Neutrons Escaping to a Parallel World

levi · 18th June 2012, 05:54 PM

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0615104347.htm

"Theoretical physicists Zurab Berezhiani and Fabrizio Nesti from the University of l'Aquila, Italy, reanalysed the experimental data obtained by the research group of Anatoly Serebrov at the Institut Laue-Langevin, France. It showed that the loss rate of very slow free neutrons appeared to depend on the direction and strength of the magnetic field applied. This anomaly could not be explained by known physics.

Berezhiani believes it could be interpreted in the light of a hypothetical parallel world consisting of mirror particles. Each neutron would have the ability to transition into its invisible mirror twin, and back, oscillating from one world to the other. The probability of such a transition happening was predicted to be sensitive to the presence of magnetic fields, and could therefore be detected experimentally.

This neutron-mirror-neutron oscillation could occur within a timescale of a few seconds, according to the paper. The possibility of such a fast disappearance of neutrons -- much faster than the ten-minute long neutron decay -- albeit surprising, could not be excluded by existing experimental and astrophysical limits.

This interpretation is subject to the condition that the earth possesses a mirror magnetic field on the order of 0.1 Gauss. Such a field could be induced by mirror particles floating around in the galaxy as dark matter. Hypothetically, the earth could capture the mirror matter via some feeble interactions between ordinary particles and those from parallel worlds."

To start off the claims are outlandish. But how long would it take to test for the mirror magnet field that the earth may possess? And if this is not true does that mean the parellel universe theory becomes false again? Even though the claim of parallel universe is outlandish.

GodMark2 · 18th June 2012, 07:42 PM

As we learned with the FTL neutrinos and cold fusion: Step 1 is to replicate the data. Once that's been done, speculating about causes is warranted.

This group was reanalyzing data gathered by someone else, possibly without knowing all the conditions and caveats the data was contingent on. What they're reporting may simply be an artifact of their technique.

levi · 18th June 2012, 09:16 PM

How long would it take to try to replicate the data?

And how long would it take to test if there is mirror magnetic field?

LSSBB · 18th June 2012, 09:24 PM

That's also where one sock of every pair goes.

CORed · 19th June 2012, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by LSSBB

That's also where one sock of every pair goes.

So there is another universe where extra socks mysteriously appear in the dryer?

Careyp74 · 19th June 2012, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by GodMark2

As we learned with the FTL neutrinos and cold fusion: Step 1 is to replicate the data. Once that's been done, speculating about causes is warranted.

This group was reanalyzing data gathered by someone else, possibly without knowing all the conditions and caveats the data was contingent on. What they're reporting may simply be an artifact of their technique.

In light of recent events, I think step one in cases like this should be to check for any loose cables.

DrDave · 19th June 2012, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by CORed

So there is another universe where extra socks mysteriously appear in the dryer?

Yep, they lose the wire coat hangers from their wardrobes which appear mysteriously in ours to balance things out

quarky · 20th June 2012, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by CORed

So there is another universe where extra socks mysteriously appear in the dryer?

Yes, but there's never a matched pair.

DC · 20th June 2012, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by CORed

So there is another universe where extra socks mysteriously appear in the dryer?

yeah the sock industry there suffers from that a big deal

Correa Neto · 20th June 2012, 07:57 AM

This explains Spock's goatee...

That was my reaction when I read it.

Madalch · 20th June 2012, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by CORed

So there is another universe where extra socks mysteriously appear in the dryer?

Yes, and if you can find a way there to find all the world's missing socks, you will be awarded ten million dollars and the Nobel Peace Prize.

Just make sure you don't stay in the alternate universe too long, or you'll implode.

dafydd · 20th June 2012, 12:53 PM

Do socks come into being via pair creation?

quarky · 20th June 2012, 01:36 PM

A lot of the missing socks weren't that great to start with.
Mine, for instance, were mostly 3/$1 tube socks.

Same with the pens.
Crappy bics, frankly.

Guitar pics are the other main thing they evidently need lots of in the parallel universe.
So, I kind of trust them.
They seem humble in their needs.

dafydd · 20th June 2012, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by quarky

A lot of the missing socks weren't that great to start with.
Mine, for instance, were mostly 3/$1 tube socks.

Same with the pens.
Crappy bics, frankly.

Guitar pics are the other main thing they evidently need lots of in the parallel universe.
So, I kind of trust them.
They seem humble in their needs.

I bought two hundred guitar picks two years ago. I have about three left.

MostlyHarmless · 20th June 2012, 02:46 PM

Sunglasses too. What do they have, eight heads over there?

Andrew Wiggin · 20th June 2012, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Careyp74

In light of recent events, I think step one in cases like this should be to check for any loose cables.

Check to see if a strong magnetic field has an effect on the sensors too. I'd suspect that before I'd suspect that neutrons would be disappearing to a parallel universe, because first you'd have to accept as a given that a parallel universe existed.

Multivac · 21st June 2012, 01:49 AM

What about biros? It has been proven - almost - that biros can travel through wormholes to a planet where they can lead a peculiarly biroid lifestyle. This is an extract from the journal that describes the phenomena:

Quote:

One of these supposedly relates the experiences of one Veet Voojagig, a quiet young student at the University of Maximegalon who pursued a brilliant academic career studying ancient philology, transformational ethics, and the wave harmonic theory of historical perception, and then, after a night of drinking Pan-Galactic Gargle Blasters with Zaphod Beeblebrox, became increasingly obsessed with the problem of what had happened to all the biros he bought over the past few years. There followed a long period of painstaking research during which he visited all the major centres of biro-loss through out the galaxy, and eventually came up with a rather quaint little theory which quite caught the public imagination at the time. Somewhere in the cosmos, he said, along with all the planets inhabited by Humanoids, reptiloids, fishoids, walking treeoids, and super-intelligent shades of the colour blue, there was also a planet entirely given over to biro life-forms. And it was to this planet that unattended biros would make their way. Slipping quietly through wormholes in space to a world where they knew they could enjoy a uniquely biroid lifestyle. Responding to highly biroid-orientated stimuli, in fact, leading the Biro equivalent of the good life. And as theories go, this was all very fine and pleasant, until Veet Voojagig suddenly claimed to have found this planet and to have worked there for a while, driving a limousine for a family of cheap green retractables. Where upon he was taken away, locked-up, wrote a book, and was finally sent into tax exile, which is the usual fate reserved for those who are determined to make a fool of themselves in public. When one day an expedition was sent to the spatial coordinates that Voojagig had claimed for this planet, they discovered only a small asteroid inhabited by a solitary old man who claimed repeatedly that nothing was true.

The full text can be found here:

http://www.clivebanks.co.uk/THHGTTG/THHGTTGradio3.htm

18th June 2012, 05:54 PM	#1
levi Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 472	Neutrons Escaping to a Parallel World http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0615104347.htm "Theoretical physicists Zurab Berezhiani and Fabrizio Nesti from the University of l'Aquila, Italy, reanalysed the experimental data obtained by the research group of Anatoly Serebrov at the Institut Laue-Langevin, France. It showed that the loss rate of very slow free neutrons appeared to depend on the direction and strength of the magnetic field applied. This anomaly could not be explained by known physics. Berezhiani believes it could be interpreted in the light of a hypothetical parallel world consisting of mirror particles. Each neutron would have the ability to transition into its invisible mirror twin, and back, oscillating from one world to the other. The probability of such a transition happening was predicted to be sensitive to the presence of magnetic fields, and could therefore be detected experimentally. This neutron-mirror-neutron oscillation could occur within a timescale of a few seconds, according to the paper. The possibility of such a fast disappearance of neutrons -- much faster than the ten-minute long neutron decay -- albeit surprising, could not be excluded by existing experimental and astrophysical limits. This interpretation is subject to the condition that the earth possesses a mirror magnetic field on the order of 0.1 Gauss. Such a field could be induced by mirror particles floating around in the galaxy as dark matter. Hypothetically, the earth could capture the mirror matter via some feeble interactions between ordinary particles and those from parallel worlds." To start off the claims are outlandish. But how long would it take to test for the mirror magnet field that the earth may possess? And if this is not true does that mean the parellel universe theory becomes false again? Even though the claim of parallel universe is outlandish.
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18th June 2012, 07:42 PM	#2
GodMark2 Graduate Poster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 1,043	As we learned with the FTL neutrinos and cold fusion: Step 1 is to replicate the data. Once that's been done, speculating about causes is warranted. This group was reanalyzing data gathered by someone else, possibly without knowing all the conditions and caveats the data was contingent on. What they're reporting may simply be an artifact of their technique.
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18th June 2012, 09:16 PM	#3
levi Critical Thinker Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 472	How long would it take to try to replicate the data? And how long would it take to test if there is mirror magnetic field?
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19th June 2012, 11:34 AM	#5
CORed Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,291	Originally Posted by LSSBB That's also where one sock of every pair goes. So there is another universe where extra socks mysteriously appear in the dryer?
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19th June 2012, 11:47 AM	#6
Careyp74 Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Trevose, PA Posts: 3,407	Originally Posted by GodMark2 As we learned with the FTL neutrinos and cold fusion: Step 1 is to replicate the data. Once that's been done, speculating about causes is warranted. This group was reanalyzing data gathered by someone else, possibly without knowing all the conditions and caveats the data was contingent on. What they're reporting may simply be an artifact of their technique. In light of recent events, I think step one in cases like this should be to check for any loose cables.

19th June 2012, 12:39 PM	#7
DrDave Guest Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 3,110	Originally Posted by CORed So there is another universe where extra socks mysteriously appear in the dryer? Yep, they lose the wire coat hangers from their wardrobes which appear mysteriously in ours to balance things out

20th June 2012, 06:37 AM	#8
quarky Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20,454	Originally Posted by CORed So there is another universe where extra socks mysteriously appear in the dryer? Yes, but there's never a matched pair.
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Madalch The Jester Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The wet coast. Posts: 8,706	Originally Posted by CORed So there is another universe where extra socks mysteriously appear in the dryer? Yes, and if you can find a way there to find all the world's missing socks, you will be awarded ten million dollars and the Nobel Peace Prize. Just make sure you don't stay in the alternate universe too long, or you'll implode.
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quarky Banned Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 20,454	A lot of the missing socks weren't that great to start with. Mine, for instance, were mostly 3/$1 tube socks. Same with the pens. Crappy bics, frankly. Guitar pics are the other main thing they evidently need lots of in the parallel universe. So, I kind of trust them. They seem humble in their needs.
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20th June 2012, 02:02 PM	#14
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,480	Originally Posted by quarky A lot of the missing socks weren't that great to start with. Mine, for instance, were mostly 3/$1 tube socks. Same with the pens. Crappy bics, frankly. Guitar pics are the other main thing they evidently need lots of in the parallel universe. So, I kind of trust them. They seem humble in their needs. I bought two hundred guitar picks two years ago. I have about three left.
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Andrew Wiggin Master Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: A small planet named for its dirt. You'll find it filed under 'mostly harmless' Posts: 2,914	Originally Posted by Careyp74 In light of recent events, I think step one in cases like this should be to check for any loose cables. Check to see if a strong magnetic field has an effect on the sensors too. I'd suspect that before I'd suspect that neutrons would be disappearing to a parallel universe, because first you'd have to accept as a given that a parallel universe existed.
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21st June 2012, 01:49 AM	#17
Multivac Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,928	What about biros? It has been proven - almost - that biros can travel through wormholes to a planet where they can lead a peculiarly biroid lifestyle. This is an extract from the journal that describes the phenomena: Quote: One of these supposedly relates the experiences of one Veet Voojagig, a quiet young student at the University of Maximegalon who pursued a brilliant academic career studying ancient philology, transformational ethics, and the wave harmonic theory of historical perception, and then, after a night of drinking Pan-Galactic Gargle Blasters with Zaphod Beeblebrox, became increasingly obsessed with the problem of what had happened to all the biros he bought over the past few years. There followed a long period of painstaking research during which he visited all the major centres of biro-loss through out the galaxy, and eventually came up with a rather quaint little theory which quite caught the public imagination at the time. Somewhere in the cosmos, he said, along with all the planets inhabited by Humanoids, reptiloids, fishoids, walking treeoids, and super-intelligent shades of the colour blue, there was also a planet entirely given over to biro life-forms. And it was to this planet that unattended biros would make their way. Slipping quietly through wormholes in space to a world where they knew they could enjoy a uniquely biroid lifestyle. Responding to highly biroid-orientated stimuli, in fact, leading the Biro equivalent of the good life. And as theories go, this was all very fine and pleasant, until Veet Voojagig suddenly claimed to have found this planet and to have worked there for a while, driving a limousine for a family of cheap green retractables. Where upon he was taken away, locked-up, wrote a book, and was finally sent into tax exile, which is the usual fate reserved for those who are determined to make a fool of themselves in public. When one day an expedition was sent to the spatial coordinates that Voojagig had claimed for this planet, they discovered only a small asteroid inhabited by a solitary old man who claimed repeatedly that nothing was true. The full text can be found here: http://www.clivebanks.co.uk/THHGTTG/THHGTTGradio3.htm