just what they are doing it for--presumably to fight the Japanese. This is only a thought; don't go away and say I state it as a fact--I have just wondered if they are not building that road to fulfill the promise the Lord made, as a highway for those lost people to eventually use when they come to the children of Ephraim? The Lord does a lot of wonderful things in a mysterious way" (The Signs of the Times, Deseret News Press, 44-45). But I didn't stop researching there! Supposedly: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDSgroups/message/1086 Quote: I dont remember B of M references to hollow earth. But Joseph 3 of RLDS published a series of articles in the Saints Herald on that subject Around 1870-80 I think. I think some thought that the lost tribes might be in the hollow earth. Sadly this online version of the Saints Herald I found is dated 1869, before the articles were supposedly written. Searching for the word "hollow" yielded no relevant results. http://archive.org/details/saintsheraldvol01unkngoog This thread reveals that there are at least some Mormons who take the Hollow Earth idea seriously: http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2806 Still, the only "evidence" given is theological speculation. This site is the most comprehensive resource I've found so far. There's still no hard evidence given, but this fellow has collected a number of alleged eyewitness accounts, and has some of the more complete theological and philosophical arguments in favor of the idea: http://www.ourhollowearth.com/ourhollo/index.html Ultimately, there is no evidence that the Earth is hollow aside from theological speculation and unsubstantiated claims. There is, literally, more evidence for the existence of Cthulhu than for a Hollow Earth.

21st May 2013, 12:23 PM	#562
halleyscomet Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 434	Wait a second... http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-cont.../hammpix-1.jpg

21st May 2013, 05:45 PM	#564
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 27,232	Originally Posted by halleyscomet Wait a second... http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-cont.../hammpix-1.jpg http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-cont.../hammpix-1.jpg You've got this wrong, Ayers Rock is his knuckles.

31st May 2013, 01:53 PM	#565
halleyscomet Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 434	It's settled. the Earth is NOT hollow. Here is the proof:

31st May 2013, 02:59 PM	#566
desertgal Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Virginia City Posts: 3,327	Originally Posted by halleyscomet It's settled. the Earth is NOT hollow. Here is the proof: http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...41775094_n.jpg Ooooh...I bet the yellow is lemon cake. I like lemon cake.

11th June 2013, 11:07 AM	#569
Mister Earl Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,252	Janadele, I just want to make a quick point. Reality isn't something that is subjective. Either something is, or it is not. And it will be or not be completely regardless of how stronglty you feel about it or how many others agree with you. The universe does not confirm to our whims. We have more than enough evidence to know that the Earth isn't hollow. In one example, we can measure the actual seismic waves that pass through the Earth during Earthquakes. We can record these with such resolution that we can see the waves actually reflect from the other side of the world. We can even (roughly) image the interior via these waves. This is how we know the Earth to be contiguous and solid. There's a slew of corraborating evidence as well. Mass calculations show that there cannot be a hollow interior. Physics themselves don't permit our Earth to have a hollow interior with its composition. I hate to be cruel, Janadele, but it's time you grew up a little. The world isn't always what we want it to be, and sometimes it's fun to pretend, but there's a point where you have to lay such childish foolishness aside. The world simply doesn't work in the way that you would prefer. Besides, it's not so bad. Our world, and even the universe, is far too exotic, too interesting, too mysterious without having to put on the ol' horse blinders and hide from it.

11th June 2013, 11:37 AM	#572
MikeG Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: UK Posts: 1,691	Oh no. Tell me this isn't so, please. Some threads should just die........

11th June 2013, 02:06 PM	#573
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 11,254	Originally Posted by MikeG Oh no. Tell me this isn't so, please. Some threads should just die........ This one just pops out of sight periodically and comes up through a different hole.
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11th June 2013, 11:31 PM	#574
Kopji Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Mogollon Rim Posts: 7,710	Not a Poe thingy, this goes way back to at least the 1970's maybe earlier. I think the attraction for Mormonism is that the religion is at its core 1800's Utopianism. If there were a perfect city somewhere waiting to emerge (why not hiding inside the earth?) it would validate a lot of beliefs. Someone at our church invited someone to speak on this subject. It was one of those unfortunate times where instead of sitting respectfully I laughed and blurted out something like "you mean you think the earth is hollow and there is a civilization inside"? sigh

11th June 2013, 11:51 PM	#575
Rincewind Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,182	Originally Posted by bruto This one just pops out of sight periodically and comes up through a different hole. Does that mean that something must be hollow then?

12th June 2013, 06:22 AM	#576
halleyscomet Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 434	Originally Posted by Janadele MSN had a video about the hollow earth on its front page yesterday (Monday, Jun 10). http://news.msn.com/science-technolo...998b4b#tscptme That was an amusing summary of the fantasy tale.

12th June 2013, 10:07 AM	#577
Craig4 Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 5,396	Originally Posted by Janadele MSN had a video about the hollow earth on its front page yesterday (Monday, Jun 10). http://news.msn.com/science-technolo...998b4b#tscptme So what? The Earth still isn't hollow and your ideas are still incorrect.
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