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Old 4th February 2013, 08:08 AM   #41
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Though I messed with religious ideas for a long time, when I got to the point, I realized that most of it comes down to an observation I made when I was about twelve: my penis is connected only at one end.
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Old 4th February 2013, 10:09 AM   #42
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While I don't know if I'd say I ever believed in a god--when I was old enough to decide these kinds of things, I was more of an inquisitive "agnostic"--I think the biggest benefit of not believing is the congruent understanding of how the universe works. When there is no god to create Earth, mankind, the cosmos, or morality, you can investigate whence they've come and arrive at explanations that can withstand a modicum of scrutiny. I think the knowledge attained even makes me a more confident person, which is rather helpful for someone as shy as I.
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Old 4th February 2013, 10:36 AM   #43
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Though I messed with religious ideas for a long time, when I got to the point, I realized that most of it comes down to an observation I made when I was about twelve: my penis is connected only at one end.
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Old 5th February 2013, 12:15 PM   #44
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Thumbs up Depends on your notion of God

If you are talking of a dictator god, punishing and censoring, cruel and unfair, capricious and demanding, anthropomorphic and bearded, sky flying and cloud riding... then I feel very happy NOT believing, but...
If you are talking of Supreme Intelligence, Endless Power, Absolute Justice, Infinite Creativity, Omnipresence, Ever Expanding Love, Unlimited Wisdom and Beautiful Simplicity then I rejoice in Knowing Him more than "believing"...

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Old 5th February 2013, 02:07 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by MikeAparicio View Post
If you are talking of a dictator god, punishing and censoring, cruel and unfair, capricious and demanding, anthropomorphic and bearded, sky flying and cloud riding... then I feel very happy NOT believing, but...
If you are talking of Supreme Intelligence, Endless Power, Absolute Justice, Infinite Creativity, Omnipresence, Ever Expanding Love, Unlimited Wisdom and Beautiful Simplicity then I rejoice in Knowing Him more than "believing"...
If this world is his creation then Loving and Wisdom seem to have been left out.

How do you know he's a him?
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Old 5th February 2013, 02:14 PM   #46
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If this world is his creation then Loving and Wisdom seem to have been left out.

How do you know he's a him?
Must be the long white beard, that's a dead giveaway.
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Old 5th February 2013, 04:08 PM   #47
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If this world is his creation then Loving and Wisdom seem to have been left out.

How do you know he's a him?
Well! You are touching precisely the Mystery of God!

Love and Wisdom certainly are NOT in your world.
You just decided. God will always please you upon what you deeply think.
If God does not exist, for you, how could you expect Wisdom and Love to be in YOUR world?

He or she? or it? The same.
God can be all three at the same time.
Another mystery closed for narrow angle minds and small hearts!
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Love and Wisdom certainly are NOT in your world.
They're not in god's world either, judging by the Old Testament and the number of children in the world today with cancer.
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Old 5th February 2013, 05:57 PM   #49
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Well! You are touching precisely the Mystery of God!
Theist apologetics: If you can't explain something then god.
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Originally Posted by MikeAparicio View Post
Well! You are touching precisely the Mystery of God!

Love and Wisdom certainly are NOT in your world.
You just decided. God will always please you upon what you deeply think.
If God does not exist, for you, how could you expect Wisdom and Love to be in YOUR world?

He or she? or it? The same.
God can be all three at the same time.
Another mystery closed for narrow angle minds and small hearts!
It seems love and wisdom are much harder to display than to assert.
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Originally Posted by MikeAparicio View Post
Well! You are touching precisely the Mystery of God!

Love and Wisdom certainly are NOT in your world.
You just decided. God will always please you upon what you deeply think.
If God does not exist, for you, how could you expect Wisdom and Love to be in YOUR world?

He or she? or it? The same.
God can be all three at the same time.
Another mystery closed for narrow angle minds and small hearts!
God won't give Wisdom unless we believe in It?


That last sentence hilited, is that an example of god's Love?

If so I'll pass on a Love that stoops so low.
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Old 5th February 2013, 11:53 PM   #52
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It seems love and wisdom are much harder to display than to assert.
Odd how Love looks a lot like snark and insults. This one didn't take long to go the low road.
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Old 6th February 2013, 02:07 AM   #53
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Theist apologetics: If you can't explain something then god.
The only mystery about the Christian god is why anybody would believe in and admire such an evil bugger.
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Old 6th February 2013, 03:33 AM   #54
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Bottom line, I'm free from external forces. I do not suffer guilt from doing things my religion deemed sinful but harmed no one. I do not suffer from cognitive dissonance.
I don't think anyone is free from external forces. They're real forces not supernatural though.

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I've been to parties where that's happened.





Personally the benefits for me when I believed in God was that I fitted in with my social group. And because I was brought up in a minority religion (Jehovahs Witnesses) with a culture of "Otherness", I indulged myself in feeling good because I was in the "special" group and not a dirty "worldy" outsider. I also got to meet a lot of young women too. There wasn't any sex but there was a lot of choice of marriage partners. Not getting invited to parties in a 100 mile radius of where I live was a major shock for me when I left.

The benefits of not believing in God any more aren't that huge. Intellectual honesty, guilt free internet surfing, that sort of thing. But as has already been said, it's not a cost benefit scenario. Once I no longer believed it was not possible to pretend to believe to get the benefits.

Oh! Watching science \ nature programs on TV and being able to be openly fascinated by explanations of evolution or a world that hasn't undergone a global flood. That's a big benefit.
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I am not seeking rebuttal, or critique, on other people's beliefs. I am seeking your own personal experience in believing, or not believing in a god(s).

Thank you.
By not believing in god or the supernatural I am no longer disappointed when I pray and not a thing happens.
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I don't think anyone is free from external forces. They're real forces not supernatural though.
Fair cop. Poor wording on my part. You are correct. Thank you.
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Also, I can't believe you're stupid enough to think Ayn Rand is popular here.
As a Rand fan let me say you are correct. Though I should also note that I'm not an Objectivist and I think her philosophy less than rigorous.
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Originally Posted by deaman View Post
I am not seeking rebuttal, or critique, on other people's beliefs. I am seeking your own personal experience in believing, or not believing in a god(s).

Thank you.
The benefits of not believing ? Reality.
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