Cats behind prison bars!

Agatha · 12th November 2012, 10:59 AM

http://omginformation.blogspot.co.uk...murderers.html

Not in this article, but apparently in another one about this program, is the fact that the cats would otherwise have been euthanised if they were not looked after by prisoners.

As the program appears to be helping to humanise some of the worst offenders, and there is measurably less trouble in the prison, I think this is an excellent idea.

Thoughts?

rjh01 · 12th November 2012, 12:17 PM

Similar things have been done in hospitals and probably a few other groups that are confined. Here is a link that shows what is possible http://www.seattlepi.com/lifestyle/h...ic-1220808.php

Alt+F4 · 12th November 2012, 12:23 PM

There was a large pet program at the nursing home where my dad died (no, none of the pets did it). The cats seem well taken care of, the prisoners seem calmer which makes the staff's jobs easier. I think it's a good idea.

commandlinegamer · 12th November 2012, 01:27 PM

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Niggle · 12th November 2012, 02:51 PM

There's a prison where the inmates train horses, mostly mustangs that were rounded up and would otherwise be shot. I know of another where the inmates train dogs that would otherwise be euthanized to be good canine citizens so they can be adopted.

I think this is a great idea.

Morrigan · 12th November 2012, 02:52 PM

That's a beautiful story. Thanks for sharing! Seems like a great and actually effective rehabilitation program.

Bell · 12th November 2012, 03:05 PM

Yes, thanks for sharing. Nice and touching story.

LashL · 13th November 2012, 06:21 PM

Excellent, indeed.

Let me add my "thanks for sharing this story" here, Agatha.

Meadmaker · 13th November 2012, 06:27 PM

It's about time. Those danged cats were terrorizing the place! Menace to soci....oh, I see.

Yeah, that's good, too.

But seriously, I actually am very much a cat person. As for whether or not it's a good idea, it seems like it ought to be. I can't honestly pretend to know what, if anything, would "work", but I can't think of anything bad that could happen as a result, and I can think of some good things that might happen, so count me in on cats.

BStrong · 13th November 2012, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Agatha

http://omginformation.blogspot.co.uk...murderers.html

Not in this article, but apparently in another one about this program, is the fact that the cats would otherwise have been euthanised if they were not looked after by prisoners.

As the program appears to be helping to humanise some of the worst offenders, and there is measurably less trouble in the prison, I think this is an excellent idea.

Thoughts?

I have no issue with such programs, and they seem to be wide spread and good for the inmates and the animals.

http://prisondogs.blogspot.com/

Puppycow · 14th November 2012, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

It's about time. Those danged cats were terrorizing the place! Menace to soci....oh, I see.

Yeah, that's good, too.

No, your first instinct was correct!

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/cats_actually_kill

MortFurd · 14th November 2012, 01:33 AM

Originally Posted by Alt+F4

There was a large pet program at the nursing home where my dad died (no, none of the pets did it). The cats seem well taken care of, the prisoners seem calmer which makes the staff's jobs easier. I think it's a good idea.

I hope the folks in the nursing home weren't referred to as prisoners.

MortFurd · 14th November 2012, 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

It's about time. Those danged cats were terrorizing the place! Menace to soci....oh, I see.

Yeah, that's good, too.

But seriously, I actually am very much a cat person. As for whether or not it's a good idea, it seems like it ought to be. I can't honestly pretend to know what, if anything, would "work", but I can't think of anything bad that could happen as a result, and I can think of some good things that might happen, so count me in on cats.

Hard core criminals killing cats for ***** and giggles?

Rolfe · 14th November 2012, 02:02 AM

Reading betwen the lines, I think cats are sometimes injured or killed. There was a comment that no prisoner had ever killed his own cat, which suggests that prisoners had killed other people's cats.

Life isn't perfect. Pet cats sometimes come to harm. They are killed and injured on the roads, or by predators, or in household accidents. Cats in the wider community are sometimes killed malciously - I've encountered four cases here in a fairly short space of time (One head smashed in, one kicked in the chest then hung up by the tail, one stabbed in the chest and one strangled/hanged by a ligature.)

It seems to me that this programme comes out way ahead of the game overall, and that occasional bad things happening should not automatically be seen as a reason to stop the whole thing. Indeed, the empathy and sorrow felt by a prisoner over the death of his own cat might be a further positive in the humanising process.

Rolfe.

Travis · 14th November 2012, 02:03 AM

I'm not sure if there any hard evidence for it but I know that my pets are great at getting me to moderate my emotions. When I'm sad they cheer me up. When I'm angry they get me to calm down. When I'm indolent they....uh unindolent me.

Hercules Rockefeller · 14th November 2012, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by Niggle

There's a prison where the inmates train horses, mostly mustangs that were rounded up and would otherwise be shot. I know of another where the inmates train dogs that would otherwise be euthanized to be good canine citizens so they can be adopted.

I think this is a great idea.

Louisiana Lockdown. Very interesting.

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Meadmaker · 15th November 2012, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

No, your first instinct was correct!

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/cats_actually_kill

Sneaky little critters. I knew they couldn't be trusted.

Kaylee · 15th November 2012, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Niggle

There's a prison where the inmates train horses, mostly mustangs that were rounded up and would otherwise be shot. I know of another where the inmates train dogs that would otherwise be euthanized to be good canine citizens so they can be adopted.

I think this is a great idea.

Originally Posted by BStrong

I have no issue with such programs, and they seem to be wide spread and good for the inmates and the animals.

http://prisondogs.blogspot.com/

NY has a similar program:

http://www.puppiesbehindbars.com/faq.asp

These puppies spend the first 18 months of their lives being raised and trained by prisoners. They also spend weekends in volunteer's homes and communities to increase their exposure to different kinds of environments. They then get additional training before becoming service dogs for the disabled, or explosive detection canines for law enforcement.

12th November 2012, 10:59 AM	#1
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12th November 2012, 02:52 PM	#6
Morrigan Crone of War Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 6,879	That's a beautiful story. Thanks for sharing! Seems like a great and actually effective rehabilitation program.
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Bell beautiful freak Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 20,486	Yes, thanks for sharing. Nice and touching story.
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LashL Goddess of Legaltainment™ Administrator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 26,239	Excellent, indeed. Let me add my "thanks for sharing this story" here, Agatha.

13th November 2012, 06:27 PM	#9
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Detroit suburbs Posts: 11,454	It's about time. Those danged cats were terrorizing the place! Menace to soci....oh, I see. Yeah, that's good, too. But seriously, I actually am very much a cat person. As for whether or not it's a good idea, it seems like it ought to be. I can't honestly pretend to know what, if anything, would "work", but I can't think of anything bad that could happen as a result, and I can think of some good things that might happen, so count me in on cats.
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13th November 2012, 07:00 PM	#10
BStrong Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: California Posts: 3,820	Originally Posted by Agatha http://omginformation.blogspot.co.uk...murderers.html Not in this article, but apparently in another one about this program, is the fact that the cats would otherwise have been euthanised if they were not looked after by prisoners. As the program appears to be helping to humanise some of the worst offenders, and there is measurably less trouble in the prison, I think this is an excellent idea. Thoughts? I have no issue with such programs, and they seem to be wide spread and good for the inmates and the animals. http://prisondogs.blogspot.com/

14th November 2012, 12:47 AM	#11
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Japan Posts: 15,784	Originally Posted by Meadmaker It's about time. Those danged cats were terrorizing the place! Menace to soci....oh, I see. Yeah, that's good, too. No, your first instinct was correct! http://theoatmeal.com/comics/cats_actually_kill
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14th November 2012, 01:33 AM	#12
MortFurd Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: An American in Germany Posts: 1,975	Originally Posted by Alt+F4 There was a large pet program at the nursing home where my dad died (no, none of the pets did it). The cats seem well taken care of, the prisoners seem calmer which makes the staff's jobs easier. I think it's a good idea. I hope the folks in the nursing home weren't referred to as prisoners.
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MortFurd Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: An American in Germany Posts: 1,975	Originally Posted by Meadmaker It's about time. Those danged cats were terrorizing the place! Menace to soci....oh, I see. Yeah, that's good, too. But seriously, I actually am very much a cat person. As for whether or not it's a good idea, it seems like it ought to be. I can't honestly pretend to know what, if anything, would "work", but I can't think of anything bad that could happen as a result, and I can think of some good things that might happen, so count me in on cats. Hard core criminals killing cats for ***** and giggles?
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14th November 2012, 02:02 AM	#14
Rolfe Anti-homeopathy illuminati member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 34,340	Reading betwen the lines, I think cats are sometimes injured or killed. There was a comment that no prisoner had ever killed his own cat, which suggests that prisoners had killed other people's cats. Life isn't perfect. Pet cats sometimes come to harm. They are killed and injured on the roads, or by predators, or in household accidents. Cats in the wider community are sometimes killed malciously - I've encountered four cases here in a fairly short space of time (One head smashed in, one kicked in the chest then hung up by the tail, one stabbed in the chest and one strangled/hanged by a ligature.) It seems to me that this programme comes out way ahead of the game overall, and that occasional bad things happening should not automatically be seen as a reason to stop the whole thing. Indeed, the empathy and sorrow felt by a prisoner over the death of his own cat might be a further positive in the humanising process. Rolfe.
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Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 17,954	I'm not sure if there any hard evidence for it but I know that my pets are great at getting me to moderate my emotions. When I'm sad they cheer me up. When I'm angry they get me to calm down. When I'm indolent they....uh unindolent me.
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Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Detroit suburbs Posts: 11,454	Originally Posted by Puppycow No, your first instinct was correct! http://theoatmeal.com/comics/cats_actually_kill Sneaky little critters. I knew they couldn't be trusted.
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15th November 2012, 03:38 PM	#18
Kaylee Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,838	Originally Posted by Niggle There's a prison where the inmates train horses, mostly mustangs that were rounded up and would otherwise be shot. I know of another where the inmates train dogs that would otherwise be euthanized to be good canine citizens so they can be adopted. I think this is a great idea. Originally Posted by BStrong I have no issue with such programs, and they seem to be wide spread and good for the inmates and the animals. http://prisondogs.blogspot.com/ NY has a similar program: http://www.puppiesbehindbars.com/faq.asp These puppies spend the first 18 months of their lives being raised and trained by prisoners. They also spend weekends in volunteer's homes and communities to increase their exposure to different kinds of environments. They then get additional training before becoming service dogs for the disabled, or explosive detection canines for law enforcement.
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