Bigsploitation: The Making and Selling of Bigfoot - Page 13

Jodie · 1st January 2013, 02:10 PM

I know of this person, we have a mutual acquaintance, and I had heard about this about a year ago. I was wondering when this would pop up again, but had no idea a clothing line was in the works.......Sasquatch Wildwear, hummm, people make big bucks on QVC and HSN for stuff like this. Melba could become a brand just like the Kardashians.

http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/12...etchum_31.html

HarryHenderson · 1st January 2013, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by Jodie

<brevity obliteration>...
http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/12...etchum_31.html

Yet another perfect example of what Bigfoot really is. I'm not sure how anyone could still think it's about an animal.

River · 2nd January 2013, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by HarryHenderson

Yet another perfect example of what Bigfoot really is. I'm not sure how anyone could still think it's about an animal.

Because some are heavily (emotionally) invested in the real animal claim. For some, it's all about winning the argument, or about not losing. (example: mulder) The facts will be cherry picked, and special pleading along with confirmation bias. You cannot convince some of these people with facts, or otherwise. They want to believe so badly, they will bypass critical thinking, and even point the finger at those who do use it, claiming "theyre not open to the facts" or that they "aren't looking at the evidence". Many of them feel that the current "evidence" for bigfoot is substantial and should be enough to further fund and protect these alleged creatures.

It is absolutely a fanatical situation. Bigfoot MUST exist at all costs!! Otherwise, the fantasy is gone.

The above describes the suckers. The pros are in it for the cash. They do not believe.

Kilaak Kommander · 2nd January 2013, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by River

For some, it's all about winning the argument, or about not losing.

Is there a psychological term for that personality trait?

You see it in a lot of top (and not so top) 'footers... the unwillingness to concede any point. I think it keeps the Bigfoot machine turning. The media puts out a lot of pro-Bigfoot content. A curious newbie is probably more likely to get their information from BFRO than from JREF. Some of those folks will be unwilling to accept that they've been duped, and there's your next generation of 'footers.

GT/CS · 2nd January 2013, 12:13 PM

I'm so tempted to replace 'footer' with 'republican' all through your post but I know that's against the rules!

AttorneyTom · 2nd January 2013, 04:25 PM

Yes.. dont break the rules !)

Narcissism comes to mind ??

GT/CS · 2nd January 2013, 04:39 PM

What????

AttorneyTom · 2nd January 2013, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by GT/CS

What????

Narcissistic Personality Disorder would seem to fit a person that argues or believes beyond all logic and factual evidence ? Just a thought.. it is not about the Foot it is all about Them so they cannot be wrong ? It would destroy or alter their system of "values" and self esteem. Or maybe those folks are just stubborn ignorant people ? What do I know ?

Just a thought..

It is like being a Cleveland Browns Fan ?... but not quite...

RedRatSnake · 2nd January 2013, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by River

Because some are heavily (emotionally) invested in the real animal claim. For some, it's all about winning the argument, or about not losing. (example: mulder) The facts will be cherry picked, and special pleading along with confirmation bias. You cannot convince some of these people with facts, or otherwise. They want to believe so badly, they will bypass critical thinking, and even point the finger at those who do use it, claiming "theyre not open to the facts" or that they "aren't looking at the evidence". Many of them feel that the current "evidence" for bigfoot is substantial and should be enough to further fund and protect these alleged creatures.

It is absolutely a fanatical situation. Bigfoot MUST exist at all costs!! Otherwise, the fantasy is gone.

The above describes the suckers. The pros are in it for the cash. They do not believe.

River! Your breaking the rule and letting the footers know what's going on again. Knock it off ~ lol

AttorneyTom · 2nd January 2013, 05:54 PM

Rule No. 1

Never let anyone outside the Family know what you are thinking.

parnassus · 19th January 2013, 06:47 PM

Destination resort.
I think I'd prefer to be defrauded in a nicer place, a bit closer to home. Vegas, maybe.

jerrywayne · 20th January 2013, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by parnassus

Destination resort.
I think I'd prefer to be defrauded in a nicer place, a bit closer to home. Vegas, maybe.

Didn't know anyone was seeing the Yeti nowadays; that is so 1950s.

Methinks the Yeti is piggybacking on the broad shoulders (and popularity) of Bigfoot. "He's not heavy, he's my brother."

Siberia? Maybe we should send Moneymaker (Finding Yeti) a one-way ticket.

AttorneyTom · 20th January 2013, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by jerrywayne

"He's not heavy, he's my brother."

Siberia? Maybe we should send Moneymaker (Finding Yeti) a one-way ticket.

That has a certain panache and click to it. "Finding Yeti".. hmm..

Episode Two:

Renee: "Are we there Yeti ?" ( The camera scans to her left boot in a green haze of fake night goggle lights and then up to Bobo) who retorts...

Bobo: " No, not yet. There is a Yak herder just over this hill .. wait.. did you hear that ?" ( A brief green camera scan of his concerned and ponderous facial expression) (shake the camera a few times for fun)

Renee: " Hear what .. umm... " ( Green light angle hits snow and her eyes which appear red and wide).

Commercial

jerrywayne · 21st January 2013, 06:11 PM

Moneymaker on Finding Yeti : Yakity yak.

AttorneyTom · 21st January 2013, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by jerrywayne

Moneymaker on Finding Yeti : Yakity yak.

I think I just heard something !?..

next commercial break

RedRatSnake · 22nd January 2013, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by AttorneyTom

Rule No. 1

Never let anyone outside the Family know what you are thinking.

We are a family here right ? maybe dysfunctional but still here.

Tim

CORed · 23rd January 2013, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by parnassus

Destination resort.
I think I'd prefer to be defrauded in a nicer place, a bit closer to home. Vegas, maybe.

From linked article.

Quote:

However concrete evidence is, as of yet, illusive.

I think they meant "elusive" but it's more correct the way they wrote it.

Drewbot · 25th April 2013, 06:51 AM

This is the funniest Bigfoot documentary ever. Check out the narrator, he sounds like the guy from Leigh Hart's Mysterious Planet.
The Government Cover-Up of Bigfoot Documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4OXTv9cFJY

Appearance by Dr. Meldrum
There's no money in Bigfoot though.

mustbeso · 25th April 2013, 07:42 AM

Wow, I don't know how many leaps of logic ocurred in this documentry but it's a bunch. Why does the government want to cover up all evidence of bigfoot anyway? You would think that sequestration would cancel the funding at the Dept. of Bigfoot Denial and some disgruntled employee would reveal everything.

Resume · 25th April 2013, 07:53 AM

This coincides nicely with a thread over at Best Bigfoot Friends Forever concerning an infantryman that witnessed the killing of a footie-foo-foo and details the subsequent cover-up by the Army and BLM, etc. No real evidence though.

River · 25th April 2013, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by mustbeso

Wow, I don't know how many leaps of logic ocurred in this documentry but it's a bunch. Why does the government want to cover up all evidence of bigfoot anyway? You would think that sequestration would cancel the funding at the Dept. of Bigfoot Denial and some disgruntled employee would reveal everything.

Because, the bigfooters need the support in their fantasy.

It's the MIB keeping bigfoot from being discovered!! Of course...

Drewbot · 10th May 2013, 10:03 AM

A great article about finding 'Awe' without resorting to needing a Bigfoot to provide it.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...e-hell-bigfoot

Quote:

Neither I nor anyone should ever deflect you from your search for awe. But neither should anyone, whether merchant or hoaxster, send you on a contrived journey to the supernatural to find it. There's enough awe for anyone who wants it, and it lives within reach in the natural world around us.

The Shrike · 10th May 2013, 10:54 AM

"Awe has become associated with the supernatural. When did that happen?"

The awe-factor in nature was always assumed by uneducated people to be the product of the supernatural.

River · 10th May 2013, 12:22 PM

The surfeit of BS that sloshes its way through bigfootery is never ending. It will only get worse as time goes on. More hoops will have to be jumped through in order to maintain bleevership.

William Parcher · 10th May 2013, 12:23 PM

Quote:

But that's just it. Awe has become associated with the supernatural. When did that happen? Why does the real world no longer excite us? Is there nothing about it that is wonderful or "awesome?"

The author writes as if he knows that there was a time in the past when all humans got all of their excitement from the natural world in its purest realistic form. Back then imaginary monsters were worthless thoughts and nobody wasted time on them. What year was that?

Quote:

There's an area of study known as cryptozoology - the search for previously unknown life forms. It's a perfectly legitimate area of study, or it should be.

No it isn't legitimate because it's no different than ordinary zoology. Cryptozoology is essentially literature and some pictures. You study cryptid creatures in the same way you would study 18th Century vampires and zombies. You read about them.

CZ is a layperson pastime pursuit that is comprised of 99% reading. People like it because it compels mental imagery of objects scenes and scenarios. A kind of directed lucid dream. People like that sort of thing. It happens when they read novels. A world blossoms in the mind and it was created by (reading) words. We can do this at the same time that we are awed by the natural world in pure reality. A field biologist can spend a day documenting and studying local fauna and then retire to their cot in the evening to read Green's book on Bigfoot. He has not cheated himself on getting awe from the real natural world... he gets that every day. But the "Bigfoot Awe" he gets (by imagining that they exist) is in addition to all of that. The naturalist who believes in Bigfoot has Awe Awe. A simple naturalist only has Awe. Besides, you can't dictate to people what they should and should not do to get their Awe. Well, you can't expect them to always do what you tell them.

MikeG · 10th May 2013, 01:21 PM

WP, is your quote function not working properly? It is a bit disconcerting to have anonymous quotes.

William Parcher · 10th May 2013, 01:29 PM

They came from this...

Originally Posted by Drewbot

A great article about finding 'Awe' without resorting to needing a Bigfoot to provide it.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...e-hell-bigfoot

xtifr · 10th May 2013, 03:03 PM

The issue of awe vs. understanding is the topic of Richard Dawkins' too-obscure and much underrated book, Unweaving the Rainbow. From the introduction:

Originally Posted by Richard Dawkins

My title is from Keats, who believed that Newton had destroyed all the poetry of the rainbow by reducing it to prismatic colours. Keats could hardly have been more wrong, and my aim is to guide all who are tempted by a similar view to the opposite conclusion. Science is, or ought to be, the inspiration for great poetry...

Basically, a rainbow is beautiful whether or not you understand how it works, but understanding it leads to all sorts of new, exciting and beautiful discoveries about nature.

Bottom line: insisting that the woods need bigfoots to make them more cool ignores just how completely cool the woods are even without BF. It's a failure of imagination and understanding.

1st January 2013, 02:10 PM	#481
Jodie Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,909	I know of this person, we have a mutual acquaintance, and I had heard about this about a year ago. I was wondering when this would pop up again, but had no idea a clothing line was in the works.......Sasquatch Wildwear, hummm, people make big bucks on QVC and HSN for stuff like this. Melba could become a brand just like the Kardashians. http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/12...etchum_31.html
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1st January 2013, 09:59 PM	#482
HarryHenderson Muse Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: All up in your business Posts: 706	Originally Posted by Jodie <brevity obliteration>... http://www.thecryptocrew.com/2012/12...etchum_31.html Yet another perfect example of what Bigfoot really is. I'm not sure how anyone could still think it's about an animal.
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2nd January 2013, 02:35 AM	#483
River Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,662	Originally Posted by HarryHenderson Yet another perfect example of what Bigfoot really is. I'm not sure how anyone could still think it's about an animal. Because some are heavily (emotionally) invested in the real animal claim. For some, it's all about winning the argument, or about not losing. (example: mulder) The facts will be cherry picked, and special pleading along with confirmation bias. You cannot convince some of these people with facts, or otherwise. They want to believe so badly, they will bypass critical thinking, and even point the finger at those who do use it, claiming "theyre not open to the facts" or that they "aren't looking at the evidence". Many of them feel that the current "evidence" for bigfoot is substantial and should be enough to further fund and protect these alleged creatures. It is absolutely a fanatical situation. Bigfoot MUST exist at all costs!! Otherwise, the fantasy is gone. The above describes the suckers. The pros are in it for the cash. They do not believe.
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2nd January 2013, 12:13 PM	#485
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,592	I'm so tempted to replace 'footer' with 'republican' all through your post but I know that's against the rules!
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,592	__________________ SweatyYeti or Bill Munns would be my vote for looking at this - BFSleuth @ BFF I've got plenty of common sense! I just choose to ignore it. - Calvin; October 15, 1986

2nd January 2013, 04:25 PM	#486
AttorneyTom Muse Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 883	Yes.. dont break the rules !) Narcissism comes to mind ??
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2nd January 2013, 11:13 AM	#484
Kilaak Kommander Critical Thinker Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Happy Valley Posts: 316	Originally Posted by River For some, it's all about winning the argument, or about not losing. Is there a psychological term for that personality trait? You see it in a lot of top (and not so top) 'footers... the unwillingness to concede any point. I think it keeps the Bigfoot machine turning. The media puts out a lot of pro-Bigfoot content. A curious newbie is probably more likely to get their information from BFRO than from JREF. Some of those folks will be unwilling to accept that they've been duped, and there's your next generation of 'footers.

2nd January 2013, 04:39 PM	#487
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,592	What????
GT/CS Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,592	__________________ SweatyYeti or Bill Munns would be my vote for looking at this - BFSleuth @ BFF I've got plenty of common sense! I just choose to ignore it. - Calvin; October 15, 1986

2nd January 2013, 04:45 PM	#488
AttorneyTom Muse Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 883	Originally Posted by GT/CS What???? Narcissistic Personality Disorder would seem to fit a person that argues or believes beyond all logic and factual evidence ? Just a thought.. it is not about the Foot it is all about Them so they cannot be wrong ? It would destroy or alter their system of "values" and self esteem. Or maybe those folks are just stubborn ignorant people ? What do I know ? Just a thought.. It is like being a Cleveland Browns Fan ?... but not quite...
AttorneyTom Muse Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 883	Last edited by AttorneyTom; 2nd January 2013 at 04:58 PM. Reason: Just a thought...

2nd January 2013, 05:43 PM	#489
RedRatSnake Slithering Through life Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southie, Massachusetts. Posts: 1,625	Originally Posted by River Because some are heavily (emotionally) invested in the real animal claim. For some, it's all about winning the argument, or about not losing. (example: mulder) The facts will be cherry picked, and special pleading along with confirmation bias. You cannot convince some of these people with facts, or otherwise. They want to believe so badly, they will bypass critical thinking, and even point the finger at those who do use it, claiming "theyre not open to the facts" or that they "aren't looking at the evidence". Many of them feel that the current "evidence" for bigfoot is substantial and should be enough to further fund and protect these alleged creatures. It is absolutely a fanatical situation. Bigfoot MUST exist at all costs!! Otherwise, the fantasy is gone. The above describes the suckers. The pros are in it for the cash. They do not believe. River! Your breaking the rule and letting the footers know what's going on again. Knock it off ~ lol

2nd January 2013, 05:54 PM	#490
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19th January 2013, 06:47 PM	#491
parnassus Master Poster Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 2,565	Destination resort. I think I'd prefer to be defrauded in a nicer place, a bit closer to home. Vegas, maybe.
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20th January 2013, 06:24 AM	#492
jerrywayne Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 340	Originally Posted by parnassus Destination resort. I think I'd prefer to be defrauded in a nicer place, a bit closer to home. Vegas, maybe. Didn't know anyone was seeing the Yeti nowadays; that is so 1950s. Methinks the Yeti is piggybacking on the broad shoulders (and popularity) of Bigfoot. "He's not heavy, he's my brother." Siberia? Maybe we should send Moneymaker (Finding Yeti) a one-way ticket.

20th January 2013, 04:43 PM	#493
AttorneyTom Muse Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 883	Originally Posted by jerrywayne "He's not heavy, he's my brother." Siberia? Maybe we should send Moneymaker (Finding Yeti) a one-way ticket. That has a certain panache and click to it. "Finding Yeti".. hmm.. Episode Two: Renee: "Are we there Yeti ?" ( The camera scans to her left boot in a green haze of fake night goggle lights and then up to Bobo) who retorts... Bobo: " No, not yet. There is a Yak herder just over this hill .. wait.. did you hear that ?" ( A brief green camera scan of his concerned and ponderous facial expression) (shake the camera a few times for fun) Renee: " Hear what .. umm... " ( Green light angle hits snow and her eyes which appear red and wide). Commercial
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21st January 2013, 06:11 PM	#494
jerrywayne Critical Thinker Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 340	Moneymaker on Finding Yeti : Yakity yak.
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21st January 2013, 07:28 PM	#495
AttorneyTom Muse Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 883	Originally Posted by jerrywayne Moneymaker on Finding Yeti : Yakity yak. I think I just heard something !?.. next commercial break
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22nd January 2013, 07:21 PM	#496
RedRatSnake Slithering Through life Join Date: May 2008 Location: Southie, Massachusetts. Posts: 1,625	Originally Posted by AttorneyTom Rule No. 1 Never let anyone outside the Family know what you are thinking. We are a family here right ? maybe dysfunctional but still here. Tim

23rd January 2013, 08:12 AM	#497
CORed Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,291	Originally Posted by parnassus Destination resort. I think I'd prefer to be defrauded in a nicer place, a bit closer to home. Vegas, maybe. From linked article. Quote: However concrete evidence is, as of yet, illusive. I think they meant "elusive" but it's more correct the way they wrote it.
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25th April 2013, 06:51 AM	#498
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	This is the funniest Bigfoot documentary ever. Check out the narrator, he sounds like the guy from Leigh Hart's Mysterious Planet. The Government Cover-Up of Bigfoot Documentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4OXTv9cFJY Appearance by Dr. Meldrum There's no money in Bigfoot though.
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

25th April 2013, 07:42 AM	#499
mustbeso Thinker Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 126	Wow, I don't know how many leaps of logic ocurred in this documentry but it's a bunch. Why does the government want to cover up all evidence of bigfoot anyway? You would think that sequestration would cancel the funding at the Dept. of Bigfoot Denial and some disgruntled employee would reveal everything.
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25th April 2013, 07:53 AM	#500
Resume Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 8,029	This coincides nicely with a thread over at Best Bigfoot Friends Forever concerning an infantryman that witnessed the killing of a footie-foo-foo and details the subsequent cover-up by the Army and BLM, etc. No real evidence though.
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25th April 2013, 08:05 AM	#501
River Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,662	Originally Posted by mustbeso Wow, I don't know how many leaps of logic ocurred in this documentry but it's a bunch. Why does the government want to cover up all evidence of bigfoot anyway? You would think that sequestration would cancel the funding at the Dept. of Bigfoot Denial and some disgruntled employee would reveal everything. Because, the bigfooters need the support in their fantasy. It's the MIB keeping bigfoot from being discovered!! Of course...
River Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,662	__________________ “Don't believe everything you see on the Internet.” ― Abraham Lincoln

10th May 2013, 10:03 AM	#502
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	A great article about finding 'Awe' without resorting to needing a Bigfoot to provide it. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...e-hell-bigfoot Quote: Neither I nor anyone should ever deflect you from your search for awe. But neither should anyone, whether merchant or hoaxster, send you on a contrived journey to the supernatural to find it. There's enough awe for anyone who wants it, and it lives within reach in the natural world around us.
Drewbot Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,846	__________________ "I dont call that evolution, I call that the survival of the fittest." - Bulletmaker "I thought skeptics would usually point towards a hoax rather than a group being duped." - makaya325 Kit is not a skeptic. He is a former Bigfoot believer that changed his position to that of non believer.- Crowlogic

10th May 2013, 10:54 AM	#503
The Shrike Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Posts: 1,812	"Awe has become associated with the supernatural. When did that happen?" The awe-factor in nature was always assumed by uneducated people to be the product of the supernatural.

10th May 2013, 12:22 PM	#504
River Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,662	The surfeit of BS that sloshes its way through bigfootery is never ending. It will only get worse as time goes on. More hoops will have to be jumped through in order to maintain bleevership.
River Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 2,662	__________________ “Don't believe everything you see on the Internet.” ― Abraham Lincoln

10th May 2013, 12:23 PM	#505
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,508	Quote: But that's just it. Awe has become associated with the supernatural. When did that happen? Why does the real world no longer excite us? Is there nothing about it that is wonderful or "awesome?" The author writes as if he knows that there was a time in the past when all humans got all of their excitement from the natural world in its purest realistic form. Back then imaginary monsters were worthless thoughts and nobody wasted time on them. What year was that? Quote: There's an area of study known as cryptozoology - the search for previously unknown life forms. It's a perfectly legitimate area of study, or it should be. No it isn't legitimate because it's no different than ordinary zoology. Cryptozoology is essentially literature and some pictures. You study cryptid creatures in the same way you would study 18th Century vampires and zombies. You read about them. CZ is a layperson pastime pursuit that is comprised of 99% reading. People like it because it compels mental imagery of objects scenes and scenarios. A kind of directed lucid dream. People like that sort of thing. It happens when they read novels. A world blossoms in the mind and it was created by (reading) words. We can do this at the same time that we are awed by the natural world in pure reality. A field biologist can spend a day documenting and studying local fauna and then retire to their cot in the evening to read Green's book on Bigfoot. He has not cheated himself on getting awe from the real natural world... he gets that every day. But the "Bigfoot Awe" he gets (by imagining that they exist) is in addition to all of that. The naturalist who believes in Bigfoot has Awe Awe. A simple naturalist only has Awe. Besides, you can't dictate to people what they should and should not do to get their Awe. Well, you can't expect them to always do what you tell them.
	__________________ Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.

10th May 2013, 01:21 PM	#506
MikeG Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: UK Posts: 1,557	WP, is your quote function not working properly? It is a bit disconcerting to have anonymous quotes.

10th May 2013, 01:29 PM	#507
William Parcher Show me the monkey! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,508	They came from this... Originally Posted by Drewbot A great article about finding 'Awe' without resorting to needing a Bigfoot to provide it. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...e-hell-bigfoot
	__________________ Bigfoot believers and Bigfoot skeptics are both plumb crazy. Each spends more than one minute per year thinking about Bigfoot.

10th May 2013, 03:03 PM	#508
xtifr Muse Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Sol III Posts: 563	The issue of awe vs. understanding is the topic of Richard Dawkins' too-obscure and much underrated book, Unweaving the Rainbow. From the introduction: Originally Posted by Richard Dawkins My title is from Keats, who believed that Newton had destroyed all the poetry of the rainbow by reducing it to prismatic colours. Keats could hardly have been more wrong, and my aim is to guide all who are tempted by a similar view to the opposite conclusion. Science is, or ought to be, the inspiration for great poetry... Basically, a rainbow is beautiful whether or not you understand how it works, but understanding it leads to all sorts of new, exciting and beautiful discoveries about nature. Bottom line: insisting that the woods need bigfoots to make them more cool ignores just how completely cool the woods are even without BF. It's a failure of imagination and understanding.
	__________________ "Those who learn from history are doomed to watch others repeat it." -- Anonymous Slashdot poster "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore." -- James Nicoll Last edited by xtifr; 10th May 2013 at 03:03 PM. Reason: typo