Gunman Opens Fire in Phoenix - Page 5

triforcharity · 6th February 2013, 08:19 PM

There's evidence, I guarantee it. Go find it and back up your conclusion.

I'll stick to the people who were there, saw the evidence (bullet trajectory tells a lot_

Meantime, show evidence that you used to conclude that the guy is lying. I'll wait. You let me know if you need some help.

thaiboxerken · 6th February 2013, 08:22 PM

How does bullet trajectory show that the robber pointed a gun?
I'm not concluding the guy is lying, but his story is very hard to believe.

fuelair · 6th February 2013, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by Unabogie

Actually, and this is from memory, didn't he force some of them to drink the poison? I seem to recall some of them were also shot.

/derail

According to testimony from survivors that is correct.

triforcharity · 6th February 2013, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

How does bullet trajectory show that the robber pointed a gun?
I'm not concluding the guy is lying, but his story is very hard to believe.

The robber would need to turn to aim, which would present a different portion of his body towards the guy. Then, when the good guy shoots his gun, the bullet enters the body differently, at a different angle, showing that he was turned with his gun in his hand. If he was simply running away, only his back would be presented towards the guy, and as such, would show he was not turned to aim and shoot.

You aren't concluding the guy is lying? So, what's this?

"Nonsense. The victim is probably telling a lie about that. " Your words, not mine.

PhantomWolf · 6th February 2013, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

I know how deadly a can of gas can be.

If you pour them on the floor and set fire to the petrol then yes, otherwise, they aren't that deadly at all. Gas Cylinders on the other hand, if in a fire, but they are rather hard to set off with a rag burning or otherwise.

Quote:

I also know how to make a FAE with the listed components. Sorry if you feel, or think, differently.

How exactly do you aerosolize the petrol with a can, a rag, and a lighter?

thaiboxerken · 6th February 2013, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by triforcharity

The robber would need to turn to aim, which would present a different portion of his body towards the guy. Then, when the good guy shoots his gun, the bullet enters the body differently, at a different angle, showing that he was turned with his gun in his hand. If he was simply running away, only his back would be presented towards the guy, and as such, would show he was not turned to aim and shoot.

You aren't concluding the guy is lying? So, what's this?

"Nonsense. The victim is probably telling a lie about that. " Your words, not mine.

The victim is probably telling a lie = I doubt the victim's story.

Turning to see if there is pursuit would also present the same trajectory.

I thought the robber got away, btw. Was I wrong?

fuelair · 7th February 2013, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by PhantomWolf

If you pour them on the floor and set fire to the petrol then yes, otherwise, they aren't that deadly at all. Gas Cylinders on the other hand, if in a fire, but they are rather hard to set off with a rag burning or otherwise.

How exactly do you aerosolize the petrol with a can, a rag, and a lighter?

Probably from a source equivalent to The Anarchist's Cookbook - which if you use it to make explosives will almost certainly lead to your rapidly atomised demise.

6th February 2013, 08:19 PM	#161
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,127	There's evidence, I guarantee it. Go find it and back up your conclusion. I'll stick to the people who were there, saw the evidence (bullet trajectory tells a lot_ Meantime, show evidence that you used to conclude that the guy is lying. I'll wait. You let me know if you need some help.
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6th February 2013, 08:22 PM	#162
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 20,952	How does bullet trajectory show that the robber pointed a gun? I'm not concluding the guy is lying, but his story is very hard to believe.
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6th February 2013, 09:00 PM	#163
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,900	Originally Posted by Unabogie Actually, and this is from memory, didn't he force some of them to drink the poison? I seem to recall some of them were also shot. /derail According to testimony from survivors that is correct.
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6th February 2013, 09:12 PM	#164
triforcharity Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The South! Posts: 12,127	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken How does bullet trajectory show that the robber pointed a gun? I'm not concluding the guy is lying, but his story is very hard to believe. The robber would need to turn to aim, which would present a different portion of his body towards the guy. Then, when the good guy shoots his gun, the bullet enters the body differently, at a different angle, showing that he was turned with his gun in his hand. If he was simply running away, only his back would be presented towards the guy, and as such, would show he was not turned to aim and shoot. You aren't concluding the guy is lying? So, what's this? "Nonsense. The victim is probably telling a lie about that. " Your words, not mine.
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6th February 2013, 09:38 PM	#165
PhantomWolf Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Lost Deimos Moon Base Posts: 9,895	Originally Posted by triforcharity I know how deadly a can of gas can be. If you pour them on the floor and set fire to the petrol then yes, otherwise, they aren't that deadly at all. Gas Cylinders on the other hand, if in a fire, but they are rather hard to set off with a rag burning or otherwise. Quote: I also know how to make a FAE with the listed components. Sorry if you feel, or think, differently. How exactly do you aerosolize the petrol with a can, a rag, and a lighter?
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6th February 2013, 09:43 PM	#166
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 20,952	Originally Posted by triforcharity The robber would need to turn to aim, which would present a different portion of his body towards the guy. Then, when the good guy shoots his gun, the bullet enters the body differently, at a different angle, showing that he was turned with his gun in his hand. If he was simply running away, only his back would be presented towards the guy, and as such, would show he was not turned to aim and shoot. You aren't concluding the guy is lying? So, what's this? "Nonsense. The victim is probably telling a lie about that. " Your words, not mine. The victim is probably telling a lie = I doubt the victim's story. Turning to see if there is pursuit would also present the same trajectory. I thought the robber got away, btw. Was I wrong?
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7th February 2013, 09:42 AM	#167
fuelair Cythraul Enfys Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 28,900	Originally Posted by PhantomWolf If you pour them on the floor and set fire to the petrol then yes, otherwise, they aren't that deadly at all. Gas Cylinders on the other hand, if in a fire, but they are rather hard to set off with a rag burning or otherwise. How exactly do you aerosolize the petrol with a can, a rag, and a lighter? Probably from a source equivalent to The Anarchist's Cookbook - which if you use it to make explosives will almost certainly lead to your rapidly atomised demise.
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