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Old 10th May 2012, 06:23 AM   #401
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Originally Posted by slingblade View Post
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism

Thus, I repeat:

There's no such thing as "pure" altruism. At the very least, being altruistic makes you feel good, so you always get something for it.
Does that mean that altruism is a logical paradox?
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Old 10th May 2012, 06:41 AM   #402
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Originally Posted by Dinwar View Post
It's been cloudy for three days now in SoCal. I have to look for more terrestrial types of sin.

My wife DID just obtain a riding crop, though, so perhaps tonight won't be a total waste in terms of looking for sin.
See how quickly she can leave her initials on a suitable part of your anatomy...............
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Old 10th May 2012, 06:48 AM   #403
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Originally Posted by Johnny Brant View Post
A definition of 'sin' might be- "any type of bad behaviour that disrupts the natural harmony of the universe"
What "natural harmony" is that? The inevitable increase of entropy? And what makes such behaviour "bad"?
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Old 10th May 2012, 06:52 AM   #404
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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
And the key word is, of course, "believe". One of my revelations on the road to atheism was the realization that other people believed just as strongly in their beliefs as I as a Christian did in mine.

Eventually, a pox on all the silly, foolish, unjustifiable and unprovable nonsense.

You have been provide on numerous occasions with many of the blatant contradictions in the Bible. Christian apologists have been twisting and turning in the wind since the Second Century with their contrived explanations. They have convinced no one but themselves and certainly not each other.
I think it's time for this graphic again:


It illustrates well the xian fear of thought, logic and reason, that it leads to atheism.
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Old 10th May 2012, 06:57 AM   #405
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
Does that mean that altruism is a logical paradox?
I wouldn't know.
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Old 10th May 2012, 07:18 AM   #406
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Originally Posted by slingblade View Post
There's no such thing as "pure" altruism. At the very least, being altruistic makes you feel good, so you always get something for it.

*waits for the usual hand-waving*
Absolutely.
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Old 10th May 2012, 07:21 AM   #407
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Originally Posted by devnull View Post
isnt it like the inverse of cos or something?
Nope .

sine = Opposite/Hypotenuse
cosine = Adjacent/Hypotenuse
tangent = Opposite/Adjacent
secant = Hypotenuse/Opposite
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Old 10th May 2012, 08:47 AM   #408
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Originally Posted by slingblade View Post
There's no such thing as "pure" altruism. At the very least, being altruistic makes you feel good, so you always get something for it.
THere is a big difference between doing something primarily for the benefit it brings to you, and recieving incidental benefit from having accomplished a task, again, it goes to motivation.
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Originally Posted by catsmate1 View Post
secant = Hypotenuse/Opposite
Oops!

secant = Hypotenuse/Adjacent
cosecant = Hypotenuse/Opposite

So sin is the inverse of cosecant.

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Originally Posted by Trakar View Post
THere is a big difference between doing something primarily for the benefit it brings to you, and recieving incidental benefit from having accomplished a task, again, it goes to motivation.
There's also a thing call "fallacy of the single cause".
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Old 10th May 2012, 09:59 AM   #411
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Originally Posted by Trakar View Post
THere is a big difference between doing something primarily for the benefit it brings to you, and recieving incidental benefit from having accomplished a task, again, it goes to motivation.
Absolutely.

Just like there's a difference between donating to a charity for tax purposes, and donating to a charity because you strongly believe in it and then enjoying a tax break.

Just because there is an incidental reflexive benefit doesn't mean that's the reason most people go out of their way to help others.
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Originally Posted by Piscivore View Post
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THere is a big difference between doing something primarily for the benefit it brings to you, and recieving incidental benefit from having accomplished a task, again, it goes to motivation.
There's also a thing call "fallacy of the single cause".
In order to demonstrate the relevency of your response, can you demonstrate who has proposed a single cause for anything?
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