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Travis · 20th December 2012, 07:35 PM

As I noted elsewhere I am pulling out of the threads on gun control because of my inability to control my emotions on the issue.

But the Newtown tragedy is still an important and developing event.

So I was hoping we could keep appraised of what is going on here and keep the gun control talk elsewhere.

For one thing did we ever find out why they thought Adam's mom worked at the school? And is it true he was turned down for treatment for his disorders?

Stellafane · 20th December 2012, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Travis

As I noted elsewhere I am pulling out of the threads on gun control because of my inability to control my emotions on the issue.

But the Newtown tragedy is still an important and developing event.

So I was hoping we could keep appraised of what is going on here and keep the gun control talk elsewhere.

For one thing did we ever find out why they thought Adam's mom worked at the school? And is it true he was turned down for treatment for his disorders?

The last I heard (and please keep in mind that the latest word on this may not yet have been spoken) Mrs. Lanza used to be a parental volunteer at the school

Travis · 20th December 2012, 07:43 PM

Yeah, they seemed to just drop that whole topic when it turned out to be wrong. I was really hoping to hear how the confusion came about in the first place.

zeggman · 20th December 2012, 07:59 PM

This report says the mom had been a volunteer with the kindergartners for many years, and speculates it may have been a "Mom Always Liked You Best" shooting.

The Central Scrutinizer · 21st December 2012, 07:06 AM

Apparently there were at least 2 other shooters that the government (or gubmit) is covering up. Just google "shooter in the woods", or something like that.

I learned all this because I have a right wing fundy nut friend on Facebook.

TragicMonkey · 21st December 2012, 07:32 AM

I've been told that Obama arranged the whole thing to distract everyone from Benghazi.

The Central Scrutinizer · 21st December 2012, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I've been told that Obama arranged the whole thing to distract everyone from Benghazi.

And Benghazi was meant to distract everyone from him not being a citizen. How deep does this go?

TragicMonkey · 21st December 2012, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

And Benghazi was meant to distract everyone from him not being a citizen. How deep does this go?

Have you ever noticed that there are no photographs of Obama and Davros together? Its the same guy!!!

Also he's Varys the Spider.

DJW · 21st December 2012, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer

And Benghazi was meant to distract everyone from him not being a citizen. How deep does this go?

I once had a really bad concussion, so I can't talk about Benghazi.

Oh wait, this thread is about NewTown...pesky concussion...

I keep wiping away tears. My stomach is in knots thinking about the parents of the dead kids and teachers. I spoke with a few of my daughter's elementary school teachers yesterday, and we were all just a prolonged thought away from breaking down.

Travis · 25th December 2012, 07:23 PM

I wonder if the brother will have any legal recourse since his name was up on the news channels for most of the first day.

Sam.I.Am · 25th December 2012, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Travis

I wonder if the brother will have any legal recourse since his name was up on the news channels for most of the first day.

Probably not seeing as it was based upon some (reliable at the time) information. The shooter was carrying his brothers ID after all and depending upon his wounds he might not have been identifiable at the beginning (or the visible difference between the two was negligible enough to be close enough to make the mistake at first. It's not like all ID photos are all that great after a few years depending on if you changed your hairstyle or grew\cut off any facial hair).

triforcharity · 25th December 2012, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Travis

I wonder if the brother will have any legal recourse since his name was up on the news channels for most of the first day.

I'd think (I'm not very well versed in civil law) but it's possible, but doubtful that he'd win. I'm not sure honestly.

Polaris · 26th December 2012, 10:52 AM

Good topic, Travis. I've stayed away from the actual news stories about Sandy Hook until they sorted out all the bad information. Has a general consensus of the chain of events been pieced together yet?

Monketey Ghost · 26th December 2012, 11:23 AM

If it has I haven't heard it. Still a huge question mark over the whole thing and an almost odd vacuum of info. It's almost as if there's nothing to discover or it's undiscoverable.

DavidJames · 26th December 2012, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Monketey Ghost

If it has I haven't heard it. Still a huge question mark over the whole thing and an almost odd vacuum of info. It's almost as if there's nothing to discover or it's undiscoverable.

It probably will require some searching, once they do piece together a timeline, if they ever do. Apparently our attention span for this tragedy has been surpassed, replaced by the gun tragedy in Rochester and the severe weather.

Monketey Ghost · 26th December 2012, 11:32 AM

It's weird: no motive yet. Nothing about why he didn't just kill his mom and leave it at that.

Maybe the info is hidden in an Easter Egg in one of those horrible violent video games. Damn you, Atari!

sophia8 · 26th December 2012, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I've been told that Obama arranged the whole thing to distract everyone from Benghazi.

No, you heard wrong. What's been happening with all these mass shootings over the last four years is that Obama's people have been secretly paying all these unstable, easily manipulated types to go berserk with guns. Very soon, public oipnion on guns will be such that he can bring in the UN, seize everybody's guns and introduce sharia law!

Anyway, that's enough about guns.
What finally reduced me to utter bawling was reading this article about one of the victims:

Quote:

As we talk, Ian smiles as his wife explains the significance of the butterflies they both wear. ‘When children are on the autism spectrum, some are rockers or they roll their heads. And some are flappers. Dylan was a flapper. Whenever he got excited or happy, no matter what he was doing, he would flap up and down, up and down and over and over. It was a sign of his joy.
‘I once asked him, “Why do you flap?” Because he had underdeveloped language skills, I was not expecting an answer but he replied, “Because I am a beautiful butterfly.” It meant a great deal to us because children with special needs are that much purer and more innocent and the idea of Dylan as a butterfly, now out of the cocoon of his body... it comforts me.’

triforcharity · 26th December 2012, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by sophia8

Anyway, that's enough about guns.
What finally reduced me to utter bawling was reading this article about one of the victims:

Damn you sophia. That just tuggs at my heart's strings. Even more so because I have a high-functioning autistic family member, who also "flapps". I'm literally crying reading the rest of that.

wasapi · 26th December 2012, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am

Probably not seeing as it was based upon some (reliable at the time) information. The shooter was carrying his brothers ID after all and depending upon his wounds he might not have been identifiable at the beginning (or the visible difference between the two was negligible enough to be close enough to make the mistake at first. It's not like all ID photos are all that great after a few years depending on if you changed your hairstyle or grew\cut off any facial hair).

Interesting post. [i] I hadn't yet thought about the relationship the shooter may have had with his brother. Short of murdering his brother, he seemed to still want him to experience a piece of hell.

A day has yet to go by that I haven't thought of those children. When I woke up Christmas morning, my first thought was of the families. The unopened presents. Presents that most all parents feel a sharp delight going through them as the watch their little ones rip the packages open.

Alareth · 27th December 2012, 12:19 PM

Can we discuss the scum like this that oozes out of the sewers when tragedies happen?

http://todaynews.today.com/_news/201...ting-scam?lite

Polaris · 27th December 2012, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by Alareth

Can we discuss the scum like this that oozes out of the sewers when tragedies happen?

http://todaynews.today.com/_news/201...ting-scam?lite

I think so. Five years and $250,000 seems low considering a pageant contestant has to pay Donald Trump's worthless ass $5 million for disparaging Miss World (or whatever it is).

Graham2001 · 19th February 2013, 01:04 PM

I'm not sure what to make of this, but if true, I'm not surprised.

Quote:

Newtown gunman Adam Lanza "was obsessed" with other mass murderers and wanted to kill more people than Norway's Anders Breivik, US law enforcement officials say.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/201...-mass-murderer

The Central Scrutinizer · 19th February 2013, 01:23 PM

If only those kids or teachers had been ar....ummm...if they had "something" in their hands, they might be alive today!

Polaris · 19th February 2013, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by Graham2001

I'm not sure what to make of this, but if true, I'm not surprised.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/201...-mass-murderer

Gee, I wonder if he learned from the media that shooting a bunch of people was a sure-fire ticket to fame.

The caption to the video on the link:

Quote:

December 21, 2012: Almost a week after Adam Lanza shot dead 26 people in one of America’s worst mass shootings, police say they have no explanation for the atrocity despite intense investigations.

And more than two months later, only speculation remains, hence the inclusion of completely irrelevant information. I'm surprised they didn't spell it "skillz":

Quote:

Police recovered several video games from the basement of Lanza's home, where the troubled young man reportedly spent many hours alone honing his computer shooting skills.

Nessie · 20th February 2013, 01:53 AM

Do we know how he got hold of his mother's guns?

Ladewig · 20th February 2013, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Alareth

Can we discuss the scum like this that oozes out of the sewers when tragedies happen?

http://todaynews.today.com/_news/201...ting-scam?lite

Some days, I am proud to be a member of the species homo sapiens.
Other days, not so much.

20th December 2012, 07:35 PM	#1
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 18,101	Newtown tragedy thread (with no gun control talk) As I noted elsewhere I am pulling out of the threads on gun control because of my inability to control my emotions on the issue. But the Newtown tragedy is still an important and developing event. So I was hoping we could keep appraised of what is going on here and keep the gun control talk elsewhere. For one thing did we ever find out why they thought Adam's mom worked at the school? And is it true he was turned down for treatment for his disorders?
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20th December 2012, 07:39 PM	#2
Stellafane Village Idiot. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Green Mountains Posts: 6,322	Originally Posted by Travis As I noted elsewhere I am pulling out of the threads on gun control because of my inability to control my emotions on the issue. But the Newtown tragedy is still an important and developing event. So I was hoping we could keep appraised of what is going on here and keep the gun control talk elsewhere. For one thing did we ever find out why they thought Adam's mom worked at the school? And is it true he was turned down for treatment for his disorders? The last I heard (and please keep in mind that the latest word on this may not yet have been spoken) Mrs. Lanza used to be a parental volunteer at the school
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20th December 2012, 07:43 PM	#3
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 18,101	Yeah, they seemed to just drop that whole topic when it turned out to be wrong. I was really hoping to hear how the confusion came about in the first place.
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20th December 2012, 07:59 PM	#4
zeggman Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,788	This report says the mom had been a volunteer with the kindergartners for many years, and speculates it may have been a "Mom Always Liked You Best" shooting.
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21st December 2012, 07:06 AM	#5
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21st December 2012, 07:32 AM	#6
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21st December 2012, 07:38 AM	#7
The Central Scrutinizer Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The White Zone Posts: 42,573	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I've been told that Obama arranged the whole thing to distract everyone from Benghazi. And Benghazi was meant to distract everyone from him not being a citizen. How deep does this go?
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21st December 2012, 07:51 AM	#8
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 30,285	Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer And Benghazi was meant to distract everyone from him not being a citizen. How deep does this go? Have you ever noticed that there are no photographs of Obama and Davros together? Its the same guy!!! Also he's Varys the Spider.
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21st December 2012, 09:13 AM	#9
DJW Muse Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 600	Originally Posted by The Central Scrutinizer And Benghazi was meant to distract everyone from him not being a citizen. How deep does this go? I once had a really bad concussion, so I can't talk about Benghazi. Oh wait, this thread is about NewTown...pesky concussion... I keep wiping away tears. My stomach is in knots thinking about the parents of the dead kids and teachers. I spoke with a few of my daughter's elementary school teachers yesterday, and we were all just a prolonged thought away from breaking down.

25th December 2012, 07:23 PM	#10
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tuolumne City, CA Posts: 18,101	I wonder if the brother will have any legal recourse since his name was up on the news channels for most of the first day.
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25th December 2012, 08:31 PM	#11
Sam.I.Am Illuminator Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Hunting Moose and Squirrel Posts: 4,164	Originally Posted by Travis I wonder if the brother will have any legal recourse since his name was up on the news channels for most of the first day. Probably not seeing as it was based upon some (reliable at the time) information. The shooter was carrying his brothers ID after all and depending upon his wounds he might not have been identifiable at the beginning (or the visible difference between the two was negligible enough to be close enough to make the mistake at first. It's not like all ID photos are all that great after a few years depending on if you changed your hairstyle or grew\cut off any facial hair).
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25th December 2012, 09:44 PM	#12
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,613	Originally Posted by Travis I wonder if the brother will have any legal recourse since his name was up on the news channels for most of the first day. I'd think (I'm not very well versed in civil law) but it's possible, but doubtful that he'd win. I'm not sure honestly.
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26th December 2012, 10:52 AM	#13
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,215	Good topic, Travis. I've stayed away from the actual news stories about Sandy Hook until they sorted out all the bad information. Has a general consensus of the chain of events been pieced together yet?
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26th December 2012, 11:23 AM	#14
Monketey Ghost Body of Work Join Date: May 2003 Location: I'm on your screen! Posts: 14,814	If it has I haven't heard it. Still a huge question mark over the whole thing and an almost odd vacuum of info. It's almost as if there's nothing to discover or it's undiscoverable.
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26th December 2012, 11:30 AM	#15
DavidJames Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Front Range, CO Posts: 7,116	Originally Posted by Monketey Ghost If it has I haven't heard it. Still a huge question mark over the whole thing and an almost odd vacuum of info. It's almost as if there's nothing to discover or it's undiscoverable. It probably will require some searching, once they do piece together a timeline, if they ever do. Apparently our attention span for this tragedy has been surpassed, replaced by the gun tragedy in Rochester and the severe weather.
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26th December 2012, 11:32 AM	#16
Monketey Ghost Body of Work Join Date: May 2003 Location: I'm on your screen! Posts: 14,814	It's weird: no motive yet. Nothing about why he didn't just kill his mom and leave it at that. Maybe the info is hidden in an Easter Egg in one of those horrible violent video games. Damn you, Atari!
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26th December 2012, 11:36 AM	#17
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26th December 2012, 07:11 PM	#18
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,613	Originally Posted by sophia8 Anyway, that's enough about guns. What finally reduced me to utter bawling was reading this article about one of the victims: Damn you sophia. That just tuggs at my heart's strings. Even more so because I have a high-functioning autistic family member, who also "flapps". I'm literally crying reading the rest of that.
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26th December 2012, 08:13 PM	#19
wasapi Master Poster Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,398	Originally Posted by Sam.I.Am Probably not seeing as it was based upon some (reliable at the time) information. The shooter was carrying his brothers ID after all and depending upon his wounds he might not have been identifiable at the beginning (or the visible difference between the two was negligible enough to be close enough to make the mistake at first. It's not like all ID photos are all that great after a few years depending on if you changed your hairstyle or grew\cut off any facial hair). Interesting post. [i] I hadn't yet thought about the relationship the shooter may have had with his brother. Short of murdering his brother, he seemed to still want him to experience a piece of hell. A day has yet to go by that I haven't thought of those children. When I woke up Christmas morning, my first thought was of the families. The unopened presents. Presents that most all parents feel a sharp delight going through them as the watch their little ones rip the packages open.
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27th December 2012, 12:19 PM	#20
Alareth Expert Expertologist Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 6,802	Can we discuss the scum like this that oozes out of the sewers when tragedies happen? http://todaynews.today.com/_news/201...ting-scam?lite
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27th December 2012, 12:23 PM	#21
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,215	Originally Posted by Alareth Can we discuss the scum like this that oozes out of the sewers when tragedies happen? http://todaynews.today.com/_news/201...ting-scam?lite I think so. Five years and $250,000 seems low considering a pageant contestant has to pay Donald Trump's worthless ass $5 million for disparaging Miss World (or whatever it is).
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19th February 2013, 01:04 PM	#22
Graham2001 Muse Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Australia Posts: 663	I'm not sure what to make of this, but if true, I'm not surprised. Quote: Newtown gunman Adam Lanza "was obsessed" with other mass murderers and wanted to kill more people than Norway's Anders Breivik, US law enforcement officials say. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/201...-mass-murderer
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19th February 2013, 01:23 PM	#23
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19th February 2013, 01:29 PM	#24
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,215	Originally Posted by Graham2001 I'm not sure what to make of this, but if true, I'm not surprised. http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/201...-mass-murderer Gee, I wonder if he learned from the media that shooting a bunch of people was a sure-fire ticket to fame. The caption to the video on the link: Quote: December 21, 2012: Almost a week after Adam Lanza shot dead 26 people in one of America’s worst mass shootings, police say they have no explanation for the atrocity despite intense investigations. And more than two months later, only speculation remains, hence the inclusion of completely irrelevant information. I'm surprised they didn't spell it "skillz": Quote: Police recovered several video games from the basement of Lanza's home, where the troubled young man reportedly spent many hours alone honing his computer shooting skills.
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20th February 2013, 01:53 AM	#25
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20th February 2013, 09:33 AM	#26
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