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Belz... · 15th January 2013, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by sgtbaker

So you cut out the part that states that I am not sure what you mean, then make a comment about a JREF forumite assuming with an eyeroll? Is there a reason why you chose to be confrontational as opposed to just telling me that I wasn't getting your intended message, maybe clarifying what you actually meant? Is there something in my tone?

I already answered that question in my last post. There is no reason for you to think that I meant something other than what I said, period.

sgtbaker · 15th January 2013, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

I already answered that question in my last post. There is no reason for you to think that I meant something other than what I said, period.

I am not trying to pull back layers and find some deeper meaning in what you said. I flat out don't get what you've said. How useful do you think the Oscars are?

Steve · 15th January 2013, 07:02 AM

sgtbaker,

If I may offer my opinion...

Belz said:

Originally Posted by Belz...

The ratings system can be useful just like the Oscars can be useful in judging a movie without having seen it; but I'd rather the process was less political and religious and more impartial and consistent.

You replied:

Originally Posted by sgtbaker

Bringing my own bias to the conversation, I am having difficulty deciding if the first part of the sentence is sarcastic. I don't particularly find the Oscars useful, at all, as I very rarely agree with their nominations. So my first assumption is that you mean it is completely useless. The second part of the sentence, though, suggests that I might be misreading.

To which Belz responded:

Originally Posted by Belz...

Leave it to JREF forumites to assume that other posters are saying something that they're not.

And later by you after some additional back and forth (my hilite):

Originally Posted by sgtbaker

I am not trying to pull back layers and find some deeper meaning in what you said. I flat out don't get what you've said. How useful do you think the Oscars are?

I think Belz' initial statement is quite clear in that he finds some utilty in using both the Oscar's and the ratings system in forming an intial opinion, but he thinks that the ratings system could be improved. You, apparently despite the hilited comment, are searching for some additional meaning (sarcasm etc) in Belz' statement that is simply not there. Perhaps you should just take his intitial comment at face value and move on.

Belz... · 15th January 2013, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by sgtbaker

I am not trying to pull back layers and find some deeper meaning in what you said. I flat out don't get what you've said. How useful do you think the Oscars are?

At last, something to reply to. In my personal experience and opinion, films that get Oscar nominations usually deserve them. Mind you, some movies get inexplicably ignored and some get hyped up beyond their actual worth, but I don't remember seeing a horrible movie get nominated. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but that means, to me, that I can at least expect oscar nominated movies to be worth my attention, assuming they're my type of movie in the first place.

Polaris · 15th January 2013, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

At last, something to reply to. In my personal experience and opinion, films that get Oscar nominations usually deserve them. Mind you, some movies get inexplicably ignored and some get hyped up beyond their actual worth, but I don't remember seeing a horrible movie get nominated. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but that means, to me, that I can at least expect oscar nominated movies to be worth my attention, assuming they're my type of movie in the first place.

Crash won Best Picture.

sgtbaker · 15th January 2013, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by Steve

sgtbaker,

If I may offer my opinion...

Belz said:

You replied:

To which Belz responded:

And later by you after some additional back and forth (my hilite):

I think Belz' initial statement is quite clear in that he finds some utilty in using both the Oscar's and the ratings system in forming an intial opinion, but he thinks that the ratings system could be improved. You, apparently despite the hilited comment, are searching for some additional meaning (sarcasm etc) in Belz' statement that is simply not there. Perhaps you should just take his intitial comment at face value and move on.

So what are you trying to say?

sgtbaker · 15th January 2013, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

At last, something to reply to. In my personal experience and opinion, films that get Oscar nominations usually deserve them. Mind you, some movies get inexplicably ignored and some get hyped up beyond their actual worth, but I don't remember seeing a horrible movie get nominated. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but that means, to me, that I can at least expect oscar nominated movies to be worth my attention, assuming they're my type of movie in the first place.

I don't think that's something that could be proven. It works for you. My experience is that it's a crap shoot. Black Swan was alright, I loved The Hours, The Piano was pretty good, and I literally mourned the time I lost to Notes On A Scandal. For my particular taste, I find the mention of nominations or winning multiple awards doesn't move me in either direction.

Steve · 15th January 2013, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by sgtbaker

So what are you trying to say?

Belz... · 15th January 2013, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by Polaris

Crash won Best Picture.

Your point ? I haven't seen the movie so your post is not self-evident.

Belz... · 15th January 2013, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by sgtbaker

I don't think that's something that could be proven. It works for you. My experience is that it's a crap shoot. Black Swan was alright, I loved The Hours, The Piano was pretty good, and I literally mourned the time I lost to Notes On A Scandal. For my particular taste, I find the mention of nominations or winning multiple awards doesn't move me in either direction.

I didn't say it could be proven. It was a statement of opinion, as I explicitly said so.

sgtbaker · 15th January 2013, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

I didn't say it could be proven. It was a statement of opinion, as I explicitly said so.

I was just answering your statement, " I am willing to be proven wrong." It wasn't intended to be an argument.

Polaris · 15th January 2013, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Your point ? I haven't seen the movie so your post is not self-evident.

My point is that it was a horrible movie that not only got nominated, it won the highest honor.

Belz... · 15th January 2013, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Polaris

My point is that it was a horrible movie that not only got nominated, it won the highest honor.

It has good ratings, though. Are you sure you're not projecting your own tastes ?

Polaris · 15th January 2013, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

It has good ratings, though. Are you sure you're not projecting your own tastes ?

Of course I'm projecting my own tastes! Movies are subjective. But just because something's popular doesn't make it good. Lots of people eat at Burger King and watch The Jersey Shore, after all.

Likewise, just because a movie wins Best Picture doesn't mean it's good (see also: American Beauty and Shakespeare In Love). It just means usually that the movie's subject matter is politically correct enough for the Academy. Especially if it's a pretentious, predictable saccharine ****pile about racism.

Belz... · 15th January 2013, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Polaris

Of course I'm projecting my own tastes! Movies are subjective. But just because something's popular doesn't make it good. Lots of people eat at Burger King and watch The Jersey Shore, after all.

Likewise, just because a movie wins Best Picture doesn't mean it's good (see also: American Beauty and Shakespeare In Love). It just means usually that the movie's subject matter is politically correct enough for the Academy. Especially if it's a pretentious, predictable saccharine ****pile about racism.

I don't deny the politics involved, but there's usually at least technical merits to the nominees. That's what I meant by 'useful'.

15th January 2013, 02:50 AM	#201
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details... Posts: 28,505	Originally Posted by sgtbaker So you cut out the part that states that I am not sure what you mean, then make a comment about a JREF forumite assuming with an eyeroll? Is there a reason why you chose to be confrontational as opposed to just telling me that I wasn't getting your intended message, maybe clarifying what you actually meant? Is there something in my tone? I already answered that question in my last post. There is no reason for you to think that I meant something other than what I said, period.
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15th January 2013, 05:15 AM	#202
sgtbaker Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,547	Originally Posted by Belz... I already answered that question in my last post. There is no reason for you to think that I meant something other than what I said, period. I am not trying to pull back layers and find some deeper meaning in what you said. I flat out don't get what you've said. How useful do you think the Oscars are?
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15th January 2013, 07:02 AM	#203
Steve Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2005 Location: Surrey BC Posts: 1,331	sgtbaker, If I may offer my opinion... Belz said: Originally Posted by Belz... The ratings system can be useful just like the Oscars can be useful in judging a movie without having seen it; but I'd rather the process was less political and religious and more impartial and consistent. You replied: Originally Posted by sgtbaker Bringing my own bias to the conversation, I am having difficulty deciding if the first part of the sentence is sarcastic. I don't particularly find the Oscars useful, at all, as I very rarely agree with their nominations. So my first assumption is that you mean it is completely useless. The second part of the sentence, though, suggests that I might be misreading. To which Belz responded: Originally Posted by Belz... Leave it to JREF forumites to assume that other posters are saying something that they're not. And later by you after some additional back and forth (my hilite): Originally Posted by sgtbaker I am not trying to pull back layers and find some deeper meaning in what you said. I flat out don't get what you've said. How useful do you think the Oscars are? I think Belz' initial statement is quite clear in that he finds some utilty in using both the Oscar's and the ratings system in forming an intial opinion, but he thinks that the ratings system could be improved. You, apparently despite the hilited comment, are searching for some additional meaning (sarcasm etc) in Belz' statement that is simply not there. Perhaps you should just take his intitial comment at face value and move on.
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15th January 2013, 08:35 AM	#204
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details... Posts: 28,505	Originally Posted by sgtbaker I am not trying to pull back layers and find some deeper meaning in what you said. I flat out don't get what you've said. How useful do you think the Oscars are? At last, something to reply to. In my personal experience and opinion, films that get Oscar nominations usually deserve them. Mind you, some movies get inexplicably ignored and some get hyped up beyond their actual worth, but I don't remember seeing a horrible movie get nominated. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but that means, to me, that I can at least expect oscar nominated movies to be worth my attention, assuming they're my type of movie in the first place.
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15th January 2013, 08:53 AM	#205
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,168	Originally Posted by Belz... At last, something to reply to. In my personal experience and opinion, films that get Oscar nominations usually deserve them. Mind you, some movies get inexplicably ignored and some get hyped up beyond their actual worth, but I don't remember seeing a horrible movie get nominated. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but that means, to me, that I can at least expect oscar nominated movies to be worth my attention, assuming they're my type of movie in the first place. Crash won Best Picture.
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15th January 2013, 09:22 AM	#206
sgtbaker Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,547	Originally Posted by Steve sgtbaker, If I may offer my opinion... Belz said: You replied: To which Belz responded: And later by you after some additional back and forth (my hilite): I think Belz' initial statement is quite clear in that he finds some utilty in using both the Oscar's and the ratings system in forming an intial opinion, but he thinks that the ratings system could be improved. You, apparently despite the hilited comment, are searching for some additional meaning (sarcasm etc) in Belz' statement that is simply not there. Perhaps you should just take his intitial comment at face value and move on. So what are you trying to say?
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15th January 2013, 09:39 AM	#207
sgtbaker Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,547	Originally Posted by Belz... At last, something to reply to. In my personal experience and opinion, films that get Oscar nominations usually deserve them. Mind you, some movies get inexplicably ignored and some get hyped up beyond their actual worth, but I don't remember seeing a horrible movie get nominated. I'm willing to be proven wrong, but that means, to me, that I can at least expect oscar nominated movies to be worth my attention, assuming they're my type of movie in the first place. I don't think that's something that could be proven. It works for you. My experience is that it's a crap shoot. Black Swan was alright, I loved The Hours, The Piano was pretty good, and I literally mourned the time I lost to Notes On A Scandal. For my particular taste, I find the mention of nominations or winning multiple awards doesn't move me in either direction.
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15th January 2013, 10:43 AM	#208
Steve Graduate Poster Join Date: May 2005 Location: Surrey BC Posts: 1,331	Originally Posted by sgtbaker So what are you trying to say?
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15th January 2013, 11:36 AM	#209
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details... Posts: 28,505	Originally Posted by Polaris Crash won Best Picture. Your point ? I haven't seen the movie so your post is not self-evident.
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15th January 2013, 11:37 AM	#210
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details... Posts: 28,505	Originally Posted by sgtbaker I don't think that's something that could be proven. It works for you. My experience is that it's a crap shoot. Black Swan was alright, I loved The Hours, The Piano was pretty good, and I literally mourned the time I lost to Notes On A Scandal. For my particular taste, I find the mention of nominations or winning multiple awards doesn't move me in either direction. I didn't say it could be proven. It was a statement of opinion, as I explicitly said so.
	__________________ The Onmyouza Theatre, An unofficial international fanclub forum dedicated to the Japanese heavy metal band Onmyo-Za: "In the interests of time and space, it is not unreasonable to cite one point at a time. Citing 30 is the equivalent of citing none. Obviously." - Robert Prey "Physical evidence must be observed and interpreted by witnesses which makes it subjective and subject to mistakes and to fraud." - Robert Prey

15th January 2013, 12:34 PM	#211
sgtbaker Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,547	Originally Posted by Belz... I didn't say it could be proven. It was a statement of opinion, as I explicitly said so. I was just answering your statement, " I am willing to be proven wrong." It wasn't intended to be an argument.
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15th January 2013, 12:36 PM	#212
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,168	Originally Posted by Belz... Your point ? I haven't seen the movie so your post is not self-evident. My point is that it was a horrible movie that not only got nominated, it won the highest honor.
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15th January 2013, 12:53 PM	#213
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details... Posts: 28,505	Originally Posted by Polaris My point is that it was a horrible movie that not only got nominated, it won the highest honor. It has good ratings, though. Are you sure you're not projecting your own tastes ?
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15th January 2013, 12:59 PM	#214
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,168	Originally Posted by Belz... It has good ratings, though. Are you sure you're not projecting your own tastes ? Of course I'm projecting my own tastes! Movies are subjective. But just because something's popular doesn't make it good. Lots of people eat at Burger King and watch The Jersey Shore, after all. Likewise, just because a movie wins Best Picture doesn't mean it's good (see also: American Beauty and Shakespeare In Love). It just means usually that the movie's subject matter is politically correct enough for the Academy. Especially if it's a pretentious, predictable saccharine ****pile about racism.
Polaris Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 5,168	__________________ "There's vastly more truth to be found in rocks than in holy books. Rocks are far superior, in fact, because you can DEMONSTRATE the truth found in rocks. Plus, they're pretty. Holy books are just heavy." - Dinwar "Roy Moore of Alabama. The world would absolutely benefit by him being run over by any vehicle." - Lowpro

15th January 2013, 06:04 PM	#215
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details... Posts: 28,505	Originally Posted by Polaris Of course I'm projecting my own tastes! Movies are subjective. But just because something's popular doesn't make it good. Lots of people eat at Burger King and watch The Jersey Shore, after all. Likewise, just because a movie wins Best Picture doesn't mean it's good (see also: American Beauty and Shakespeare In Love). It just means usually that the movie's subject matter is politically correct enough for the Academy. Especially if it's a pretentious, predictable saccharine ****pile about racism. I don't deny the politics involved, but there's usually at least technical merits to the nominees. That's what I meant by 'useful'.
	__________________ The Onmyouza Theatre, An unofficial international fanclub forum dedicated to the Japanese heavy metal band Onmyo-Za: "In the interests of time and space, it is not unreasonable to cite one point at a time. Citing 30 is the equivalent of citing none. Obviously." - Robert Prey "Physical evidence must be observed and interpreted by witnesses which makes it subjective and subject to mistakes and to fraud." - Robert Prey