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24th December 2012, 08:31 AM | #1 |
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Gun rights: Going to arm the firemen now?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...-shot/1788917/
Fire spread to three homes. Sniper opened fire as soon as fire crews arrived.
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24th December 2012, 08:36 AM | #3 |
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And I've become convinced that guns have nothing to do with all these shootings.
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24th December 2012, 08:51 AM | #4 |
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I am curious to know if the gunman was opportunistic, or set the blaze to attract targets. However, this does not seem to be random spree killing, like some of the other recent shootings. This seems much more targeted, like the gunman had a grudge (real or perceived) with that fire department or with firemen in general.
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24th December 2012, 08:53 AM | #5 |
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I guessed a horrible crime was committed, like some guy killing his family to save them, and shot the people who came to help just to be sure everything burned.
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...so he burned down three people's houses over his spat with the fire department? Seems like fairly random targeting to me.
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24th December 2012, 08:59 AM | #9 |
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After all, guns don't kill people. People shooting loaded guns aimed at people kill people.
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24th December 2012, 09:08 AM | #10 |
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Merry Christmas, Delta Bravo. If you have a pause from dancing on graves you may want to notice that the trend is for first responder unions to ask for firearms.
ARMED FIREFIGHTERS? Some Firefighters Want Guns On Job
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24th December 2012, 09:17 AM | #11 |
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"Union rules"? You make it sound like it's some form of greed or red tape, when in fact you are describing fear (if this is even true) on the part of firemen that there are people with guns in places they need to work. You're actually reinforcing the contention that there's a gun problem in America.
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[NRA] "We need armed guards at every house in America, in case it catches fire; that way our firefighters will be safe." [/NRA]
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If only Piers Morgan had been deported already this wouldn't have happened.
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24th December 2012, 10:22 AM | #16 |
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I guess the NRA will suggest arming firefighters now.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/firefighter...ry?id=18055594
Four firefighters show while responding to a call... |
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24th December 2012, 10:27 AM | #17 |
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Just saw that on a news site. What the heck is going on? Were the shooters captured? Was the fire set for the purpose of luring in victims? Argh.
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Mandatory arms for everybody over 18, and bring down the crime rate to zero.
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24th December 2012, 10:47 AM | #19 |
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Shooter is dead from a gunshot wound. Not yet reporting whether it was self inflicted.
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24th December 2012, 11:04 AM | #21 |
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Those who do not recall the turbulent 70s may not recall that there was quite a spate of various people shooting at responding fire units... Sometimes in the context of wide-spread riots, sometimes from various militant radical types.
I related a case from my own experience where an acquaintance had killed his family, set the home ablaze, and then fired on approaching firefighters... (fortunately he appeared to be just keeping them at bay till the home was fully involved) This sort of thing is not unprecedented and there have been more-or-less serious attempts to arm firefighters in the past. |
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A gun in every
As for the incident, can you imagine if this becomes a trend, and firefighters become reluctant to respond to fires without armed escort? This could result in more people dying in home fires who might otherwise have been rescued. What the hell is wrong with people? |
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Clearly the solution is more guns and lower taxes.
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24th December 2012, 12:08 PM | #26 |
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Why firefighters? Over here its common (or was) for them to have stones thrown at them by kids, its so bizarre - police I can sort of understand the thought pattern but firefighters?
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NRA :if there were no firefighters then there would be no dead firefighters.
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It does seem like he had a personal grudge. It's such an odd crime that I would be surprised to discover he had no prior ,negative, interaction with either the local F.D. or cops.
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In the UK bins or a stolen car will be set alight then the fire engine attacked when it arrives at the scene.
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interesting that when merged, this thread was given the more provocative and untruthful title...
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So, gun violence supporters; Going to arm the firemen now?
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24th December 2012, 01:25 PM | #34 |
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No one on this forum supports gun violence. Dishonest title/poster noted.
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Looks like the one on top has a magazine, thus needs less reloading. Also, the muzzle shroud makes it less likely for a spree killer to burn his hands. The pistol grip makes it more comfortable for the spree killer to shoot. thaiboxerken |
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24th December 2012, 01:38 PM | #36 |
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Blame people, not guns. Given enough time and sunlight, these firefighters could have been assassinated with a magnifying glass.
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24th December 2012, 01:42 PM | #37 |
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This could never happen in the UK.
Except that it could have, but hasn't. Perhaps it's not just the presence of guns after all? |
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Can we give them water canons?
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Looks like the one on top has a magazine, thus needs less reloading. Also, the muzzle shroud makes it less likely for a spree killer to burn his hands. The pistol grip makes it more comfortable for the spree killer to shoot. thaiboxerken |
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