Discordianism

Bad Lieutenant · 25th May 2012, 11:32 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordian

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Discordianism is centered on the idea that both order and disorder are illusions imposed on the universe by the human nervous system, and that neither of these illusions of apparent order and disorder are any more accurate or objectively true than the other.

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Original Snub - Apple of Discord

The Original Snub is the Discordian name for the events preceding the Judgment of Paris, although more focus is put on the actions of Eris. Zeus believes that Eris is a troublemaker, so he does not invite her to Peleus and Thetis's wedding. This is “The Doctrine of the Original Snub”.[12]

Having been snubbed, Eris creates a golden apple with the word kallisti (Ancient Greek: καλλίστῃ, to the prettiest one) inscribed in it. This, the Apple of Discord, is a notable symbol in Discordianism for its inclusion in the Holy Chao. The apple is traditionally described as being made of gold,[13] but the Principia Discordia notes a debate over whether the “gold” described was “metallic gold or Acapulco.” The story also relates that the first thing Eris did after throwing the Apple of Discord into the wedding was to joyously partake of a hot dog (thus "a Discordian is to partake of No Hot Dog Buns").[12][14]

When the female wedding guests disagree about who the apple is meant for, Zeus decides to leave the decision to Paris of Troy. Aphrodite bribes Paris, leading to the Trojan War, which “is said to be The First War among men.”[12]

Excellent subversion of the original sin doctrine. Speaking of docter in:

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Beelzebuddy · 25th May 2012, 03:50 PM

It's not a bad religion if you need to get your relig on.

Bad Lieutenant · 26th May 2012, 02:53 AM

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The KLF's entire body of work is Discordian both in subject matter and in approach.

I remember when the KLF burnt £1 million. My mother bought one of their albums and I enjoyed listening to it as a kid. Then they burnt her money. If I met them I wouldn't know whether to buy them a drink or given them a slap.

cj.23 · 26th May 2012, 03:06 AM

I like to regard myself as guerilla ontology in action. Well my presence on Dawkins forum, RatSkep and here anyway.

Hail Eris!

(fnord)

cj x

Bad Lieutenant · 26th May 2012, 08:29 AM

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Robert Anton Wilson (born Robert Edward Wilson, January 18, 1932 – January 11, 2007), known to friends as "Bob", was an American author and polymath who became at various times a novelist, philosopher, psychologist, essayist, editor, playwright, poet, futurist, civil libertarian[1] and self-described agnostic mystic. Recognized as an episkopos, pope, and saint of Discordianism, Wilson helped publicize the group through his writings, interviews, and strolls.[clarification needed]

Wilson described his work as an "attempt to break down conditioned associations, to look at the world in a new way, with many models recognized as models or maps, and no one model elevated to the truth".[2] His goal being "to try to get people into a state of generalized agnosticism, not agnosticism about God alone but agnosticism about everything" (cf. solipsism, acatalepsia, Pyrrhonism).[3]

Seems to me that a lot of serious illuminati conspiracy theorists/attempted debunkers of said conspiracy theories somewhat missed the point. It's so damn tempting to have an opinion though

cj.23 · 26th May 2012, 08:44 AM

It's why I'm so fond of RAW. Still, nowt wrong in reaching tentative conclusions?

cj x

Bad Lieutenant · 26th May 2012, 02:48 PM

Tentative conclusions eh. Well said I guess! Even if one were a moderate discordian, one could still be an atheist most likely.

BTW, it looks like the KLF planned to burn that £1,000,000 even before they earnt it, judging by this track from their hit album:

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cj.23 · 26th May 2012, 03:39 PM

I think how we burnt a million quid is online. Somewhere I have their book on how to have a No 1 single. Yep, atheism, theism - so long as your conclusion is provisional on the evidence we have, you can be a sceptic. Scepticism to me is a methodology, nit a conclusion.

cj x

Tsukasa Buddha · 26th May 2012, 04:41 PM

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Greater Poop: Is Eris true?
Malaclypse the Younger: Everything is true.
GP: Even false things?
M2: Even false things are true.
GP: How can that be?
M2: I don't know man, I didn't do it.

Awesome!

Bad Lieutenant · 26th May 2012, 07:19 PM

I'm having a bonfire this afternoon.

angrysoba · 26th May 2012, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Bad Lieutenant

I remember when the KLF burnt £1 million. My mother bought one of their albums and I enjoyed listening to it as a kid. Then they burnt her money. If I met them I wouldn't know whether to buy them a drink or given them a slap.

Well, they didn't burn her money. They burnt their money. If you spend your money by buying someone's album then that money is no longer your money. It's quite a simple concept.

Myriad · 26th May 2012, 08:27 PM

That's terrible. When I buy rock music, I expect the musicians to spend the money on hookers, drugs, shady hangers-on, and settlements for trashed hotel rooms. Not waste it!

Respectfully,
Myriad

Piscivore · 26th May 2012, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Bad Lieutenant

Tentative conclusions eh. Well said I guess! Even if one were a moderate discordian, one could still be an atheist most likely.

Well, I'm a Discordian and an atheist.

Mycroft · 27th May 2012, 07:37 AM

Somewhere I have a copy of the Principia Discordia, it's quite a fun read.

http://www.sjgames.com/principia/

Simon Bridge · 27th May 2012, 12:32 PM

Principia Discordia ... for those without access to the dead-tree editions from Loompanics or SJG.

26th May 2012, 03:06 AM	#4
cj.23 Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kadath in the Cold Waste Posts: 2,822	I like to regard myself as guerilla ontology in action. Well my presence on Dawkins forum, RatSkep and here anyway. Hail Eris! (fnord) cj x
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26th May 2012, 08:29 AM	#5
Bad Lieutenant Muse Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Cheltenham - England Posts: 612	Quote: Robert Anton Wilson (born Robert Edward Wilson, January 18, 1932 – January 11, 2007), known to friends as "Bob", was an American author and polymath who became at various times a novelist, philosopher, psychologist, essayist, editor, playwright, poet, futurist, civil libertarian[1] and self-described agnostic mystic. Recognized as an episkopos, pope, and saint of Discordianism, Wilson helped publicize the group through his writings, interviews, and strolls.[clarification needed] Wilson described his work as an "attempt to break down conditioned associations, to look at the world in a new way, with many models recognized as models or maps, and no one model elevated to the truth".[2] His goal being "to try to get people into a state of generalized agnosticism, not agnosticism about God alone but agnosticism about everything" (cf. solipsism, acatalepsia, Pyrrhonism).[3] Seems to me that a lot of serious illuminati conspiracy theorists/attempted debunkers of said conspiracy theories somewhat missed the point. It's so damn tempting to have an opinion though
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26th May 2012, 08:44 AM	#6
cj.23 Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kadath in the Cold Waste Posts: 2,822	It's why I'm so fond of RAW. Still, nowt wrong in reaching tentative conclusions? cj x
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26th May 2012, 03:39 PM	#8
cj.23 Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kadath in the Cold Waste Posts: 2,822	I think how we burnt a million quid is online. Somewhere I have their book on how to have a No 1 single. Yep, atheism, theism - so long as your conclusion is provisional on the evidence we have, you can be a sceptic. Scepticism to me is a methodology, nit a conclusion. cj x
	__________________ I'm an Anglican Christian, so I declare my prejudice here. Please take it in to account when reading my posts. "Most people would rather die than think: many do." - Betrand Russell My dull life blogged http://jerome23.wordpress.com

26th May 2012, 04:41 PM	#9
Tsukasa Buddha Other (please write in) Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: NeverLand Posts: 9,917	Quote: Greater Poop: Is Eris true? Malaclypse the Younger: Everything is true. GP: Even false things? M2: Even false things are true. GP: How can that be? M2: I don't know man, I didn't do it. Awesome!
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25th May 2012, 03:50 PM	#2
Beelzebuddy Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,718	It's not a bad religion if you need to get your relig on.

26th May 2012, 02:53 AM	#3
Bad Lieutenant Muse Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Cheltenham - England Posts: 612	Quote: The KLF's entire body of work is Discordian both in subject matter and in approach. I remember when the KLF burnt £1 million. My mother bought one of their albums and I enjoyed listening to it as a kid. Then they burnt her money. If I met them I wouldn't know whether to buy them a drink or given them a slap.

26th May 2012, 07:19 PM	#10
Bad Lieutenant Muse Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Cheltenham - England Posts: 612	I'm having a bonfire this afternoon.

26th May 2012, 08:16 PM	#11
angrysoba Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 8,566	Originally Posted by Bad Lieutenant I remember when the KLF burnt £1 million. My mother bought one of their albums and I enjoyed listening to it as a kid. Then they burnt her money. If I met them I wouldn't know whether to buy them a drink or given them a slap. Well, they didn't burn her money. They burnt their money. If you spend your money by buying someone's album then that money is no longer your money. It's quite a simple concept.

26th May 2012, 08:27 PM	#12
Myriad Hyperthetical Moderator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 8,203	That's terrible. When I buy rock music, I expect the musicians to spend the money on hookers, drugs, shady hangers-on, and settlements for trashed hotel rooms. Not waste it! Respectfully, Myriad
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26th May 2012, 08:29 PM	#13
Piscivore Smelling fishy Join Date: May 2004 Location: Home is wherever I'm with you Posts: 26,475	Originally Posted by Bad Lieutenant Tentative conclusions eh. Well said I guess! Even if one were a moderate discordian, one could still be an atheist most likely. Well, I'm a Discordian and an atheist.
	__________________ Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Take his fish away and tell him he's lucky just to be alive, and he'll figure out how to catch another one for you to take tomorrow. "...untrustworthy obnoxious twerp." - CFLarsen

27th May 2012, 07:37 AM	#14
Mycroft High Priest of Ed Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 16,105	Somewhere I have a copy of the Principia Discordia, it's quite a fun read. http://www.sjgames.com/principia/
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27th May 2012, 12:32 PM	#15
Simon Bridge Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Waiheke Island (NZ) Posts: 346	Principia Discordia ... for those without access to the dead-tree editions from Loompanics or SJG.