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Old 16th December 2012, 07:54 PM   #1
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Bad Cropcircles?

I've been trying to deal with someone that is sure Crop circles have some paranormal meaning. I finally convinced her about pyramids, as I could show BAD pyramids.

She says "There never are any bad crop circles, they are always perfect without any mistakes. Where are the beginner crop circles?"

I thought there must be some BAD ones out there, or where everyone got drunk and went home before finishing or something. She does have a point, these seem pretty hard to make (not the paranormal part though).

I figure people just don't take photographs of the bad ones. ANy help out there?
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Old 16th December 2012, 08:01 PM   #2
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type in simple crop circles on google images and there are loads of easy crop circles there
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Old 16th December 2012, 08:02 PM   #3
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maybe NSFW!

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Old 16th December 2012, 08:04 PM   #4
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It's a losing argument. Find some poorly done ones, like these and she'll say those were human made but the others weren't.

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SOUTHHAMPTON, England – Once again, more mishapen crop circles have appeared all over the English Countryside causing some ufologists to question the competence of the alien’s making such shoddy circles on the countryside.

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Old 16th December 2012, 08:12 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by kittynh View Post
She does have a point, these seem pretty hard to make........
Actually they are not that hard to make, look it up.

Once reports of the crop circles hit the media, the designs became more and more complex. So......

Either more artistically inclined aliens began visiting the Earth, or.......

The humans making the crop circles engaged in some artistic one upmanship.

I believe Occam's razor would lead me to the latter alternative.
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Old 16th December 2012, 08:21 PM   #6
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Old 17th December 2012, 02:53 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by kittynh View Post
I've been trying to deal with someone that is sure Crop circles have some paranormal meaning. I finally convinced her about pyramids, as I could show BAD pyramids.

She says "There never are any bad crop circles, they are always perfect without any mistakes. Where are the beginner crop circles?"

I thought there must be some BAD ones out there, or where everyone got drunk and went home before finishing or something. She does have a point, these seem pretty hard to make (not the paranormal part though).

I figure people just don't take photographs of the bad ones. ANy help out there?
The statement that there are never any bad ones is silly... one just has to look at over half of the ones made in the 2012 season to see that there are lots of bad ones.
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2...-2-IMG4054.jpg

http://www.shropshirelive.com/wp-con...right-2012.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-f3LSUoxaTh.../s22920720.jpg

As for ones that were unfinished and abandoned... yup there are several examples of these too from over the years.

http://www.ufosonearth.com/site/wp-c...opHackpen1.jpg

http://www.cropcirclesonline.com/LRC/uk2001de.jpg

http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/...y-street2c.jpg
(this one was botched up and completed badly a few nights later)

And talking of circles that are initially left unfinished and then returned to a night or two later... these are all examples of ones which took up to three nights to complete:

http://frontview.files.wordpress.com...wood2002-1.jpg (three nights)

http://consciouslifenews.com/wp-cont...-June-2009.jpg (three nights)

http://api.ning.com/files/moS4TWsYQl...s445ssS/c4.jpg (two nights)

http://mayankin.com/blog/wp-content/...p-Circle-2.jpg (two nights)

And then there are the rare ones when crop circle researchers actually spotted people in the fields making circles, the last one of the previous batch being one and these being some more examples;

http://cropcircleconnector.com/Soren...Doubl20042.jpg

http://api.ning.com/files/R5LnpG4O40...field2010q.jpg
This one also fit into the made over three nights category, with the extra honour of it being a crop circle where the people making it were spotted and challenged by crop circle researchers having some sort of altercation with the circlemakers in the field. The circlemakers still returned the next night and the night after that to finish off the design.

And finally, there are the examples of film crews filming people making crop circles which are initially deemed to be the real deal by the credulous crop circle researchers.

http://cropcirclewisdom.com/uploads/...115740.jpg?645

Video of crop circle researchers feeling the mystical vibes from the man made commissioned circle;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocf5m...layer_embedded

But the real pain in the butt for crop circle believers is the biggest crop circle ever made;
http://forgetomori.com/wp-content/up...ojetoatlas.jpg

Which was part of a project from long time circlemakers XL D-Sign which was filmed by a TV host who helped in it's construction;
http://sites.bnn.nl/page/tbyd2011/vi...c0e0e0276abfba

So there you go, there should be enough for you to be going on with.
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Old 18th December 2012, 05:42 AM   #8
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We did them. 1984 - 1987

Salisbury plains.

With string and wood.

Drunk and stoned

We were students at Southampton University. And it was widely known.
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Old 18th December 2012, 08:52 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by scarlettinlondon View Post
We did them. 1984 - 1987

Salisbury plains.

With string and wood.

Drunk and stoned

We were students at Southampton University. And it was widely known.
Widely known that you were students?
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Old 18th December 2012, 08:57 PM   #10
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Here is a crop circle made for the British comedy/game show QI
WITH a video of psychics being moved by the energy and power of the site.
http://www.circlemakers.org/qi.html

EDITED: Video of this was already included in Stray Cat's long list of circles, but this link posts to the site of the makers along with pictures of the making of it.

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Old 19th December 2012, 12:33 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by scarlettinlondon View Post
We did them. 1984 - 1987

Salisbury plains.

With string and wood.

Drunk and stoned

We were students at Southampton University. And it was widely known.
Was that after Doug Bower and Dave Chorley, or are you one of those two?
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Old 19th December 2012, 01:32 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Was that after Doug Bower and Dave Chorley, or are you one of those two?
Dave died in 1996, Doug retired from circlemaking years ago though he still keeps in touch with some of the circlemakers.
During the 80s, there were plenty of people making circles, it was in a lot of ways, the hey day of circlemaking and can be read about in detail in Jim Schnabel's book Round in Circles
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Old 19th December 2012, 01:42 AM   #13
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Originally Posted by Stray Cat View Post
...the hey day of circlemaking
Surely you mean hay day?
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Old 19th December 2012, 02:48 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by kerikiwi View Post
Surely you mean hay day?
I was trying not to be corny.
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Old 19th December 2012, 03:02 AM   #15
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Awesome references, Stray Cat.

The only trouble is that then the believers will then want evidences of people making amazing crop circles.
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Old 19th December 2012, 03:13 AM   #16
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Please, no more puns. For an educational forum they really go against the grain.
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Old 19th December 2012, 03:22 AM   #17
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It's threads like these that really separate the wheat from the chaff
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Old 19th December 2012, 03:40 AM   #18
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Please, no more puns. For an educational forum they really go against the grain.
No more? It's barley getting started. Embrace the rye humour (even if that's not how it's spelt).
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Old 19th December 2012, 03:40 AM   #19
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Originally Posted by Orphia Nay View Post
Awesome references, Stray Cat.
Thanks... It's my specialist subject... I suppose you could say I'm outstanding in my field.
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The only trouble is that then the believers will then want evidences of people making amazing crop circles.
The only problem with this is that once a circle is known to be man made, it loses it's 'amazing' status and so every crop circle shown to be man made has been relegated to the 'poor imitation' category.
Taking the giant mothman circle, which was filmed for the TV show and designed and made by XL D-Sign, there are two camps of believers, one who say the video is not proof and another that says the formation is nothing special because it doesn't contain any hidden message or sacred geometry. This latter group simply hasn't bothered looking for a message or encoded geometry because they believe the formation to be man made, the former group maintain that people couldn't make it so they have to deny the video is valid evidence...

And of course pointing out the total double standards of the requirement of evidence to believers has no effect what-so-ever, so asking them for evidence of another agency or entity making them does nothing to shake their blind belief... like with most beliefs in nonsense, they have an excuse for everything.
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Old 19th December 2012, 03:46 AM   #20
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Please, no more puns. For an educational forum they really go against the grain.
But puns regularly crop up throughout this forum.
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Was that after Doug Bower and Dave Chorley, or are you one of those two?
Around the same time I understand. Or at least overlapping times
No I am not one of those
It was widely known in the engineering and psychology departments that this was going on. Probably not widely known outside the university.
I was in the psych department at the time.

It's funny because I now have a brother in law in Ireland who is a Bleever. His main point is that the original ones were real and the newer fancier ones are people copying them. I try to point out that I was involved in some of the early ones, (although not the earliest as we were copying what others had done, it wasn't an original idea) He just doesn't believe me. Strange.

It's all a very long time ago now and it amuses me that this is still being discussed as a paranormal issue. I would have though that everyone would know by now how it worked as no one is being very secretive about itheir personal involvement with it.

At the time it was just a laugh. And then we would go home and watch the news reports on local TV.
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Old 21st December 2012, 11:06 PM   #22
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thanks for the puns and the crop circles
some ARE horrible!!
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Old 21st December 2012, 11:08 PM   #23
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I especially enjoy the unfinished ones! This will be great. I know it won't change any minds... but still, it's good to see BAD ones.
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Dave died in 1996, Doug retired from circlemaking years ago though he still keeps in touch with some of the circlemakers.
During the 80s, there were plenty of people making circles, it was in a lot of ways, the hey day of circlemaking and can be read about in detail in Jim Schnabel's book Round in Circles
He doesn't explain how to make real crop circles:

Good book, but it doesn't explain a lot of things. After reading it, I felt as if the author somehow missed the whole point. I know for a fact that many crop circles actually are man-made, but with fabricated crop circles, the maize gets broken in the process. With real crop circles (the phenomenon that hasn't really been totally explained yet) the maize is left bent to the ground but unbroken and the area is 'charged' (cell phones won't get reception inside them, electronic devices set on the ground no longer function, people feel tingling sensations while inside). The book was well written and the stories of the hoaxers were funny, but when I picked this book up, I was hoping to find an explanation for the real crop circles.




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Old 22nd December 2012, 10:53 AM   #25
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Awesome references, Stray Cat.

The only trouble is that then the believers will then want evidences of people making amazing crop circles.
Ditto!
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But puns regularly crop up throughout this forum.
Cereal punners go against the grain
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