More biblical morality - Page 2

dafydd · 15th June 2012, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

And one of the most famous of the Psalms. Which you have taken out of context to create outrage. Why don't you post the rest of Psalms 137 and we see what happens

The same thing happens.

dafydd · 15th June 2012, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Multivac

Surely an advanced entity like a god, would be more compasionate and less of a psychopath.

The culture that invented him was a primitive one.

Seismosaurus · 15th June 2012, 12:24 PM

I genuinely don't get how this becomes a good thing in any context.

Seriously, somebody tell me the context. Give me the argument that ends in the words "... and that's why I wish I could smash their babies heads on the rocks."

Because I'd like to hear that argument. I really would.

keale · 15th June 2012, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Seismosaurus

I genuinely don't get how this becomes a good thing in any context.

Seriously, somebody tell me the context. Give me the argument that ends in the words "... and that's why I wish I could smash their babies heads on the rocks."

Because I'd like to hear that argument. I really would.

There is no context that makes this a good thing. The early Jewish tribes were bloodthirsty barbarians worshiping a tyrant god.

sphenisc · 15th June 2012, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Seismosaurus

I genuinely don't get how this becomes a good thing in any context.

Seriously, somebody tell me the context. Give me the argument that ends in the words "... and that's why I wish I could smash their babies heads on the rocks."

Because I'd like to hear that argument. I really would.

I've got two Alien queens and landslide that I need to dissolve...

dafydd · 15th June 2012, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by keale

There is no context that makes this a good thing. The early Jewish tribes were bloodthirsty barbarians worshiping a tyrant god.

Why did they invent such an evil god?

Silly Green Monkey · 15th June 2012, 05:23 PM

Why was Molech invented, who demanded sacrifice of children burned alive? Canaan was a vicious place.

dafydd · 15th June 2012, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey

Why was Molech invented, who demanded sacrifice of children burned alive? Canaan was a vicious place.

They didn't have horror movies in those days, so that had to do.

yomero · 15th June 2012, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by MG1962

Well the Babylonians virtually tried to pull a genocide on the Israelites, so I can understand the venom in the line....

Genocide can never be justified, I'm not advocating killing the ancient Israelites. But if the Babylonians had managed to stamp out the Israelites' pernicious religion, today we would have no Judaism, no Christianity, and probably no Islam.

pakeha · 16th June 2012, 02:14 AM

Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey

Why was Molech invented, who demanded sacrifice of children burned alive? Canaan was a vicious place.

Hmmm.
And your source for that information about Moloch's demands is...?

I ask because I live in a country where leaping through a bonfire at the summer solstice for 'purification' from bad luck is still popularly practised.
As is fire-walking.

And yes, I leaped the bonfire myself.
Pascal's wager, you know.

Itztli · 16th June 2012, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by Seismosaurus

Seriously, somebody tell me the context. Give me the argument that ends in the words "... and that's why I wish I could smash their babies heads on the rocks."

There's not enough food for all of us, so if I want my children to survive, the others must be killed, and that's why I wish I could smash their babies heads on the rocks.

calebprime · 16th June 2012, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by keale

...

Psalm 137 (New International Version)

1 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
when we remembered Zion.
2 There on the poplars
we hung our harps,
3 for there our captors asked us for songs,
our tormentors demanded songs of joy;
they said, “Sing us one of the songs of Zion!”

4 How can we sing the songs of the Lord
while in a foreign land?
5 If I forget you, Jerusalem,
may my right hand forget its skill.
6 May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth
if I do not remember you,
if I do not consider Jerusalem
my highest joy.

7 Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did
on the day Jerusalem fell.
“Tear it down,” they cried,
“tear it down to its foundations!”
8 Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is the one who repays you
according to what you have done to us.
9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks.

...

Damn, that's a kick-ass poem. Sometimes, I, too, want sweet, sweet revenge.

(eta: my post *not* directed at you, keale. I'm just quoting the poem.)

Craig B · 16th June 2012, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by calebprime

Damn, that's a kick-ass poem. Sometimes, I, too, want sweet, sweet revenge.

So if you're ever offered the job of being God of a universe, don't take it. You don't have the right temperament.

Seismosaurus · 17th June 2012, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Itztli

There's not enough food for all of us, so if I want my children to survive, the others must be killed, and that's why I wish I could smash their babies heads on the rocks.

Newp, doesn't work for me. You're evil.

15th June 2012, 12:15 PM	#41
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,466	Originally Posted by MG1962 And one of the most famous of the Psalms. Which you have taken out of context to create outrage. Why don't you post the rest of Psalms 137 and we see what happens The same thing happens.
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15th June 2012, 12:18 PM	#42
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,466	Originally Posted by Multivac Surely an advanced entity like a god, would be more compasionate and less of a psychopath. The culture that invented him was a primitive one.
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15th June 2012, 12:24 PM	#43
Seismosaurus Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Banbury Posts: 3,543	I genuinely don't get how this becomes a good thing in any context. Seriously, somebody tell me the context. Give me the argument that ends in the words "... and that's why I wish I could smash their babies heads on the rocks." Because I'd like to hear that argument. I really would.
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15th June 2012, 01:37 PM	#44
keale Muse Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 813	Originally Posted by Seismosaurus I genuinely don't get how this becomes a good thing in any context. Seriously, somebody tell me the context. Give me the argument that ends in the words "... and that's why I wish I could smash their babies heads on the rocks." Because I'd like to hear that argument. I really would. There is no context that makes this a good thing. The early Jewish tribes were bloodthirsty barbarians worshiping a tyrant god.
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15th June 2012, 01:43 PM	#45
sphenisc Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,749	Originally Posted by Seismosaurus I genuinely don't get how this becomes a good thing in any context. Seriously, somebody tell me the context. Give me the argument that ends in the words "... and that's why I wish I could smash their babies heads on the rocks." Because I'd like to hear that argument. I really would. I've got two Alien queens and landslide that I need to dissolve...
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15th June 2012, 04:12 PM	#46
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,466	Originally Posted by keale There is no context that makes this a good thing. The early Jewish tribes were bloodthirsty barbarians worshiping a tyrant god. Why did they invent such an evil god?
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15th June 2012, 05:23 PM	#47
Silly Green Monkey Cowardly Lurking in the Shadows of Greatness Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,046	Why was Molech invented, who demanded sacrifice of children burned alive? Canaan was a vicious place.

15th June 2012, 05:32 PM	#48
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,466	Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey Why was Molech invented, who demanded sacrifice of children burned alive? Canaan was a vicious place. They didn't have horror movies in those days, so that had to do.
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15th June 2012, 06:52 PM	#49
yomero Muse Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: North of here South of there Posts: 931	Originally Posted by MG1962 Well the Babylonians virtually tried to pull a genocide on the Israelites, so I can understand the venom in the line.... Genocide can never be justified, I'm not advocating killing the ancient Israelites. But if the Babylonians had managed to stamp out the Israelites' pernicious religion, today we would have no Judaism, no Christianity, and probably no Islam.
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16th June 2012, 02:14 AM	#50
pakeha Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 7,991	Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey Why was Molech invented, who demanded sacrifice of children burned alive? Canaan was a vicious place. Hmmm. And your source for that information about Moloch's demands is...? I ask because I live in a country where leaping through a bonfire at the summer solstice for 'purification' from bad luck is still popularly practised. As is fire-walking. And yes, I leaped the bonfire myself. Pascal's wager, you know.
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16th June 2012, 02:32 AM	#51
Itztli Scholar Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 80	Originally Posted by Seismosaurus Seriously, somebody tell me the context. Give me the argument that ends in the words "... and that's why I wish I could smash their babies heads on the rocks." There's not enough food for all of us, so if I want my children to survive, the others must be killed, and that's why I wish I could smash their babies heads on the rocks.
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16th June 2012, 09:23 AM	#52
calebprime Somewhat Elitist Parasite Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 7,754	Originally Posted by keale ... Psalm 137 (New International Version) 1 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept when we remembered Zion. 2 There on the poplars we hung our harps, 3 for there our captors asked us for songs, our tormentors demanded songs of joy; they said, “Sing us one of the songs of Zion!” 4 How can we sing the songs of the Lord while in a foreign land? 5 If I forget you, Jerusalem, may my right hand forget its skill. 6 May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth if I do not remember you, if I do not consider Jerusalem my highest joy. 7 Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did on the day Jerusalem fell. “Tear it down,” they cried, “tear it down to its foundations!” 8 Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is the one who repays you according to what you have done to us. 9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks. ... Damn, that's a kick-ass poem. Sometimes, I, too, want sweet, sweet revenge. (eta: my post not directed at you, keale. I'm just quoting the poem.)
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16th June 2012, 09:27 AM	#53
Craig B Illuminator Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,931	Originally Posted by calebprime Damn, that's a kick-ass poem. Sometimes, I, too, want sweet, sweet revenge. So if you're ever offered the job of being God of a universe, don't take it. You don't have the right temperament.
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17th June 2012, 11:57 AM	#54
Seismosaurus Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Banbury Posts: 3,543	Originally Posted by Itztli There's not enough food for all of us, so if I want my children to survive, the others must be killed, and that's why I wish I could smash their babies heads on the rocks. Newp, doesn't work for me. You're evil.
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