How prevalent are the believers of the Ancient Alient "hypothesis"? - Page 2

aggle-rithm · 30th January 2013, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by NetPen

While that explanation may not be really related to the thread discussion, which is about the popularity of this fad itself, I just wanted to re-express my criticisms of one part of it as well as sharpen my critical thinking.

I think the fad makes people feel better about themselves by diminishing the brilliance of the "primitive" people who constructed some of the ancient engineering wonders.

HAD to be aliens! History has shown that savages can't put two sticks together unless someone with lighter-colored skin is helping them. And it doesn't get much lighter than alien skin.

The Shrike · 30th January 2013, 06:25 AM

^Agreed, there's some deep-seated racism at the heart of a lot of ancient aliens bollocks.

Zeuzzz · 30th January 2013, 06:45 AM

I think a lot of people just fail to realize how intelligent and advanced some previous ancient civilizations were. Maybe due to a problem with our history education and the image they paint of our ancestors as primitive, and with us as some sort of pinnacle of human existence.

It's highly likely that there were pre Egyptian/Roman civilizations with nearly equal technological and scientific abilities, even 10,000 to 20,000 years ago, just they were wiped out by natural disasters, with most archaeological evidence either fragmented or destroyed.

s_pepys · 30th January 2013, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

I think a lot of people just fail to realize how intelligent and advanced some previous ancient civilizations were. Maybe due to a problem with our history education and the image they paint of our ancestors as primitive, and with us as some sort of pinnacle of human existence.

It's highly likely that there were pre Egyptian/Roman civilizations with nearly equal technological and scientific abilities, even 10,000 to 20,000 years ago, just they were wiped out by natural disasters, with most archaeological evidence either fragmented or destroyed.

ah!

Axiom_Blade · 30th January 2013, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by The Shrike

^Agreed, there's some deep-seated racism at the heart of a lot of ancient aliens bollocks.

Yeah, you never hear anybody claiming that the Parthenon was built by aliens.

Orphia Nay · 30th January 2013, 10:39 PM

On topic, I found this survey of college students in 2000 which says:

"When asked what kinds of behaviors aliens were responsible for, only 4% believe that aliens were responsible for Stonehenge (53% did not). And only 7% believe that aliens are responsible for "crop-circles" (49% did not). And only 8% believe that aliens were involved in the design/building of the pyramids (62% did not). But as to what the aliens are trying to do, 26% believe that UFO's are trying to make peaceful contact with the Earth with 9% disagreeing."

John Jones · 30th January 2013, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

On topic, I found this survey of college students in 2000 which says:

"When asked what kinds of behaviors aliens were responsible for, only 4% believe that aliens were responsible for Stonehenge (53% did not). And only 7% believe that aliens are responsible for "crop-circles" (49% did not). And only 8% believe that aliens were involved in the design/building of the pyramids (62% did not). But as to what the aliens are trying to do, 26% believe that UFO's are trying to make peaceful contact with the Earth with 9% disagreeing."

You forgot the obvious: They're here to probe our women-folk.

UTLonghorn · 31st January 2013, 01:12 AM

Not sure how prevalent the believers are, but it's certainly the best comedy on TV.

Miss_Kitt · 1st February 2013, 10:18 PM

My daughter's middle school classmate is absolutely convinced that Ancient Aliens is TRUE. Poor boy, I hope he gets his head back in shape by the time he's out of high school, I was done with the whole Chariots of the Gods thing by 8th grade.

I am reaching the conclusion that a lot of people want to believe that humans are stupid, ignorant, evil and/or clueless, and need either divine help or alien advice. Or, perhaps, we were smart or enlightened once, but now is the new Dark Ages. So I'm not surprised that Louisville isn't full of Alien believers, because those in that general camp are Fundie Christians instead...

Just my thoughts MK

Zeuzzz · 2nd February 2013, 01:39 AM

The ancient Alien guys have pounced on this Yonaghuni monument I discovered the other day when watching the history channel. I started a thread on it here, which got some great replies, if you ignore my posts.

xtifr · 2nd February 2013, 02:57 PM

I also don't know the percentages, but I suspect that they're a whole lot lower today than they were in the seventies, or whenever it was that Chariots of the Gods came out. Also, psychedelic drugs and the like are a lot less popular than they were in the seventies. Now, I'm not saying there's a connection, but...there's a connection.

Jerrymander · 3rd February 2013, 07:38 AM

I think that one of the appeals of AA is caused by living in an advanced techological society. We are so used to technology doing everything for us that its hard to imagine how ancient people could have functioned.

Cainkane1 · 3rd February 2013, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Zeuzzz

"Endospores can survive without nutrients. They are resistant to ultraviolet radiation, desiccation, high temperature, extreme freezing and chemical disinfectants. According to scientist Dr. Steinn Sigurdsson, "There are viable bacterial spores that have been found that are 40 million years old on Earth - and we know they're very hardened to radiation"

Not only would these spores be light enough to float into our atmosphere without burning up, they are resistant to radiation and also survive at absolute zero and in a vacuum.

Strictly speaking these aren't "living organisms", they're more akin to a template of an organism that can become that organism again.

From Microbial World - "Several scientists have been able to recover viable endospores from bees trapped in amber that is 25-40 million years old"

Complex molecules are rather ubiquitous in space. We're not talking a handful of sugar molecules or some barely-detectable amino acids in a small number of weird samples--we're talking significant quantities of these materials pretty much everywhere we look.

Thats not exactly alien. When our solar system was being created life of this sort may have existed already. Drifting down to earth these simple creatures may have already been alive.

This is an old theory as to how life came to be on earth.

A true alien would be a creature that evolved at another stars solar system. What these alien shows are trying to tell us is that we were visited by intelligent beings from outer space.

I have always contended that if aliens form another star system existed they would have left artifacts made of plastic and other materials the ancients humans were unable to make.

There would be exotic mixtures of metals that can't be smelted except in a weightless environment. There would have been incandescent lights and intact flying machines not just small baubles that look like airplanes. For instance instead of rowboats and sailing boats being found in tombs wed be finding cars and intact airplanes in tombs. Guns instead of bows and arrows etc.

In my opinion what we are actually discovering is clever mechanisms made by ancient humans who deserve the credit rather than non existent aliens form outer space.

If aliens existed they would have colonized Mars, The moons of Saturn and Jupiter and maybe even Ceres and even a terraformed Venus.

If they settled on earth they would still be here looking like who knows what instead of half human and half animal creatures. Stone age humans would have been unable to resist alien invasions and its my guess that humanity would have been exterminated by the advanced invaders.

Aliens never visited earth.

riptor · 3rd February 2013, 09:54 AM

According to the Wikipedia article on the subject, the show has lost some viewers, from a high of 1.6 million down to 1.3 million. How many people actually believe the various "theories" put forward in the program are unknown as far as I can tell. But apparently Katy Perry, Megan Fox, and Ellen DeGeneres buy into it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Aliens

ShadowSot · 3rd February 2013, 03:03 PM

I know a decent number of people that believe it, and since I post more on forums where the fringe is actively discussed, I've seen a large number of believers.

John Jones · 3rd February 2013, 05:34 PM

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Pacal · 4th February 2013, 04:34 PM

Ancient Aliens is complete crap designed solely to get bums in the couch to watch commercials between segments of the show.

As for how many people actually believe this crap? Well the number and proportion is probably down since it's height in the early 1970's with Von Daniken being the primary seller of this woo. Still From various chat forums I've read there are people who take the shows crap seriously.

EHocking · 4th February 2013, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Pacal

Ancient Aliens is complete crap designed solely to get bums in the couch to watch commercials between segments of the show.

As for how many people actually believe this crap? Well the number and proportion is probably down since it's height in the early 1970's with Von Daniken being the primary seller of this woo. Still From various chat forums I've read there are people who take the shows crap seriously.

I have a brother in law who is an extremely practical man. Problem solving and inventing useful tools, vehicles, games and other very practical devices is something that makes him stand out from many people I know.

Nonetheless - he devours this rubbish. It took me 15 years to persuade him that his belief that man didn't walk on the moon was based on dis/misinformation from such woo programmes.

I'm staggered to understand why he continues to eat up this stuff - but he does.

Zeuzzz · 5th February 2013, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by EHocking

I'm staggered to understand why he continues to eat up this stuff - but he does.

The same reason people like realistic sci-fi films.

EHocking · 5th February 2013, 03:41 PM

Uh, no.

Scientific ignorance seems to be a common denominator.

Shrike · 6th February 2013, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by Axiom_Blade

Yeah, you never hear anybody claiming that the Parthenon was built by aliens.

Not necessarily - if you Google 'Parthenon built by aliens' you get a lot of hits. Not all saying that aliens did it BTW. I've heard it said about Stonehenge as well.
One explanation about it not being said about the Parthenon/Colloseum (on the forum of the History Channel itself, no less) was that there are written records about the built. Of other structures these are absent, so it's prone to speculation.

Years ago, there was a series of shows on Discovery (European version, when they didn't focus on the 'human interest' part yet) where historians and engineers would co-operate to replicate the build of some of these structures.
They nearly always succeeded IIRC.

30th January 2013, 05:40 AM	#41
aggle-rithm Ardent Formulist Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,149	Originally Posted by NetPen While that explanation may not be really related to the thread discussion, which is about the popularity of this fad itself, I just wanted to re-express my criticisms of one part of it as well as sharpen my critical thinking. I think the fad makes people feel better about themselves by diminishing the brilliance of the "primitive" people who constructed some of the ancient engineering wonders. HAD to be aliens! History has shown that savages can't put two sticks together unless someone with lighter-colored skin is helping them. And it doesn't get much lighter than alien skin.
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30th January 2013, 06:45 AM	#43
Zeuzzz Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,241	I think a lot of people just fail to realize how intelligent and advanced some previous ancient civilizations were. Maybe due to a problem with our history education and the image they paint of our ancestors as primitive, and with us as some sort of pinnacle of human existence. It's highly likely that there were pre Egyptian/Roman civilizations with nearly equal technological and scientific abilities, even 10,000 to 20,000 years ago, just they were wiped out by natural disasters, with most archaeological evidence either fragmented or destroyed.
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30th January 2013, 07:37 AM	#44
s_pepys Muse Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 553	Originally Posted by Zeuzzz I think a lot of people just fail to realize how intelligent and advanced some previous ancient civilizations were. Maybe due to a problem with our history education and the image they paint of our ancestors as primitive, and with us as some sort of pinnacle of human existence. It's highly likely that there were pre Egyptian/Roman civilizations with nearly equal technological and scientific abilities, even 10,000 to 20,000 years ago, just they were wiped out by natural disasters, with most archaeological evidence either fragmented or destroyed. ah!
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30th January 2013, 10:39 PM	#46
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 28,331	On topic, I found this survey of college students in 2000 which says: "When asked what kinds of behaviors aliens were responsible for, only 4% believe that aliens were responsible for Stonehenge (53% did not). And only 7% believe that aliens are responsible for "crop-circles" (49% did not). And only 8% believe that aliens were involved in the design/building of the pyramids (62% did not). But as to what the aliens are trying to do, 26% believe that UFO's are trying to make peaceful contact with the Earth with 9% disagreeing."
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30th January 2013, 11:14 PM	#47
John Jones Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,703	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay On topic, I found this survey of college students in 2000 which says: "When asked what kinds of behaviors aliens were responsible for, only 4% believe that aliens were responsible for Stonehenge (53% did not). And only 7% believe that aliens are responsible for "crop-circles" (49% did not). And only 8% believe that aliens were involved in the design/building of the pyramids (62% did not). But as to what the aliens are trying to do, 26% believe that UFO's are trying to make peaceful contact with the Earth with 9% disagreeing." You forgot the obvious: They're here to probe our women-folk.
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30th January 2013, 06:25 AM	#42
The Shrike Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: USA Posts: 1,802	^Agreed, there's some deep-seated racism at the heart of a lot of ancient aliens bollocks.

30th January 2013, 08:17 PM	#45
Axiom_Blade Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,728	Originally Posted by The Shrike ^Agreed, there's some deep-seated racism at the heart of a lot of ancient aliens bollocks. Yeah, you never hear anybody claiming that the Parthenon was built by aliens.

31st January 2013, 01:12 AM	#48
UTLonghorn Critical Thinker Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 352	Not sure how prevalent the believers are, but it's certainly the best comedy on TV.
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1st February 2013, 10:18 PM	#49
Miss_Kitt Zombie Horse of Homeopathy Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lesser Seattle Posts: 3,614	My daughter's middle school classmate is absolutely convinced that Ancient Aliens is TRUE. Poor boy, I hope he gets his head back in shape by the time he's out of high school, I was done with the whole Chariots of the Gods thing by 8th grade. I am reaching the conclusion that a lot of people want to believe that humans are stupid, ignorant, evil and/or clueless, and need either divine help or alien advice. Or, perhaps, we were smart or enlightened once, but now is the new Dark Ages. So I'm not surprised that Louisville isn't full of Alien believers, because those in that general camp are Fundie Christians instead... Just my thoughts MK
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2nd February 2013, 01:39 AM	#50
Zeuzzz Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,241	The ancient Alien guys have pounced on this Yonaghuni monument I discovered the other day when watching the history channel. I started a thread on it here, which got some great replies, if you ignore my posts.
Zeuzzz Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,241	Last edited by Zeuzzz; 2nd February 2013 at 01:46 AM.

2nd February 2013, 02:57 PM	#51
xtifr Muse Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Sol III Posts: 563	I also don't know the percentages, but I suspect that they're a whole lot lower today than they were in the seventies, or whenever it was that Chariots of the Gods came out. Also, psychedelic drugs and the like are a lot less popular than they were in the seventies. Now, I'm not saying there's a connection, but...there's a connection.
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3rd February 2013, 07:38 AM	#52
Jerrymander Scholar Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 74	I think that one of the appeals of AA is caused by living in an advanced techological society. We are so used to technology doing everything for us that its hard to imagine how ancient people could have functioned.
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3rd February 2013, 08:00 AM	#53
Cainkane1 Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: The great American southeast Posts: 7,186	Originally Posted by Zeuzzz "Endospores can survive without nutrients. They are resistant to ultraviolet radiation, desiccation, high temperature, extreme freezing and chemical disinfectants. According to scientist Dr. Steinn Sigurdsson, "There are viable bacterial spores that have been found that are 40 million years old on Earth - and we know they're very hardened to radiation" Not only would these spores be light enough to float into our atmosphere without burning up, they are resistant to radiation and also survive at absolute zero and in a vacuum. Strictly speaking these aren't "living organisms", they're more akin to a template of an organism that can become that organism again. From Microbial World - "Several scientists have been able to recover viable endospores from bees trapped in amber that is 25-40 million years old" Complex molecules are rather ubiquitous in space. We're not talking a handful of sugar molecules or some barely-detectable amino acids in a small number of weird samples--we're talking significant quantities of these materials pretty much everywhere we look. Thats not exactly alien. When our solar system was being created life of this sort may have existed already. Drifting down to earth these simple creatures may have already been alive. This is an old theory as to how life came to be on earth. A true alien would be a creature that evolved at another stars solar system. What these alien shows are trying to tell us is that we were visited by intelligent beings from outer space. I have always contended that if aliens form another star system existed they would have left artifacts made of plastic and other materials the ancients humans were unable to make. There would be exotic mixtures of metals that can't be smelted except in a weightless environment. There would have been incandescent lights and intact flying machines not just small baubles that look like airplanes. For instance instead of rowboats and sailing boats being found in tombs wed be finding cars and intact airplanes in tombs. Guns instead of bows and arrows etc. In my opinion what we are actually discovering is clever mechanisms made by ancient humans who deserve the credit rather than non existent aliens form outer space. If aliens existed they would have colonized Mars, The moons of Saturn and Jupiter and maybe even Ceres and even a terraformed Venus. If they settled on earth they would still be here looking like who knows what instead of half human and half animal creatures. Stone age humans would have been unable to resist alien invasions and its my guess that humanity would have been exterminated by the advanced invaders. Aliens never visited earth.
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3rd February 2013, 09:54 AM	#54
riptor Student Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 38	According to the Wikipedia article on the subject, the show has lost some viewers, from a high of 1.6 million down to 1.3 million. How many people actually believe the various "theories" put forward in the program are unknown as far as I can tell. But apparently Katy Perry, Megan Fox, and Ellen DeGeneres buy into it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Aliens
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3rd February 2013, 03:03 PM	#55
ShadowSot Muse Join Date: May 2010 Location: Pensacola Posts: 769	I know a decent number of people that believe it, and since I post more on forums where the fringe is actively discussed, I've seen a large number of believers.
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3rd February 2013, 05:34 PM	#56
John Jones Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,703	109 yard kick return. A new record!
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4th February 2013, 04:34 PM	#57
Pacal Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 448	Ancient Aliens is complete crap designed solely to get bums in the couch to watch commercials between segments of the show. As for how many people actually believe this crap? Well the number and proportion is probably down since it's height in the early 1970's with Von Daniken being the primary seller of this woo. Still From various chat forums I've read there are people who take the shows crap seriously.

4th February 2013, 05:27 PM	#58
EHocking Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,409	Originally Posted by Pacal Ancient Aliens is complete crap designed solely to get bums in the couch to watch commercials between segments of the show. As for how many people actually believe this crap? Well the number and proportion is probably down since it's height in the early 1970's with Von Daniken being the primary seller of this woo. Still From various chat forums I've read there are people who take the shows crap seriously. I have a brother in law who is an extremely practical man. Problem solving and inventing useful tools, vehicles, games and other very practical devices is something that makes him stand out from many people I know. Nonetheless - he devours this rubbish. It took me 15 years to persuade him that his belief that man didn't walk on the moon was based on dis/misinformation from such woo programmes. I'm staggered to understand why he continues to eat up this stuff - but he does.
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5th February 2013, 02:38 PM	#59
Zeuzzz Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,241	Originally Posted by EHocking I'm staggered to understand why he continues to eat up this stuff - but he does. The same reason people like realistic sci-fi films.
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5th February 2013, 03:41 PM	#60
EHocking Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,409	How prevalent are the believers of the Ancient Alient "hypothesis"? Uh, no. Scientific ignorance seems to be a common denominator.
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6th February 2013, 02:13 AM	#61
Shrike Warning: May Contain Nuts Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Waddinxveen Posts: 2,326	Originally Posted by Axiom_Blade Yeah, you never hear anybody claiming that the Parthenon was built by aliens. Not necessarily - if you Google 'Parthenon built by aliens' you get a lot of hits. Not all saying that aliens did it BTW. I've heard it said about Stonehenge as well. One explanation about it not being said about the Parthenon/Colloseum (on the forum of the History Channel itself, no less) was that there are written records about the built. Of other structures these are absent, so it's prone to speculation. Years ago, there was a series of shows on Discovery (European version, when they didn't focus on the 'human interest' part yet) where historians and engineers would co-operate to replicate the build of some of these structures. They nearly always succeeded IIRC.
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