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14th October 2007, 07:42 PM | #1 |
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No Witnesses to Planes Hitting the WTC
After a year of experiencing the 9/11 fantasy movement in its various guises, I still retain my initial amazement at the lengths to which some people will go to create an alternate reality. Here is a determined, if deranged, attempt to show that nobody actually saw planes hit the Towers:
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cm...=134&Itemid=60 Please note that he seriously (?) contends that there were 117 people close enough to be witnesses. What could persuade such a person that there were thousands? |
14th October 2007, 08:02 PM | #2 |
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This guy can't be serious...?! There were 50,000 people in the buildings themselves. Not everyone who saw the plane can be interviewed on television for Christ's sake.
The odd thing, though, is that the Pentagon no-planers will also dismiss this guy as crazy, without seeing the irony. |
14th October 2007, 08:07 PM | #3 |
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Looks like the one on top has a magazine, thus needs less reloading. Also, the muzzle shroud makes it less likely for a spree killer to burn his hands. The pistol grip makes it more comfortable for the spree killer to shoot. thaiboxerken |
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14th October 2007, 08:35 PM | #5 |
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Ace has relatives across the pond?
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14th October 2007, 11:17 PM | #6 |
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14th October 2007, 11:41 PM | #8 |
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Do any websites carry a decent list of witness accounts to the impacts on WTC.
HAd a troofer arguing that not a single person saw a plane hit the building. |
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14th October 2007, 11:58 PM | #9 |
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15th October 2007, 12:02 AM | #10 |
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For debunkers, the lack of any sound of demolition charges going off is a pretty clear sign that the collapses happened naturally as the structure failed. For this guy, the lack of any sound of demolition charges going off is a pretty clear sign that laser guns from outer space did it. |
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15th October 2007, 12:21 AM | #11 |
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I'm pretty sure that termites brought the buildings down. No, I didn't misspell thermite.
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15th October 2007, 01:03 AM | #12 |
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Some Flight 11 witnesses here
Some Flight 175 witnesses here They're mostly people who saw the planes, though I've also included one or two accounts from people who only heard something. |
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15th October 2007, 03:36 AM | #14 |
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I've known the niece of an eyewitness since 1981/ 82... Known her since I was 3.
Her uncle (Paul Berriff) saw flight 175 crash into WTC2 with his own eyes. He was injured in the attack. He's also a film maker, though I doubt that truther's would be interested in his factual documentary about the firefighters, which does not promote conspiracy theories, but simply tells their story... |
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Misinformation agents..... 99.99% of people who question the official story will tell you that this is misinformation also. This should be a no brainer.
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15th October 2007, 10:20 AM | #17 |
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There were no witnesses, because all the witnesses who saw the plane are lying.
There is no evidence of a plane at all, because all that evidence was faked. This would be simple to prove except all the real evidence has been covered-up, and why would there be a cover-up if there wasn't a conspiracy? Q.E.D. |
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16th October 2007, 03:32 PM | #24 |
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I think that if you took those who believe there were no planes and those who believe the planes were remote-controlled and put them in the same room, both sides wouldn't come to any logical realization, except, maybe, each respective side would believe they are more right than the other.
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16th October 2007, 07:36 PM | #25 |
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I know people who saw at least one of the two planes hit the towers.
Some of the videotape of 175 hitting was that of normal people with videocameras. Tens of thousands of people saw the plane in person. They are all in on it. |
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22nd October 2007, 09:37 AM | #27 |
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I'm a truther. I don't know anyone else that believes this no-plane *l****. I think it's misinformation.
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So does that mean you believe in remote controlled planes?
Or that the "hijackers" were US Black Ops on a suicide mission? Or that rather than just shred evidence of knowing about the plot months before 9/11, perform a CD of WTC 7, where this evidence just so happened to be kept? Which is it? Let me guess what you will say: "I don't know, but I sure don't believe the OCT" |
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Welcome to the forums, apacherose.
Don't forget that, as mentioned above, there are many truthers (although their numbers seem to be dwindling) who don't think a plane hit the Pentagon or crashed in Pennsylvania. They are every bit as kooky as the WTC no-planers. Please cut out the "misinformation" paranoia, and face the fact that some people are just stupid or cruel or delusional or all of the above. |
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