The future of the ''truth'' movement - Page 4

DGM · 25th August 2012, 01:36 PM

So...............120 posts in and still no future for the "truth movement"?

Didn't I say this already?

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...87#post8532387

tsig · 25th August 2012, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by DGM

So...............120 posts in and still no future for the "truth movement"?

Didn't I say this already?

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...87#post8532387

The dustbin of history.

Scott Sommers · 25th August 2012, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by LSSBB

Trutherism is Gnosticism!

An excellent way to put it. In fact, the entire Truth Movement is Gnosticism. It calls itself Knowledge and Truth but has nothing to do with academic research, journals or conferences. Ironically, it's not even about demonstrations and lobby groups. Instead, it is Tony Szamboti sitting around a coffee table talking about how things really are.

Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti

Almost every engineering colleague of mine, who I have shown the details of the WTC collapses to over the past six years, has invariably recognized there are serious problems with the present official stories for the collapses. The only ones that don't are those who have refused to even take a look at it, and they are in the single digits percentage wise.

No Jehovah's Witness door-knocker could have said it better.

LSSBB · 25th August 2012, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Scott Sommers

An excellent way to put it. In fact, the entire Truth Movement is Gnosticism. It calls itself Knowledge and Truth but has nothing to do with academic research, journals or conferences. Ironically, it's not even about demonstrations and lobby groups. Instead, it is Tony Szamboti sitting around a coffee table talking about how things really are.

No Jehovah's Witness door-knocker could have said it better.

Puts the chances of convincing any of them in perspective. We are not the inner circle who know the "Truth", we are part of the evil world of reality as created by the Demiurge. Our words are only corruption. Add in DRG and Gage's Moment on the Road to Damascus, and there you have it.

Scott Sommers · 25th August 2012, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by LSSBB

Puts the chances of convincing any of them in perspective. We are not the inner circle who know the "Truth", we are part of the evil world of reality as created by the Demiurge. Our words are only corruption. Add in DRG and Gage's Moment on the Road to Damascus, and there you have it.

I've become convinced that 9/11 and the corresponding Truth Movement are what's replaced New Age religions from the 1970s and 80s. You saw an idea of spirituality where the revealed truth is modeled around therapy. Now you're seeing one that models truth around conspiracy. The grassroots activists that I talk so much about are increasingly taking on the appearance of religious cults. It's probably not a coincidence that DRG and Gage, both of whom are intensely spiritual men, were instrumental in shaping the contemporary 9/11 Truth Movement.

Clayton Moore · 26th August 2012, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by Scott Sommers

I've become convinced that 9/11 and the corresponding Truth Movement are what's replaced New Age religions from the 1970s and 80s. You saw an idea of spirituality where the revealed truth is modeled around therapy. Now you're seeing one that models truth around conspiracy. The grassroots activists that I talk so much about are increasingly taking on the appearance of religious cults. It's probably not a coincidence that DRG and Gage, both of whom are intensely spiritual men, were instrumental in shaping the contemporary 9/11 Truth Movement.

Eventually the people will realize the MSM and its lies and ignoring of 9/11 are the enemy.

NoahFence · 26th August 2012, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Eventually the people will realize the MSM and its lies and ignoring of 9/11 are the enemy.

You're convieniently leaving out the fact that the vast majority of people didn't require the "MSM" to tell them what happened. Its like the NIST report for crying out loud. I didn't need the NIST report to tell me why WTC 7 fell down. Neither did the firefighters who predicted it that day.

If the MSM and NIST never even existed, everybody who cared would still know exactly why those buildings fell.

Aircraft impacts + Fire.

You people live in blissful, WILLFULL ignorance. You KNOW you're wrong and you don't give a crap. That's pretty friggin sad. Typical for a child. But you're implying you're an adult.

The Platypus · 26th August 2012, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Eventually the people will realize the MSM and its lies and ignoring of 9/11 are the enemy.

Grasping onto crazy delusions doesn't help you.

dafydd · 26th August 2012, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Eventually the people will realize the MSM and its lies and ignoring of 9/11 are the enemy.

When?

A W Smith · 26th August 2012, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Eventually the people will realize the MSM and its lies and ignoring of 9/11 are the enemy.

Oh I am sure all your fellow patients in your ward will! then evening comes around and they take their meds again

Orphia Nay · 26th August 2012, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Eventually the people will realize the MSM and its lies and ignoring of 9/11 are the enemy.

And we're on the cusp of the Rapture. Any day now. Any day.

dafydd · 26th August 2012, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

And we're on the cusp of the Rapture. Any day now. Any day.

Never. Got it.

beachnut · 26th August 2012, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Eventually the people will realize the MSM and its lies and ignoring of 9/11 are the enemy.

Sounds like something McVeigh would say if he was able. MSM did not ignore 911, you did.

Robrob · 26th August 2012, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Clayton Moore

Eventually the people will realize the MSM and its lies and ignoring of 9/11 are the enemy.

Coming on 11 years now and not a shred of evidence. When are you going to accomplish this "conversion?"

25th August 2012, 01:36 PM	#121
DGM #4 Join Date: May 2007 Location: West of Northshore MA Posts: 14,303	So...............120 posts in and still no future for the "truth movement"? Didn't I say this already? http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...87#post8532387
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25th August 2012, 08:58 PM	#123
Scott Sommers Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,641	Originally Posted by LSSBB Trutherism is Gnosticism! An excellent way to put it. In fact, the entire Truth Movement is Gnosticism. It calls itself Knowledge and Truth but has nothing to do with academic research, journals or conferences. Ironically, it's not even about demonstrations and lobby groups. Instead, it is Tony Szamboti sitting around a coffee table talking about how things really are. Originally Posted by Tony Szamboti Almost every engineering colleague of mine, who I have shown the details of the WTC collapses to over the past six years, has invariably recognized there are serious problems with the present official stories for the collapses. The only ones that don't are those who have refused to even take a look at it, and they are in the single digits percentage wise. No Jehovah's Witness door-knocker could have said it better.
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25th August 2012, 09:48 PM	#124
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelor's Grove Cemetery Posts: 4,490	Originally Posted by Scott Sommers An excellent way to put it. In fact, the entire Truth Movement is Gnosticism. It calls itself Knowledge and Truth but has nothing to do with academic research, journals or conferences. Ironically, it's not even about demonstrations and lobby groups. Instead, it is Tony Szamboti sitting around a coffee table talking about how things really are. No Jehovah's Witness door-knocker could have said it better. Puts the chances of convincing any of them in perspective. We are not the inner circle who know the "Truth", we are part of the evil world of reality as created by the Demiurge. Our words are only corruption. Add in DRG and Gage's Moment on the Road to Damascus, and there you have it.
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25th August 2012, 10:47 PM	#125
Scott Sommers Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,641	Originally Posted by LSSBB Puts the chances of convincing any of them in perspective. We are not the inner circle who know the "Truth", we are part of the evil world of reality as created by the Demiurge. Our words are only corruption. Add in DRG and Gage's Moment on the Road to Damascus, and there you have it. I've become convinced that 9/11 and the corresponding Truth Movement are what's replaced New Age religions from the 1970s and 80s. You saw an idea of spirituality where the revealed truth is modeled around therapy. Now you're seeing one that models truth around conspiracy. The grassroots activists that I talk so much about are increasingly taking on the appearance of religious cults. It's probably not a coincidence that DRG and Gage, both of whom are intensely spiritual men, were instrumental in shaping the contemporary 9/11 Truth Movement.
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26th August 2012, 12:44 AM	#126
Clayton Moore Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 6,166	Originally Posted by Scott Sommers I've become convinced that 9/11 and the corresponding Truth Movement are what's replaced New Age religions from the 1970s and 80s. You saw an idea of spirituality where the revealed truth is modeled around therapy. Now you're seeing one that models truth around conspiracy. The grassroots activists that I talk so much about are increasingly taking on the appearance of religious cults. It's probably not a coincidence that DRG and Gage, both of whom are intensely spiritual men, were instrumental in shaping the contemporary 9/11 Truth Movement. Eventually the people will realize the MSM and its lies and ignoring of 9/11 are the enemy.
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25th August 2012, 02:58 PM	#122
tsig a carbon based life-form Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26,642	Originally Posted by DGM So...............120 posts in and still no future for the "truth movement"? Didn't I say this already? http://forums.randi.org/showthread.p...87#post8532387 The dustbin of history.

26th August 2012, 06:58 AM	#127
NoahFence Psycho Kitty Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 9,292	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Eventually the people will realize the MSM and its lies and ignoring of 9/11 are the enemy. You're convieniently leaving out the fact that the vast majority of people didn't require the "MSM" to tell them what happened. Its like the NIST report for crying out loud. I didn't need the NIST report to tell me why WTC 7 fell down. Neither did the firefighters who predicted it that day. If the MSM and NIST never even existed, everybody who cared would still know exactly why those buildings fell. Aircraft impacts + Fire. You people live in blissful, WILLFULL ignorance. You KNOW you're wrong and you don't give a crap. That's pretty friggin sad. Typical for a child. But you're implying you're an adult.
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26th August 2012, 08:21 AM	#128
The Platypus Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,789	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Eventually the people will realize the MSM and its lies and ignoring of 9/11 are the enemy. Grasping onto crazy delusions doesn't help you.
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26th August 2012, 10:06 AM	#129
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,441	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Eventually the people will realize the MSM and its lies and ignoring of 9/11 are the enemy. When?
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26th August 2012, 03:59 PM	#130
A W Smith Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Jersey Posts: 7,031	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Eventually the people will realize the MSM and its lies and ignoring of 9/11 are the enemy. Oh I am sure all your fellow patients in your ward will! then evening comes around and they take their meds again
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26th August 2012, 04:03 PM	#131
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 28,339	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Eventually the people will realize the MSM and its lies and ignoring of 9/11 are the enemy. And we're on the cusp of the Rapture. Any day now. Any day.
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26th August 2012, 04:06 PM	#132
dafydd Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belgium (Flatland) Posts: 31,441	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay And we're on the cusp of the Rapture. Any day now. Any day. Never. Got it.
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26th August 2012, 05:30 PM	#133
beachnut Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dog House Posts: 19,881	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Eventually the people will realize the MSM and its lies and ignoring of 9/11 are the enemy. Sounds like something McVeigh would say if he was able. MSM did not ignore 911, you did.

26th August 2012, 05:54 PM	#134
Robrob Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,660	Originally Posted by Clayton Moore Eventually the people will realize the MSM and its lies and ignoring of 9/11 are the enemy. Coming on 11 years now and not a shred of evidence. When are you going to accomplish this "conversion?"
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