How to move the earth ? - Page 2

Trakar · 2nd June 2012, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by CapelDodger

Now that would be an Olympics Opening Ceremony to write home about.

Or an ex-politician retirement plan worth paying for.

pilsan · 2nd June 2012, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Bikewer

Greg Bear did a novel called Moving Mars on this very subject. Bear usually has a handle on some cutting edge ideas, but I confess I don't recall the theories employed.

I'm a big fan of Greg Bear but it's a while since I read that book.

If I remember correctly it has something to do with people who can manipulate matter using their minds. Any particle can be defined by a series of numbers - velocity, point in space etc. By changing one of these numbers e.g. the one defining the x coordinate - a particle would disappear and reappear somewhere else. The people in the book could do this on a planetary scale - manipulating the coordinates of every particle in Mars and everything on it (including the population).

Don't think this could be described as cutting edge science, however.

Phil

Zeuzzz · 2nd June 2012, 05:43 PM

With a spade.

LibraryLady · 2nd June 2012, 06:08 PM

Okay, I make a perfectly good Hemingway joke, and no one gets it?

Zeuzzz · 2nd June 2012, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by LibraryLady

Okay, I make a perfectly good Hemingway joke, and no one gets it?

Don't know who he is ... explain the joke

(before I post the typical "it was so funny I forgot to laugh" response)

quarky · 2nd June 2012, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by LibraryLady

Okay, I make a perfectly good Hemingway joke, and no one gets it?

I feel your pain. I tried subtle humor once.

autumn1971 · 2nd June 2012, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by LibraryLady

Okay, I make a perfectly good Hemingway joke, and no one gets it?

I like your posts a lot, but in this case I have to disagree. A "perfectly good Hemingway joke" should contain at least one polydactyl cat, a bullfight, and someone who has had their genitals shot off.

Roboramma · 2nd June 2012, 11:41 PM

I like the idea of using the moon as a sort of gravitational tether, and moving the moon. If you did it slowly enough (not necessarily all that slow), people on earth needn't even notice any of the tidal forces, though they'd certainly notice some of the other affects of a changing orbit (ie. climactic).

I suggest bombarding the moon with comets. When a comet approaches the inner solar system with something like the right velocity, tweek it so it hits the moon. Of course, not every comet will do, but the more energy you're willing to spend "tweeking" the comet's orbit, the more comets you'll find that can do the job. Over the course of millions of years there may be enough such comets (this is the point in my post where I should do some research and math to figure out if that's true...).

The benefit of this approach is that the energy you have to use to adjust the orbit of the comet is much less than the energy that the comet gives to the moon (and thus the earth). So there's a little bit of a free lunch there.

tsig · 3rd June 2012, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Mikemcc

So how do we apply massive forces to the crust without shearing it, the mantle is liquid after all (ok, a very viscose liquid, but still liquid)?

You clamp the Earth in a stasis field first then you depolarize the energy bias while increasing the quantum electron flux on the driver plates.

Pretty routine.

freedy · 4th June 2012, 06:00 AM

I'd ask God to do it. Almighty and all powerful etc etc...

2nd June 2012, 10:40 AM	#41
Trakar Philosopher Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,920	Originally Posted by CapelDodger Now that would be an Olympics Opening Ceremony to write home about. Or an ex-politician retirement plan worth paying for.
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2nd June 2012, 04:32 PM	#42
pilsan Student Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 32	Originally Posted by Bikewer Greg Bear did a novel called Moving Mars on this very subject. Bear usually has a handle on some cutting edge ideas, but I confess I don't recall the theories employed. I'm a big fan of Greg Bear but it's a while since I read that book. If I remember correctly it has something to do with people who can manipulate matter using their minds. Any particle can be defined by a series of numbers - velocity, point in space etc. By changing one of these numbers e.g. the one defining the x coordinate - a particle would disappear and reappear somewhere else. The people in the book could do this on a planetary scale - manipulating the coordinates of every particle in Mars and everything on it (including the population). Don't think this could be described as cutting edge science, however. Phil
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2nd June 2012, 05:43 PM	#43
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2nd June 2012, 06:42 PM	#45
Zeuzzz Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,241	Originally Posted by LibraryLady Okay, I make a perfectly good Hemingway joke, and no one gets it? Don't know who he is ... explain the joke (before I post the typical "it was so funny I forgot to laugh" response)
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2nd June 2012, 08:35 PM	#46
quarky Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20,454	Originally Posted by LibraryLady Okay, I make a perfectly good Hemingway joke, and no one gets it? I feel your pain. I tried subtle humor once.
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2nd June 2012, 11:03 PM	#47
autumn1971 Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,451	Originally Posted by LibraryLady Okay, I make a perfectly good Hemingway joke, and no one gets it? I like your posts a lot, but in this case I have to disagree. A "perfectly good Hemingway joke" should contain at least one polydactyl cat, a bullfight, and someone who has had their genitals shot off.
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2nd June 2012, 11:41 PM	#48
Roboramma Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shanghai Posts: 7,095	I like the idea of using the moon as a sort of gravitational tether, and moving the moon. If you did it slowly enough (not necessarily all that slow), people on earth needn't even notice any of the tidal forces, though they'd certainly notice some of the other affects of a changing orbit (ie. climactic). I suggest bombarding the moon with comets. When a comet approaches the inner solar system with something like the right velocity, tweek it so it hits the moon. Of course, not every comet will do, but the more energy you're willing to spend "tweeking" the comet's orbit, the more comets you'll find that can do the job. Over the course of millions of years there may be enough such comets (this is the point in my post where I should do some research and math to figure out if that's true...). The benefit of this approach is that the energy you have to use to adjust the orbit of the comet is much less than the energy that the comet gives to the moon (and thus the earth). So there's a little bit of a free lunch there.
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3rd June 2012, 02:59 PM	#49
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,718	Originally Posted by Mikemcc So how do we apply massive forces to the crust without shearing it, the mantle is liquid after all (ok, a very viscose liquid, but still liquid)? You clamp the Earth in a stasis field first then you depolarize the energy bias while increasing the quantum electron flux on the driver plates. Pretty routine.

4th June 2012, 06:00 AM	#50
freedy Scholar Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 53	I'd ask God to do it. Almighty and all powerful etc etc...
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