Madonna sued in Russia for supporting gay rights

Puppycow · 19th August 2012, 03:23 PM

Activists are demanding damages of nearly $10.5 million, claiming they were offended by her St. Petersburg concert.

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A group of Russian activists are demanding 333 million rubles, or nearly $10.5 million, in damages from Madonna, saying they were offended by her Aug. 9 concert in St. Petersburg, when she showed support for gay rights. While Russia as a whole isn’t exactly gay friendly, the anti-gay sentiment is particularly strong in St. Petersburg, where a law passed earlier tis year that makes it illegal to “promote” homosexuality to minors, points out the Associated Press.

The lawyer representing the activists told Russia’s RIA Novosti news agency that a total of nine people filed lawsuits demanding compensation for “moral damages” due to Madonna's “open promotion of homosexuality.” Not all of those who filed suit attended the concert, but they “saw media reports,” according to the lawyer.

Russia.

We need this kind of stuff to remind us to appreciate the freedom we have here.

TragicMonkey · 19th August 2012, 03:47 PM

It's like modern Russia is trying to make the Soviets look good by comparison.

Morrigan · 19th August 2012, 04:18 PM

They should sue her for making such horrible music instead.

Ahem, sorry, yeah, Russia is backwards. Wow.

Joey McGee · 19th August 2012, 04:48 PM

Gee, in America you can get a court hearing when you sue Puff Daddy for 900 billion dollars for knocking down the World Trade Center, and get similar articles printed. So, the question is how long before it's tossed...

The law outlawing "promoting homosexuality to minors" is surely wrong and stupid though.

Beerina · 19th August 2012, 04:50 PM

Kasparov just got arrested again for, among other things, supporting them.

FramerDave · 19th August 2012, 05:50 PM

Never thought I'd be nostalgic for the good old days of the USSR.

Skeptic Ginger · 19th August 2012, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

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We need this kind of stuff to remind us to appreciate the freedom we have here.

And to remind us the US isn't the only country with bizarre &/or frivolous lawsuits.

Ryokan · 19th August 2012, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

And to remind us the US isn't the only country with bizarre &/or frivolous lawsuits.

At least she didn't show half a second of half a tit on tv. Imagine the trouble that would've come out of that!

WildCat · 19th August 2012, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

At least she didn't show half a second of half a tit on tv. Imagine the trouble that would've come out of that!

Janet Jackson wasn't charged, fined, or sued over that incident.

Ryokan · 19th August 2012, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

Janet Jackson wasn't charged, fined, or sued over that incident.

Madonna hasn't been charged or fined, and Janet Jackson was sued.

Want to try again?

WildCat · 19th August 2012, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

Madonna hasn't been charged or fined, and Janet Jackson was sued.

Want to try again?

And Puff Daddy was sued for the 9/11 attacks.

I think the Madonna lawsuit will have more legs, actual lawyers filed it not a lone batguano crazy nut with enough money for the filing fee.

Ryokan · 19th August 2012, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by WildCat

And Puff Daddy was sued for the 9/11 attacks.

I think the Madonna lawsuit will have more legs, actual lawyers filed it not a lone batguano crazy nut with enough money for the filing fee.

Hey, I was just aiming at the goal posts you set up. I didn't know you were going to move them.

WildCat · 19th August 2012, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

Hey, I was just aiming at the goal posts you set up. I didn't know you were going to move them.

Fair enough.

Arcade22 · 19th August 2012, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

It's like modern Russia is trying to make the Soviets look good by comparison.

Yeah, because male homosexual sex was illegal in the soviet union but is legal in the Russian Federation...

wait a second...

TragicMonkey · 19th August 2012, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Arcade22

Yeah, because male homosexual sex was illegal in the soviet union but is legal in the Russian Federation...

wait a second...

I was actually speaking generally of Russia's amazing backwardness. In my youth, they were a superpower! Mighty! Feared! Technologically advanced! Today they're imprisoning girl bands for being rude in churches, and trying to sue Madonna. The Soviets were evil, but they were serious. This Russia? It's a joke.

NoahFence · 19th August 2012, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Activists are demanding damages of nearly $10.5 million, claiming they were offended by her St. Petersburg concert.

Russia.

We need this kind of stuff to remind us to appreciate the freedom we have here.

No kidding. Virtually all of the people whining about their ”rights to free speech” really need to learn what the 1st Amendment really says.

ponderingturtle · 20th August 2012, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I was actually speaking generally of Russia's amazing backwardness. In my youth, they were a superpower! Mighty! Feared! Technologically advanced! Today they're imprisoning girl bands for being rude in churches, and trying to sue Madonna. The Soviets were evil, but they were serious. This Russia? It's a joke.

And look at the way they assassinate dissenters, in the old days you had umbrella guns, now it is radioactive sushi.

Ok both those are pretty cool.

Dave Rogers · 20th August 2012, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

At least she didn't show half a second of half a tit on tv. Imagine the trouble that would've come out of that!

To be fair, I can see how that might be seen as promotion of homosexuality.

Dave

I Ratant · 20th August 2012, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I was actually speaking generally of Russia's amazing backwardness. In my youth, they were a superpower! Mighty! Feared! Technologically advanced! Today they're imprisoning girl bands for being rude in churches, and trying to sue Madonna. The Soviets were evil, but they were serious. This Russia? It's a joke.

.
That old fearsome Russia wasn't all that much of a thing to be feared.
A lot of their weaponry was (and is) just junk.
SAC was flying formations of B-47s over the SU without any effective response before Powers.
The occasional encounter was just bad luck.

Alt+F4 · 20th August 2012, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Ryokan

At least she didn't show half a second of half a tit on tv. Imagine the trouble that would've come out of that!

Indeed. Who would want to see that saggy bag of sand? Personally, I'd be very offended. Show me good boobs, or none!

Dcdrac · 20th August 2012, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by I Ratant

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That old fearsome Russia wasn't all that much of a thing to be feared.
A lot of their weaponry was (and is) just junk.
SAC was flying formations of B-47s over the SU without any effective response before Powers.
The occasional encounter was just bad luck.

Lets not forget mathias Rust flew his Cessna all the way to Red Square

Toontown · 20th August 2012, 12:14 PM

They're just doing what Russians do - trying to get money any way they can. If being "offended" by Madonna gives them a shot at a chunk of Madonna's millions, they're going to take it.

Hey, they tried seizing the world and turning the "capitalists" upside down and shaking them, but that turned out to be more expensive than profitable. All in all, I think suing celebrities who "offend" them is an improvement.

Madonna, for her part, would be well advised to stay out of Russia. The dumb bitch.

Joey McGee · 20th August 2012, 09:29 PM

Toontown wins

Well when the culture teaches you that if you're not ripping someone off you're not an independant man what can be done

Tsukasa Buddha · 20th August 2012, 10:45 PM

To defend my Comrades, homosexuality was quite openly accepted in Russia for a long time. Under Peter the Great they started regulating military homosexuality, and then in 1832 they criminalised it entirely. Homosexuality was legalised after the 1917 Revolution (Russia only). Stalin criminalised it again in 1933. That law was then repealed in 1993.

So they are really backwardly forwardly backwardly forward. I think.

ponderingturtle · 21st August 2012, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha

To defend my Comrades, homosexuality was quite openly accepted in Russia for a long time. Under Peter the Great they started regulating military homosexuality, and then in 1832 they criminalised it entirely. Homosexuality was legalised after the 1917 Revolution (Russia only). Stalin criminalised it again in 1933. That law was then repealed in 1993.

So they are really backwardly forwardly backwardly forward. I think.

So what 10 years ahead of america? 1993 is well before Lawrence v Texas.

Beerina · 21st August 2012, 04:31 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

It's like modern Russia is trying to make the Soviets look good by comparison.

I hope that power-hungry politicians swapping "Worship the people as god, and do what I say to achieve this" with "Worship god as god, and do what I say to achieve this" isn't lost on anyone.

Megalodon · 21st August 2012, 09:38 AM

Russia went from communism to fascism. Looking at the political spectrum as a circle, it was just a small step to the side.

And according to my wife, who grew up in the Soviet Union, life is much worse in Russia now than then.

Alt+F4 · 21st August 2012, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Megalodon

Russia went from communism to fascism. Looking at the political spectrum as a circle, it was just a small step to the side.

And according to my wife, who grew up in the Soviet Union, life is much worse in Russia now than then.

You are correct. Now how long will it take to go from fascism to democracy?

dudalb · 21st August 2012, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

It's like modern Russia is trying to make the Soviets look good by comparison.

Sadly, Russia has become a ultimate example of New Boss,same as the Old Boss.

dudalb · 21st August 2012, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

You are correct. Now how long will it take to go from fascism to democracy?

If history holds, about 70 years......
And I would be that Democracy won't last too long either.....

Alt+F4 · 21st August 2012, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

If history holds, about 70 years......
And I would be that Democracy won't last too long either.....

Democracy is the only political system that has ever worked in the long term. Democracies don't go to war with each other. The only future for humans is worldwide democracy. Everything else has been a failure.

Kathi2010 · 28th August 2012, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Toontown

They're just doing what Russians do - trying to get money any way they can. If being "offended" by Madonna gives them a shot at a chunk of Madonna's millions, they're going to take it.

I just going to sit back and watch them try to collect if they win.

Kathi

AvalonXQ · 28th August 2012, 07:15 AM

In post-Soviet Russia, gay oppresses you!

Polaris · 28th August 2012, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

So what 10 years ahead of america? 1993 is well before Lawrence v Texas.

They had the US beat by several years in Abolition as well. I'll grant that their civil war reinstituted slavery while America's ended it.

19th August 2012, 03:23 PM	#1
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 15,702	Madonna sued in Russia for supporting gay rights Activists are demanding damages of nearly $10.5 million, claiming they were offended by her St. Petersburg concert. Quote: A group of Russian activists are demanding 333 million rubles, or nearly $10.5 million, in damages from Madonna, saying they were offended by her Aug. 9 concert in St. Petersburg, when she showed support for gay rights. While Russia as a whole isn’t exactly gay friendly, the anti-gay sentiment is particularly strong in St. Petersburg, where a law passed earlier tis year that makes it illegal to “promote” homosexuality to minors, points out the Associated Press. The lawyer representing the activists told Russia’s RIA Novosti news agency that a total of nine people filed lawsuits demanding compensation for “moral damages” due to Madonna's “open promotion of homosexuality.” Not all of those who filed suit attended the concert, but they “saw media reports,” according to the lawyer. Russia. We need this kind of stuff to remind us to appreciate the freedom we have here.
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19th August 2012, 05:56 PM	#8
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,171	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger And to remind us the US isn't the only country with bizarre &/or frivolous lawsuits. At least she didn't show half a second of half a tit on tv. Imagine the trouble that would've come out of that!

19th August 2012, 05:59 PM	#9
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,978	Originally Posted by Ryokan At least she didn't show half a second of half a tit on tv. Imagine the trouble that would've come out of that! Janet Jackson wasn't charged, fined, or sued over that incident.

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Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,171	Originally Posted by WildCat Janet Jackson wasn't charged, fined, or sued over that incident. Madonna hasn't been charged or fined, and Janet Jackson was sued. Want to try again?

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WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,978	Originally Posted by Ryokan Madonna hasn't been charged or fined, and Janet Jackson was sued. Want to try again? And Puff Daddy was sued for the 9/11 attacks. I think the Madonna lawsuit will have more legs, actual lawyers filed it not a lone batguano crazy nut with enough money for the filing fee.

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Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 8,171	Originally Posted by WildCat And Puff Daddy was sued for the 9/11 attacks. I think the Madonna lawsuit will have more legs, actual lawyers filed it not a lone batguano crazy nut with enough money for the filing fee. Hey, I was just aiming at the goal posts you set up. I didn't know you were going to move them.

19th August 2012, 06:37 PM	#13
WildCat NWO Master Conspirator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Albany Park, Chicago Posts: 48,978	Originally Posted by Ryokan Hey, I was just aiming at the goal posts you set up. I didn't know you were going to move them. Fair enough.

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NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 9,293	Originally Posted by Puppycow Activists are demanding damages of nearly $10.5 million, claiming they were offended by her St. Petersburg concert. Russia. We need this kind of stuff to remind us to appreciate the freedom we have here. No kidding. Virtually all of the people whining about their ”rights to free speech” really need to learn what the 1st Amendment really says.
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I Ratant Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 15,305	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I was actually speaking generally of Russia's amazing backwardness. In my youth, they were a superpower! Mighty! Feared! Technologically advanced! Today they're imprisoning girl bands for being rude in churches, and trying to sue Madonna. The Soviets were evil, but they were serious. This Russia? It's a joke. . That old fearsome Russia wasn't all that much of a thing to be feared. A lot of their weaponry was (and is) just junk. SAC was flying formations of B-47s over the SU without any effective response before Powers. The occasional encounter was just bad luck.

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Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 9,770	Originally Posted by Ryokan At least she didn't show half a second of half a tit on tv. Imagine the trouble that would've come out of that! Indeed. Who would want to see that saggy bag of sand? Personally, I'd be very offended. Show me good boobs, or none!
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Dcdrac Illuminator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,661	Originally Posted by I Ratant . That old fearsome Russia wasn't all that much of a thing to be feared. A lot of their weaponry was (and is) just junk. SAC was flying formations of B-47s over the SU without any effective response before Powers. The occasional encounter was just bad luck. Lets not forget mathias Rust flew his Cessna all the way to Red Square
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20th August 2012, 12:14 PM	#22
Toontown Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 3,555	They're just doing what Russians do - trying to get money any way they can. If being "offended" by Madonna gives them a shot at a chunk of Madonna's millions, they're going to take it. Hey, they tried seizing the world and turning the "capitalists" upside down and shaking them, but that turned out to be more expensive than profitable. All in all, I think suing celebrities who "offend" them is an improvement. Madonna, for her part, would be well advised to stay out of Russia. The dumb bitch.
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Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 9,770	Originally Posted by Megalodon Russia went from communism to fascism. Looking at the political spectrum as a circle, it was just a small step to the side. And according to my wife, who grew up in the Soviet Union, life is much worse in Russia now than then. You are correct. Now how long will it take to go from fascism to democracy?
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21st August 2012, 10:46 AM	#29
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,782	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey It's like modern Russia is trying to make the Soviets look good by comparison. Sadly, Russia has become a ultimate example of New Boss,same as the Old Boss.

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dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 22,782	Originally Posted by Alt+F4 You are correct. Now how long will it take to go from fascism to democracy? If history holds, about 70 years...... And I would be that Democracy won't last too long either.....

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Alt+F4 diabolical globalist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Department of Abandoned Places Posts: 9,770	Originally Posted by dudalb If history holds, about 70 years...... And I would be that Democracy won't last too long either..... Democracy is the only political system that has ever worked in the long term. Democracies don't go to war with each other. The only future for humans is worldwide democracy. Everything else has been a failure.
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28th August 2012, 06:48 AM	#32
Kathi2010 New Blood Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Buckle of the Bible Belt - also known as Oklahoma. Posts: 23	Originally Posted by Toontown They're just doing what Russians do - trying to get money any way they can. If being "offended" by Madonna gives them a shot at a chunk of Madonna's millions, they're going to take it. I just going to sit back and watch them try to collect if they win. Kathi

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28th August 2012, 08:23 AM	#34
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,167	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle So what 10 years ahead of america? 1993 is well before Lawrence v Texas. They had the US beat by several years in Abolition as well. I'll grant that their civil war reinstituted slavery while America's ended it.
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