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Penultimate Amazing
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Ron Paul Calls On UN (Which He Doesn’t Believe In) To Confiscate RonPaul.com
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Illuminator
Join Date: Oct 2005
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That's the thanks that he's giving to his grassroots supporters, now that he doesn't need them any more?
Wow. Just wow. |
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Body of Work
Join Date: May 2003
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Well, Libertarianism has always had joke-status with me anyways, like Communism: unworkable with humans who like to live in a society shared by others with different ideas.
Not shocked. |
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Illuminator
Join Date: Oct 2005
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I don't know that this says anything about libertarianism, but it definitely confirms that Ron Paul is a joke.
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Body of Work
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In the sense that libertarians are all about their philosophy except for this bit, and that bit...
But it goes for anyone who espouses a philosophy I suppose. |
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Illuminator
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: San Francisco, CA
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When any philosophy starts to be defined by a particular person (or group of people), then yes, this is exactly the sort of thing we should expect to happen. Political movements tend to become cultlike when they are less centered on ideas than the politicians who supposedly espouse them.
Oh well. I never cared much for Ron Paul anyhow. |
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If wishes were horses, we'd all be eating steak. -Jayne Cobb Believe what you're told. There would be chaos if everyone thought for themselves. -Top Dog slogan |
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Proud NWO Gatekeeper
Join Date: Jun 2009
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I can smell the rank hypocrisy from here.
If this doesn't get people realising that Ron Paul was a Demagogue, then nothing will. |
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Expert Expertologist
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I'm suffering from and unhealthy level of schadenfreude right now ...
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THE Lisa Simpson
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Join Date: Aug 2008
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Remember that even if he owns it and it's in his name though, he still has nothing to do with it or anything it says.
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Circled nothing is still nothing. "Nothing will stop the U.S. from being a world leader, not even a handful of adults who want their kids to take science lessons from a book that mentions unicorns six times." -UNLoVedRebel Mumpsimus: a stubborn person who insists on making an error in spite of being shown that it is wrong |
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Penultimate Amazing
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Bwahahahahahahaha.
Man, that's AWESOME. |
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I believe monarchy is a bankrupt institution. I would be ruled by a representative democracy.
Unfortunately, I find that I am ruled by a king. Very well, then: I will campaign tirelessly to replace the king with an elected government. But meanwhile, charlatans operating under the governance of the king, are depriving me of what is rightfully mine--even the king's law should recognize this. So, having no other recourse, I will appeal to the king to apply his own law, and give me the king's justice--such as it is--in this matter. Until the day that I am ruled by an elected government, I must make do as best I can, with the government I have. I don't think Ron Paul disbelieves that the UN exists, nor that he disbelieves it exercises authority over some things. Rather, I think he believes that it should not exist, or at least should not have the authority it currently has. But until that day, he must appeal to the powers that be, not the powers he believes should be. All that aside, it's still pretty dickish behavior on his part. |
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This would make sense if the recourse his own ideology dictates to be the correct one were not available or would put him at a competitive disadvantage. That's not the case. It's also the case that he doesn't need to acquire the site name and resources at all, which would also be consistent with his ideology.
He's chosen of his own volition to take a course which is inconsistent with his political positions even though courses which are consistent are not only available, but competitive. |
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Circled nothing is still nothing. "Nothing will stop the U.S. from being a world leader, not even a handful of adults who want their kids to take science lessons from a book that mentions unicorns six times." -UNLoVedRebel Mumpsimus: a stubborn person who insists on making an error in spite of being shown that it is wrong |
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Do libertarians believe that they have intellectual property rights to their own names? If so, then this is not exactly inconsistent with his libertarian beliefs that he should "own" ronpaul.com.
However, appealing to the UN does not make any sense, especially if he doesn't believe it should exist. The "kings law" example given above would work, if the owners were not also Americans. Considering that Ron Paul and the owners of ronpaul.com are both Americans, Ron Paul should be appealing to the U.S for his property rights, under American law. Not the UN, as this is not their jurisdiction. |
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The UN angle is a side hahaha. theprestige's "king's law" example follows but the juxtaposition of Paul appealing to his hated UN creates interesting optics to say the least.
The bigger issue is what tyr_13 points out - the owners of ronpaul dotcom have been running that site for several years. There's no way that thru the course of not one but two presidential campaigns, as well as three congressional runs, he was unaware that it existed. The owners have invested their money, time and expertise building the domain into a valuable property and instead of adhering to the free market principles he espouses and negotiating a fair market value to purchase that property, he's gone whining to an international bureaucracy to confiscate it for him. Hypocrite. |
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Senior Wrangler
Join Date: Jun 2006
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That's odd. I always thought Libertarianism was about "I'm gonna get as much of mine as the law allows, and **** you." Which makes both ronpaul.com and Paul excellent Libertarians, as well as showing a perfect example of why there are no libertopian governments right now; nobody can agree on which "you" is going to get ******.
ETA: Oh, also, WRT the article:
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Crone of War
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That is awesome. The best thing that would happen now, would be that the Ronpaul.com get alienated by Ron Paul and turn the site into an anti-Ron Paul site. One can only hope. ![]() Edit: LMAO, that just might happen after all. A comment wrote:
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curi0us: "Many kids grow up in environments where if the worse thing they had to deal with was a pervy gym teacher wanting to **** them they would considere themselves to be privileged and living the good life." |
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Master Poster
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Outstanding.
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Illuminator
Join Date: Feb 2007
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Look at the very first sentence of the article:
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No, he let the people running the site promote him and his ideas at no cost to him or his campaign(s), and when he was no longer going to run for office again he decided to lay claim to the address and pay the people who've worked hard on it for him nothing for their trouble. If I owned the address(es), I'd find some thus-far-anonymous schlub also named Ron Paul (there must be a few of them), and hand them over to him while giving Pseudolibertarian Ron Paul the finger. ETA: I'd be very surprised if his request went anywhere considering that one of the offers made to him was beyond fair - giving him ronpaul.org free of charge. |
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Illuminator
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Honestly, I think this is where they have a problem. If they are in fact turning a profit, he has a case (not before the UN, mind you, but he can sue in US court). If they can prove all their money covers operating expenses or to RP's campaign, he's got nothing. Of course, RP is still a hypocrite. They offered to sell it to him and he also could have sued them in a US court. Instead, he went right to the UN. |
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Penultimate Amazing
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Not directly relevant to this particular episode, but it's still my favorite Ron Paul-themed link:
"I'll haunt your prostate!" |
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"As long as it is admitted that the law may be diverted from its true purpose -- that it may violate property instead of protecting it -- then everyone will want to participate in making the law, either to protect himself against plunder or to use it for plunder. Political questions will always be prejudicial, dominant, and all-absorbing. There will be fighting at the door of the Legislative Palace, and the struggle within will be no less furious." - Bastiat, The Law |
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