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4th December 2012, 06:16 PM | #401 |
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making unsupported claims against a dead man is pretty low on the totem pole of "anti skepticism" (somewhere above Holocaust deniers and Truthers, but somewhere below AGW deniers and Bigfooters)
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Yes I'd like to see them too, particularly as the Galactic escape velocity at the Solar System's radial position is about 1000 km/s, and the fastest we have ever accelerated a rocket to is 16.26 km/s (New Horizons mission to Pluto launched January 2006). By my math, that makes it over 60 times too slow.
justintime's "next generation of rockets" will have to be light-years (literally) ahead of what we have now. Even a spacecraft travelling at 90% of C will take something like 40,000 years just to reach the edge |
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Something seemed wonky with this speculation to me, because I was under the impression that 'The Roswell Incident' did not become known outside Roswell until the late 50s/early 60s.
I was wrong. It was the late 70s, when Stanton Friedman dug up Jesse Marcell in 1978. So Sagan and the Green Bank Conference(SETI) had no connexion to Roswell. |
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I feel sorry for you, that you think this is something you could get away with saying. You have gone from pathetic to bathetic--you have three, and only three, reasonable options:
1. Provide a reliable source for these magical intergalactic rockets. Book, chapter, verse, or it didn't happen. 2. Throw yourself on the mercy of the forum, and admit that your braggadocio and hubris led your ego to write a check reality can't cash. Admit it was a fabrication out of thin air, or remarkable carelessness, and hope that the forum is in a forgiving mood. 3. Try to pretend we did not understand what you meant. Blame your claim on our lack of comprehension. Pretend we just don't get it. Try to lie your way out of it, and change the subject...and live with the fact that you have exposed your true colors for all to see. Ooops--there is one more option. You could just go away. I'm curious to see upon which one you will settle. |
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4th December 2012, 07:39 PM | #408 |
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Which simple proves his early obsession with flying saucers and aliens were even less founded because Roswell was what gave an impetus to UFOs. Maybe he got his impressions from early Mayan readings about UFOs and aliens which makes him even less credible than his public records.
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Okay, come clean. This is some kind of class assignment right? See what kind of outrageous illogical, non-sensical drivel you can post until everyone figures out that there's no way you could be serious? After all, there's no way anyone could possibly be as obtuse as your postings make you out to be. Not a bad attempt, but really, did you think anyone was going to take you seriously, ragging on Sagan with such ludicrous accusations. You should have made it at least plausible.
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"Political correctness is a doctrine,...,which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." "I pointed out that his argument was wrong in every particular, but he rightfully took me to task for attacking only the weak points." Myriad http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=6853275#post6853275 |
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"Political correctness is a doctrine,...,which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." "I pointed out that his argument was wrong in every particular, but he rightfully took me to task for attacking only the weak points." Myriad http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=6853275#post6853275 |
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"1938?" What about 1898? Naturally though H.G. Wells believed or must have had some 'obsession' with UFO's and invading aliens, vengeful submariners, invisible men, changing animals to be almost human, time travel, and a world war dominated by air power, since he evidently wrote fictional stories about them.
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Future Space Travel
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The Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy is only some 70,000 light years from us. So as long as this next generation can travel at a large percentage of the speed of light, it's only an incredibly long trip. Of course, the Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy is kind of rinky dink, so if you want to go to a cool galaxy like M31 you'll have to hang in there for almost three million years. Better bring something to read.
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As per usual, your cite does not support your claims. You said: And compounded the silliness with: The link you provided, ...is a speculative, sensationalist article about "solar sails". Not "rockets". Certainly not "intergalactic rockets" with "launching pad (sic) based on distant planets". Did you even read the article? The "solar sail" concept has been around a long time. At its most effective, a solar-sail-powered craft might reach up to "5 times the speed of a conventional rocket"(notice that "solar sail craft are not"rockets")...and that only within a solar system. In interstellar space, the solar sail would not develop any significant power. I know maths can be confusing, but that means a solar-sail-powered craft would still only reach about 1/12 of galactic escape velocity. So, do you have the plans for the intergalactic rockets you claimed, or was this just another...((what's a polite word?) "exaggeration" of reality, with no basis in fact? |
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Have to scale back the intergalactic travel to interstellar travel.
NASA's 100-Year Starship Project Sets Sights on Interstellar Travel http://www.space.com/11200-nasa-100-...ar-travel.html |
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I hear Mitch McConnell has plans to build his own Death Star. He just doesn't have that capability yet.
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You can say, "I got caught in a lie--there are no plans for 'intergalactic rockets', I just hoped that no one on a forum full of space-happy science fiction fans would know that".
Instead of pretending that you are "ahead of NASA". ...not that you need to admit the obvious, Rocket-Boy. |
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ahead of NASA eh?
design me a spacecraft capable of traveling to Venus and back (with applicable flight path trajectories and burn times) I'll give you a few days (and no high detail blueprints required, just a rough sketch with applicable notes) should be a piece of cake for an engineering genius such as yourself eh? ETA: 3 man crew, no lander, just an orbiter is required thanx! |
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Two questions, justintime, which you may understandably prefer not to answer: a) how old are you; and b) is English your first language (I'm guessing not)?
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