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4th December 2012, 10:31 PM | #441 |
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You have made some pretty idiotic statements about what you believe in this thread, and they have been related to space travel and the existence of extraterrestrial life. If you don't see the relation to your statements on Carl Sagan, then your posts are even more worthless. |
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Why do you have to make up things? Carl Sagan was obsessed with flying saucers and aliens. Read his biography. It is well documented. Proof of his obsession. He spent 50 years looking for them. The program was called SETI.
Here is what Carl Sagan said about UFOs
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He's dead, I expect such a further misrepresentation, much as a further representation, can't be enacted by him other than already done.
What if you have simply misrepresented him? Perhaps you expect to take the mantle of representing him? Either way he's still just dead and all that's enacted here is still just you. Do with that what you will. |
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The Mayans did not report encounters with extraterrestrials. It was the fraudster Erich von Daniken who proposed this, based on his somewhat unique and misguided interpretation of certain Mayan artefacts. As far as Carl Sagan goes, I challenge you to find (name/link) any reference material from a reliable, scholarly source that he was obsessed with UFOs beyond his teenage and young adult years. |
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His biography mentions the balancing act he had to maintain between his public and private beliefs. UFOs enthusiast could not understand why he was looking for aliens everywhere but HERE.
He never said anything in the affirmative. So one could take it either way. Example. He would go into great details about UFOs but then conclude there was no evidence and therefore not believable. It is best to read his biographies and draw your own conclusions. |
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Maybe you should read the link about Mayan encounters with Aliens.
http://weeklyworldnews.com/aliens/38...t-with-aliens/ How do you separate Carl Sagan fascination with aliens and flying saucers at 17 and his continued interest in looking for them for the next 50 years. That by any definition is an obsession. Whether it was alien visiting earth or aliens in some remote planet. It was aliens all the same. If he switched his career to looking for gold instead we can say he got over his obsession. But he did not. We are not talking about evidence of UFOs or aliens because neither have been found. We are talking about his obsession with them because he carried it throughout his life. All he ever talked about were aliens. |
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You don't know what you are talking about and you have absolutely no credibility in this thread.
Or have you given up you belief in intergalactic rocketships and Mayans being visited by aliens? You know virtually nothing of the universe compared to Carl Sagan. Your opinion is crap, as demonstrated in this thread. Prove me wrong. |
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The defining characteristic of sceptics is that they look at the evidence before deciding what to (provisionally) believe. A creationist could describe himself as an evolution sceptic, but that wouldn't make him one. Likewise climate change "sceptics" are people who deny overwhelming evidence in order to continue to believe what they want to believe - the very opposite of sceptics.
Justin needs to distinguish between pseudosceptics and genuine sceptics. Some of what he says may well be true of pseudosceptics, but it certainly isn't true of real sceptics. |
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So are you claiming that Mayans did encounter "Aliens"?
"aliens all the same" indeed, but "flying saucers" where exactly was he looking for them "for the next 50 years"? Why do you equate the two? Wouldn't just spending his entire "career to looking for gold instead" be "his obsession" then? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sa...entific_career PhD in astronomy and astrophysics in 1960 and a thesis on the origins of life with physical chemist H. C. Urey after working in the laboratory of the geneticist H. J. Muller, surely "UFOs or aliens" must have been "All he ever talked about". |
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I'd love to believe in the paranormal, an afterlife, all sorts of things, but I don't because there's no evidence for them.
Sceptics have the same human needs as everyone else but they make a conscious effort to recognise and allow for their own biases in order to find out what's really true. It's hard, and we all fail occasionally, but at least we try. |
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I get the impression that he thinks the scientific method can't be accomplished without lab coats, flasks,beakers and lots of colorful fluids and smoke.
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I said a scholarly source (such as New Scientist, Scientific American, the American Journal of Archaeology, Nature, the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Proceedings of the Royal Society, Science; even the Christian Science Monitor); genuine, reliable and trustworthy sources that carry "peer-reviewed" articles not the unbridled speculation and fabricated pseudo-science that is prevalent in the sensationalist gutter press you have cited here.
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If he had any obsession at all, it was that he was worried that we were heading down the path to self destruction. The "Pale Blue Dot" was not just a catchphrase, it had real meaning for him.
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Ooohh, that exposed him somewhat cruelly. Wait for the handwave now!! |
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