Wake Up Call To All Truthers - Page 7

Ape of Good Hope · 22nd August 2012, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

What's really funny is that the people on this forum have a single agenda.

That's not entirely accurate Clayton.

For example: You are a member of this forum, and given your comments in the 9/11 subforum, the Holocaust threads and the vaccine threads it could be argued that you are pushing several agendas.

ETA - I suppose it's possible that by "single agenda" you could mean a bias towards documented evidence, fact, reality and so on. If that's the case, I for one am guilty as charged.

ETA2 - bugger, now it appears as if I edited my post after reading Oystein's post. I swear that wasn't the case your honour!

Oystein · 22nd August 2012, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

What's really funny is that the people on this forum have a single agenda.

Correct. This is the JREF forum, and the JREF's Mission is stated on the About the Foundation page:

Originally Posted by JREF

Mission statement:

Our mission is to promote critical thinking by reaching out to the public and media with reliable information about paranormal and supernatural ideas so widespread in our society today.

Specifically, we here in the 9/11 sub-forum seek to educate ourselves, and you, about irrational beliefs and woo concerning 9/11 Conspiracy Theories, by debunking them and explaining reality using facts, reason and rational logic. That is our common agenda.

Why do you think that's funny?

ozeco41 · 22nd August 2012, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by Oystein

Correct. This is the JREF forum, and the JREF's Mission is stated on the About the Foundation page:

Specifically, we here in the 9/11 sub-forum seek to educate ourselves, and you, about irrational beliefs and woo concerning 9/11 Conspiracy Theories, by debunking them and explaining reality using facts, reason and rational logic. That is our common agenda.

Why do you think that's funny?

Well said sir!

.

Clayton Moore · 22nd August 2012, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by Ape of Good Hope

ETA - I suppose it's possible that by "single agenda" you could mean a bias towards documented evidence, fact, reality and so on. If that's the case, I for one am guilty as charged.

Just the opposite. I've never read so many lies that support agendas of misinformation, misdeeds, and hate.

Ape of Good Hope · 22nd August 2012, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

I've never read so many lies that support agendas of misinformation, misdeeds, and hate.

True enough. There ARE a lot of conspiracy kooks posting here.

Should they be ignored, or indulged?

That would be the question

Kid Eager · 22nd August 2012, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Just the opposite. I've never read so many lies that support agendas of misinformation, misdeeds, and hate.

Well, it rather hard to write posts with one's eyes closed, hmmm?

Animal · 22nd August 2012, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Just the opposite. I've never read so many lies that support agendas of misinformation, misdeeds, and hate.

Then stop reading troofer sites. Problem solved.

twinstead · 22nd August 2012, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Just the opposite. I've never read so many lies that support agendas of misinformation, misdeeds, and hate.

Fortunately for us, this coming from an ideologue as blatantly biased as you is pretty much meaningless.

MIKILLINI · 28th August 2012, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

What's really funny is that the people on this forum have a single agenda.

Seeking evidence and the application of it with logical examination is the fundamental agenda here, so why is that so difficult for you to acknowledge?

Triterope · 28th August 2012, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

What's really funny is that the people on this forum have a single agenda.

No, what's funny is that you originally entitled this thread "a wake up call to all Truthers."

ozeco41 · 28th August 2012, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Triterope

No, what's funny is that you originally entitled this thread "a wake up call to all Truthers."

His own OP and he cannot stay 'on topic'.

Brass · 28th August 2012, 06:43 PM

Speaking of nukes NO ONE in the Twoofer movement has ever answered this question of mine:

If the Bush Administration was so clever to pull off 9/11 and had no problem murdering thousands of innocent Americans, then why didn't they plant WMD's in Iraq so that the Bush Administration's legacy wasn't tarnished even more?

Triterope · 28th August 2012, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by ozeco41

His own OP and he cannot stay 'on topic'.

While also escalating the self-parody, which was pretty extreme to begin with. Rowan Atkinson couldn't invent a character this oblivious.

Clayton Moore · 28th August 2012, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by Brass

Speaking of nukes NO ONE in the Twoofer movement has ever answered this question of mine:

If the Bush Administration was so clever to pull off 9/11 and had no problem murdering thousands of innocent Americans, then why didn't they plant WMD's in Iraq so that the Bush Administration's legacy wasn't tarnished even more?

Who was going to plant the wmd? The Saudis?

Redtail · 28th August 2012, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Who was going to plant the wmd? The Saudis?

The same people who wired the towers with explosives. No one managed to notice that.

Clayton Moore · 28th August 2012, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Redtail

The same people who wired the towers with explosives. No one managed to notice that.

God noticed them. They and those who protect them will all be going to Hell.

Redtail · 28th August 2012, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

God noticed them. They and those who protect them will all be going to Hell.

So god noticed them, didn't do anything to stop them, let about 3,000 die that day, allowed 2 wars to happen, & let... what... hundreds of thousands, millions die in said wars?

...k...

Either these people obviously don't care about hell so there is no reason why they wouldn't plant the WMDs, & since no WMDs were found it's likely they only exist in your imagination.

Or... (according to your logic)

God is a dick & as a dick they & those who protect them are going to the gated community in heaven near the best schools, supermarkets, transportation, with easy access to the highway, & views of mountains, the ocean, downtown, & a hot chick's bedroom just to piss you off.

dafydd · 29th August 2012, 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

God noticed them. .

So Allah kept his mouth shut?

Mudcat · 29th August 2012, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

God noticed them. They and those who protect them will all be going to Hell.

The Religion and Philosophy section is here.

Brass · 29th August 2012, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Who was going to plant the wmd? The Saudis?

Same people who orchestrated the 9/11 "plot". Why not just lie about it and say "Hey, we found WMDs in Iraq!"?

I look forward to you dodging my question again.

Edx · 29th August 2012, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Brass

Same people who orchestrated the 9/11 "plot". Why not just lie about it and say "Hey, we found WMDs in Iraq!"?

I look forward to you dodging my question again.

Ah thats because they have to appear really stupid and incompetent so that everyone will say they couldnt have masterminded the most ridiculously convoluted and pointless conspiracy ever conceived!

Clayton Moore · 29th August 2012, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Brass

Same people who orchestrated the 9/11 "plot". Why not just lie about it and say "Hey, we found WMDs in Iraq!"?

ROTFLMAO That's exactly what they did say.

Triterope · 29th August 2012, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Who was going to plant the wmd? The Saudis?

Originally Posted by Redtail

The same people who wired the towers with explosives. No one managed to notice that.

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

God noticed them. They and those who protect them will all be going to Hell.

Rowan Atkinson, dude.

Brass · 29th August 2012, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

ROTFLMAO That's exactly what they did say.

They said that BEFORE the invasion of Iraq. Why didn't they say it after and admit that everything was justified, again, AFTER the invasion of Iraq? Stop tip-toeing around the questions, little boy.

Robrob · 29th August 2012, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Originally Posted by Brass

Same people who orchestrated the 9/11 "plot". Why not just lie about it and say "Hey, we found WMDs in Iraq!"?

ROTFLMAO That's exactly what they did say.

Wow, step away from the hookah...

Mudcat · 29th August 2012, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Brass

They said that BEFORE the invasion of Iraq. Why didn't they say it after and admit that everything was justified, again, AFTER the invasion of Iraq? Stop tip-toeing around the questions, little boy.

What I don't get is why CM keeps trotting that out when it was admitted that there were no WMD found.

You'd think that if the evil ~~empire~~ government managed to blow the twin towers up without leaving a trace of evidence behind while making it look like what actually happened that day, it would be child's play to plant any kind of WMD they wanted to.

Brass · 29th August 2012, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Mudcat

What I don't get is why CM keeps trotting that out when it was admitted that there were no WMD found.

You'd think that if the evil ~~empire~~ government managed to blow the twin towers up without leaving a trace of evidence behind while making it look like what actually happened that day, it would be child's play to plant any kind of WMD they wanted to.

He's a truther. He's dodging the questions by playing semantics. It's the only way they can argue.

Ape of Good Hope · 29th August 2012, 10:51 PM

"Wake Up Call To All Truthers"

When thread titles bite back.

dafydd · 29th August 2012, 11:08 PM

Originally Posted by Ape of Good Hope

"Wake Up Call To All Truthers"

When thread titles bite back.

They're still somnambulating.

22nd August 2012, 12:37 AM	#241
Ape of Good Hope Muse Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Brizzle Posts: 663	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore What's really funny is that the people on this forum have a single agenda. That's not entirely accurate Clayton. For example: You are a member of this forum, and given your comments in the 9/11 subforum, the Holocaust threads and the vaccine threads it could be argued that you are pushing several agendas. ETA - I suppose it's possible that by "single agenda" you could mean a bias towards documented evidence, fact, reality and so on. If that's the case, I for one am guilty as charged. ETA2 - bugger, now it appears as if I edited my post after reading Oystein's post. I swear that wasn't the case your honour!
	Last edited by Ape of Good Hope; 22nd August 2012 at 01:01 AM.

22nd August 2012, 01:02 AM	#244
Clayton Moore Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 6,184	Originally Posted by Ape of Good Hope ETA - I suppose it's possible that by "single agenda" you could mean a bias towards documented evidence, fact, reality and so on. If that's the case, I for one am guilty as charged. Just the opposite. I've never read so many lies that support agendas of misinformation, misdeeds, and hate.
	__________________ Shitat Matzliach is why the Holohoax works. The same neoconservative scum who engineered 9/11 and got the US into two wars want American troops to sacrifice their lives in Syria and Iran. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhc7M...Mc4eb2TClVRQws http://rememberbuilding7.org/10/#aevideo http://www2.ae911truth.org/actionale...rBuilding7.php

22nd August 2012, 01:53 AM	#246
Kid Eager Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 3,495	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Just the opposite. I've never read so many lies that support agendas of misinformation, misdeeds, and hate. Well, it rather hard to write posts with one's eyes closed, hmmm?
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22nd August 2012, 07:09 AM	#248
twinstead Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Big corner office in NWO Towers Posts: 11,574	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Just the opposite. I've never read so many lies that support agendas of misinformation, misdeeds, and hate. Fortunately for us, this coming from an ideologue as blatantly biased as you is pretty much meaningless.
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28th August 2012, 05:37 PM	#249
MIKILLINI Incromulent Logic Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Illini State Posts: 2,883	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore What's really funny is that the people on this forum have a single agenda. Seeking evidence and the application of it with logical examination is the fundamental agenda here, so why is that so difficult for you to acknowledge?
	__________________ Attempting to build a case without evidence is just another day spent with no use of common sense. The conspiracist is not merely illogical: he assaults logic.~ Pomeroo Sylvia Browne is not a medium, she's a mediocre. Last edited by MIKILLINI; 28th August 2012 at 05:40 PM.

22nd August 2012, 12:40 AM	#242
Oystein Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 9,752	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore What's really funny is that the people on this forum have a single agenda. Correct. This is the JREF forum, and the JREF's Mission is stated on the About the Foundation page: Originally Posted by JREF Mission statement: Our mission is to promote critical thinking by reaching out to the public and media with reliable information about paranormal and supernatural ideas so widespread in our society today. Specifically, we here in the 9/11 sub-forum seek to educate ourselves, and you, about irrational beliefs and woo concerning 9/11 Conspiracy Theories, by debunking them and explaining reality using facts, reason and rational logic. That is our common agenda. Why do you think that's funny?

22nd August 2012, 12:53 AM	#243
ozeco41 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Moss Vale, NSW, Australia Posts: 3,655	Originally Posted by Oystein Correct. This is the JREF forum, and the JREF's Mission is stated on the About the Foundation page: Specifically, we here in the 9/11 sub-forum seek to educate ourselves, and you, about irrational beliefs and woo concerning 9/11 Conspiracy Theories, by debunking them and explaining reality using facts, reason and rational logic. That is our common agenda. Why do you think that's funny? Well said sir! .

22nd August 2012, 01:06 AM	#245
Ape of Good Hope Muse Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Brizzle Posts: 663	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore I've never read so many lies that support agendas of misinformation, misdeeds, and hate. True enough. There ARE a lot of conspiracy kooks posting here. Should they be ignored, or indulged? That would be the question

22nd August 2012, 06:49 AM	#247
Animal Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,368	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Just the opposite. I've never read so many lies that support agendas of misinformation, misdeeds, and hate. Then stop reading troofer sites. Problem solved.

28th August 2012, 06:09 PM	#250
Triterope Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Walking the fine line between stupid and clever Posts: 915	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore What's really funny is that the people on this forum have a single agenda. No, what's funny is that you originally entitled this thread "a wake up call to all Truthers."

28th August 2012, 06:31 PM	#251
ozeco41 Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Moss Vale, NSW, Australia Posts: 3,655	Originally Posted by Triterope No, what's funny is that you originally entitled this thread "a wake up call to all Truthers." His own OP and he cannot stay 'on topic'.

28th August 2012, 06:43 PM	#252
Brass Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 391	Speaking of nukes NO ONE in the Twoofer movement has ever answered this question of mine: If the Bush Administration was so clever to pull off 9/11 and had no problem murdering thousands of innocent Americans, then why didn't they plant WMD's in Iraq so that the Bush Administration's legacy wasn't tarnished even more?

28th August 2012, 06:49 PM	#253
Triterope Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Walking the fine line between stupid and clever Posts: 915	Originally Posted by ozeco41 His own OP and he cannot stay 'on topic'. While also escalating the self-parody, which was pretty extreme to begin with. Rowan Atkinson couldn't invent a character this oblivious.

28th August 2012, 10:18 PM	#254
Clayton Moore Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 6,184	Originally Posted by Brass Speaking of nukes NO ONE in the Twoofer movement has ever answered this question of mine: If the Bush Administration was so clever to pull off 9/11 and had no problem murdering thousands of innocent Americans, then why didn't they plant WMD's in Iraq so that the Bush Administration's legacy wasn't tarnished even more? Who was going to plant the wmd? The Saudis?
	__________________ Shitat Matzliach is why the Holohoax works. The same neoconservative scum who engineered 9/11 and got the US into two wars want American troops to sacrifice their lives in Syria and Iran. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhc7M...Mc4eb2TClVRQws http://rememberbuilding7.org/10/#aevideo http://www2.ae911truth.org/actionale...rBuilding7.php

28th August 2012, 10:37 PM	#255
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Who was going to plant the wmd? The Saudis? The same people who wired the towers with explosives. No one managed to notice that.
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	__________________ AVENGERS!!!.. Turn off the dark!

28th August 2012, 10:58 PM	#256
Clayton Moore Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 6,184	Originally Posted by Redtail The same people who wired the towers with explosives. No one managed to notice that. God noticed them. They and those who protect them will all be going to Hell.
	__________________ Shitat Matzliach is why the Holohoax works. The same neoconservative scum who engineered 9/11 and got the US into two wars want American troops to sacrifice their lives in Syria and Iran. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhc7M...Mc4eb2TClVRQws http://rememberbuilding7.org/10/#aevideo http://www2.ae911truth.org/actionale...rBuilding7.php

28th August 2012, 11:56 PM	#257
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore God noticed them. They and those who protect them will all be going to Hell. So god noticed them, didn't do anything to stop them, let about 3,000 die that day, allowed 2 wars to happen, & let... what... hundreds of thousands, millions die in said wars? ...k... Either these people obviously don't care about hell so there is no reason why they wouldn't plant the WMDs, & since no WMDs were found it's likely they only exist in your imagination. Or... (according to your logic) God is a dick & as a dick they & those who protect them are going to the gated community in heaven near the best schools, supermarkets, transportation, with easy access to the highway, & views of mountains, the ocean, downtown, & a hot chick's bedroom just to piss you off.
Redtail Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 9,304	__________________ AVENGERS!!!.. Turn off the dark! Last edited by Redtail; 29th August 2012 at 12:04 AM.

29th August 2012, 02:40 AM	#258
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,467	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore God noticed them. . So Allah kept his mouth shut?
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29th August 2012, 08:46 AM	#259
Mudcat Man of a Thousand Memes Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,687	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore God noticed them. They and those who protect them will all be going to Hell. The Religion and Philosophy section is here.
	__________________ The major problem with Ocham's Razor is that while the simplest answer may be the best answer that doesn't make it the only answer or the right one. Kopji: A perfect utopia where everyone follows the rules is more like a hell than a heaven.

29th August 2012, 01:06 PM	#260
Brass Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 391	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Who was going to plant the wmd? The Saudis? Same people who orchestrated the 9/11 "plot". Why not just lie about it and say "Hey, we found WMDs in Iraq!"? I look forward to you dodging my question again.

29th August 2012, 01:08 PM	#261
Edx Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 4,242	Originally Posted by Brass Same people who orchestrated the 9/11 "plot". Why not just lie about it and say "Hey, we found WMDs in Iraq!"? I look forward to you dodging my question again. Ah thats because they have to appear really stupid and incompetent so that everyone will say they couldnt have masterminded the most ridiculously convoluted and pointless conspiracy ever conceived!
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29th August 2012, 04:13 PM	#262
Clayton Moore Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 6,184	Originally Posted by Brass Same people who orchestrated the 9/11 "plot". Why not just lie about it and say "Hey, we found WMDs in Iraq!"? ROTFLMAO That's exactly what they did say.
	__________________ Shitat Matzliach is why the Holohoax works. The same neoconservative scum who engineered 9/11 and got the US into two wars want American troops to sacrifice their lives in Syria and Iran. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhc7M...Mc4eb2TClVRQws http://rememberbuilding7.org/10/#aevideo http://www2.ae911truth.org/actionale...rBuilding7.php

29th August 2012, 07:34 PM	#263
Triterope Muse Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Walking the fine line between stupid and clever Posts: 915	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Who was going to plant the wmd? The Saudis? Originally Posted by Redtail The same people who wired the towers with explosives. No one managed to notice that. Originally Posted by Clayton Moore God noticed them. They and those who protect them will all be going to Hell. Rowan Atkinson, dude.

29th August 2012, 09:03 PM	#264
Brass Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 391	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore ROTFLMAO That's exactly what they did say. They said that BEFORE the invasion of Iraq. Why didn't they say it after and admit that everything was justified, again, AFTER the invasion of Iraq? Stop tip-toeing around the questions, little boy.

29th August 2012, 09:15 PM	#265
Robrob Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,660	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Originally Posted by Brass Same people who orchestrated the 9/11 "plot". Why not just lie about it and say "Hey, we found WMDs in Iraq!"? ROTFLMAO That's exactly what they did say. Wow, step away from the hookah...
Robrob Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,660

29th August 2012, 09:31 PM	#266
Mudcat Man of a Thousand Memes Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 3,687	Originally Posted by Brass They said that BEFORE the invasion of Iraq. Why didn't they say it after and admit that everything was justified, again, AFTER the invasion of Iraq? Stop tip-toeing around the questions, little boy. What I don't get is why CM keeps trotting that out when it was admitted that there were no WMD found. You'd think that if the evil ~~empire~~ government managed to blow the twin towers up without leaving a trace of evidence behind while making it look like what actually happened that day, it would be child's play to plant any kind of WMD they wanted to.
	__________________ The major problem with Ocham's Razor is that while the simplest answer may be the best answer that doesn't make it the only answer or the right one. Kopji: A perfect utopia where everyone follows the rules is more like a hell than a heaven.

29th August 2012, 09:51 PM	#267
Brass Critical Thinker Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 391	Originally Posted by Mudcat What I don't get is why CM keeps trotting that out when it was admitted that there were no WMD found. You'd think that if the evil ~~empire~~ government managed to blow the twin towers up without leaving a trace of evidence behind while making it look like what actually happened that day, it would be child's play to plant any kind of WMD they wanted to. He's a truther. He's dodging the questions by playing semantics. It's the only way they can argue.

29th August 2012, 10:51 PM	#268
Ape of Good Hope Muse Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Brizzle Posts: 663	"Wake Up Call To All Truthers" When thread titles bite back.

29th August 2012, 11:08 PM	#269
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,467	Originally Posted by Ape of Good Hope "Wake Up Call To All Truthers" When thread titles bite back. They're still somnambulating.
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