I'm working on a new experiment, and I'll post the weekly results here for posterity. - Page 6

mayday · 9th December 2007, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by schlitt

My goodness. Your complete lack of thinking ability never ceases to astonish me.
The way you miss the point so completely, and focus in on one tiny part of the overall picture without being able to see the picture itself, is truly amazing.

Well done.

If some of you folks are as smart as you claim to be you'd know I was just kidding for Pete's sake!

Pixel42 · 10th December 2007, 03:09 AM

Originally Posted by mayday

Gee whiz, I have a lot of practicing to do!

Just out of curiosity, have you set a limit to the amount of practicing you are prepared to do before concluding that a pendulum cannot be used to predict winning lottery numbers?

Professor Yaffle · 10th December 2007, 03:18 AM

I just tried to prepare dinner by going cross eyed and singing the national anthem.

It didn't work.

Gee whiz, I have a lot of practicing to do!

Garrette · 10th December 2007, 05:47 AM

Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle

I just tried to prepare dinner by going cross eyed and singing the national anthem.

It didn't work.

Gee whiz, I have a lot of practicing to do!

I'll say. A ham and cheese omelet just appeared in the skillet on my stove. That's breakfast, not dinner.

mayday · 10th December 2007, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

Just out of curiosity, have you set a limit to the amount of practicing you are prepared to do before concluding that a pendulum cannot be used to predict winning lottery numbers?

No, science is always a work in progress, not a destination.

CFLarsen · 10th December 2007, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by mayday

If some of you folks are as smart as you claim to be you'd know I was just kidding for Pete's sake!

Sure. You're just one big kidder.

mayday · 10th December 2007, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by CFLarsen

Sure. You're just one big kidder.

I still like you.

Professor Yaffle · 10th December 2007, 08:33 AM

So why do you believe that pendula can predict lottery numbers, rather than believe that cross eyed national anthem singing can cause dinner to appear. Surely one belief is as valid as the other in the absence of any evidence? Especially since continued practice without any improvement in results will not affect your belief.

Biscuit · 10th December 2007, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

Just out of curiosity, have you set a limit to the amount of practicing you are prepared to do before concluding that a pendulum cannot be used to predict winning lottery numbers?

Mayday has made it clear that there are two ways in which she can succeed.

1. She is able to pick winning lottery numbers

2. She never stops trying to pick winning lottery numbers

There is no failure in her experiment so long as the experiment never ends. Truly amazing approach to the scientific method.

Pup · 10th December 2007, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by mayday

Quote:

Just out of curiosity, have you set a limit to the amount of practicing you are prepared to do before concluding that a pendulum cannot be used to predict winning lottery numbers?

No, science is always a work in progress, not a destination.

You're kidding, right?

bruto · 10th December 2007, 03:55 PM

Mayday, I hope you will put a little thought into the process you're using to determine success. It's true, of course, that if you have a theory that potentially explains why the pendulum should work, it might well be worth trying over and over again, hoping to ~~prove~~ edited to add, I should rightly have said test the theory. But I suspect you have no such theory: only an idea that it should work, not how or why. Now of course thinking purely inductively, it's true that you can never, no matter how many times you fail, say "this can never work," but at some point you're going to have to balance your hope against the physics of the thing and say it's time to rethink the theory, if for no other reason than that you run out of weeks in which to test it. It hardly matters if you can potentially prove the pendulum works over a test period of ten million weeks. If you can't outdo chance, it doesn't matter whether the pendulum works or not, because you lose by using it. It's like buying dollar bills for $1.25 apiece.

Quinn · 10th December 2007, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by mayday

If some of you folks are as smart as you claim to be you'd know I was just kidding for Pete's sake!

YYYYEEESSSSS!!!!! I've been waiting for it, and finally here it is, one of the classic bigfig trademarks: the exasperated claim that a previous post was "just kidding," and that anyone with any brains sould have known that -- despite the fact that kidding isn't remotely indicated, and that the content, style, tone, and beliefs espoused are indistinguishable from other (presumably non-kidding) posts. Between this and the enlarged font, can a legendary all-caps tirade be far behind?

So pray tell, what exactly were you kidding about? That you thought there were no lotteries thousands of years ago? Or that all you need is more practice to predict winning numbers with your Magic Swinging Thing On A String? Or that the numbers you posted were really the ones your pendulum showed you? (That last one could be a particularly handy thing to have been kidding about, given the actual outcome.)

six7s · 10th December 2007, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by mayday

No, science is always a work in progress, not a destination.

Indeed

However, you are being taken for a ride on the Woo bus, on Woo Avenue, in Wooville... where do you think you'll end up?

bruto · 10th December 2007, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by six7s

Indeed

However, you are being taken for a ride on the Woo bus, on Woo Avenue, in Wooville... where do you think you'll end up?

Mornington Crescent?

six7s · 10th December 2007, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

Mornington Crescent?

Well, maybe, with her penchant for thumping people... she might be playing by the Queensbury Rules... that could get her to Charing Seriously Pissed Off

Prometheus · 11th December 2007, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle

I just tried to prepare dinner by going cross eyed and singing the national anthem.

Odd. I tried it and my wife's response was, "He's gone batty from hunger, I better feed him quick!" By the time the headache I gave myself from going cross-eyed dissipated, dinner was on the table....

chran · 14th December 2007, 03:06 AM

Mayday - do you have some more numbers for us?

chillzero · 15th December 2007, 09:22 AM

No predictions this week?

mayday · 15th December 2007, 07:35 PM

They havenn't posted the numbers yet so here:

9-32-38-44-52 PB35

devnull · 15th December 2007, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by mayday

They havenn't posted the numbers yet so here:

9-32-38-44-52 PB35

But have they drawn it yet?

Giggywig · 16th December 2007, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by devnull

But have they drawn it yet?

They draw them at 22:59, so if I have the board time set properly that was half an hour after her predictions. In any case, no hits:
22 37 47 48 50 PB 17

insidespace · 16th December 2007, 08:06 AM

I for one dwell in the land of "theory." I am not satisfied just to "pick" lotto numbers. This poster has brought up a "possible" mechanism which I think it should be considered. The pendulum has certain "degrees of freedom." Now, what does that mean? It means it is "free" to some "degree." Now if it is "free" it can "pick" a number that it did not "have" to pick. Where did that number come from? Well, thats the big burning question. Why did you make breakfast this morning? Did you "have" to? No, you were "free" not to. So, why not start there.

As the elephant said, the hard part is getting up in the morning.

Does that help?

Giggywig · 16th December 2007, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by insidespace

I for one dwell in the land of "theory." I am not satisfied just to "pick" lotto numbers. This poster has brought up a "possible" mechanism which I think it should be considered. The pendulum has certain "degrees of freedom." Now, what does that mean? It means it is "free" to some "degree." Now if it is "free" it can "pick" a number that it did not "have" to pick. Where did that number come from? Well, thats the big burning question. Why did you make breakfast this morning? Did you "have" to? No, you were "free" not to. So, why not start there.

As the elephant said, the hard part is getting up in the morning.

Does that help?

"No," it does not "help" as I have no "idea" what you "said."

BruceLeeRoy · 16th December 2007, 05:07 PM

This forum is the best, You guys are hilarious. Thanks for helping or trying to help those that lack critical thinking, I've learned so much lurking around the forums these past few years.

Ron_Tomkins · 16th December 2007, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by insidespace

I for one dwell in the land of "theory." I am not satisfied just to "pick" lotto numbers. This poster has brought up a "possible" mechanism which I think it should be considered. The pendulum has certain "degrees of freedom." Now, what does that mean? It means it is "free" to some "degree." Now if it is "free" it can "pick" a number that it did not "have" to pick. Where did that number come from? Well, thats the big burning question. Why did you make breakfast this morning? Did you "have" to? No, you were "free" not to. So, why not start there.

As the elephant said, the hard part is getting up in the morning.

Does that help?

Here's the problem which I don't think you realize: It's when you attribute human qualities to something that isn't human. When you say that a pendulum has "certain degrees of freedom" or when you say that a pendulum "is free to pick a number" you are, without realizing it, attributing human qualities to an inanimate object and you are suggesting that the object is "doing" things. The object isn't doing anything. Not consciously, not unconsciously. The object doesn't have a conscience. WE have a conscience. We are the ones who take the liberty of making an interpretation. This is why your claim has no foundations and is only a reflexion of what you think and/or what you secretly desire.

insidespace · 16th December 2007, 11:01 PM

Well I thought most people had rejected the "view' that humans had some free soul that objects in nature did not have. I thought that idea was called dualism and it was not true.

So really what's the difference between the pendulum and the person? Isn't the person also part of nature, subject to natural law?

devnull · 16th December 2007, 11:49 PM

the difference? ermmm.... a brain perhaps?

chillzero · 17th December 2007, 01:20 AM

Originally Posted by BruceLeeRoy

This forum is the best, You guys are hilarious. Thanks for helping or trying to help those that lack critical thinking, I've learned so much lurking around the forums these past few years.

Welcome to the forum, BruceLeeRoy.

Garrette · 17th December 2007, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by BruceLeeRoy

This forum is the best,

Oh, for pity's sake. I get really sick of all these woo-woos coming in here and throwing unsupported claims around willy nilly. We've heard it before, boyo, and there isn't a piece of so-called "evidence" you can present that we haven't deconstructed before. Can you prove that this forum is the best? Because if you can, I know where you can win a million dollars.

Originally Posted by BruceLeeRoy

You guys are hilarious.

There you go again. Evidence?

Originally Posted by BruceLeeRoy

Thanks for helping

Who say's we're helping? Have you considered the possibility that you're simply seeing things that aren't there? It's called pareidolia. Read up on it before you answer.

Originally Posted by BruceLeeRoy

or trying to help

Which is it? Is it "helping" or is it "trying to help?" I have rarely seen such a blatant example of cold reading. Get a grip, dude.

Originally Posted by BruceLeeRoy

those that lack critical thinking,

It's WHO. People WHO lack critical thinking. And it's critical thinking SKILLS. So if you knew even the slightest bit about grammar or syntax or pedantry or if you even bothered to use your word processor's grammar check, you wouldn't embarrass yourself so much. But I suppose you're too busy "learning" things from all the "helpful" people here.

Yeah, right.

Originally Posted by BruceLeeRoy

I've learned so much lurking around the forums these past few years.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

And one more thing, you sniveling purveyor of sloppy thinking:

Welcome to the forums.

suicidesamurai · 17th December 2007, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by mayday

I'm depressed because I'm saddled with being "married" to a dirty old man and I've come to the conclusion that all men who are not gay are dirty old men.
For example, the old man added this girl singing the Ron Paul song to his favorites and he will watch it with the kids. She has braces on and this goofy look on her face and sings in this silly little girls' voice. I asked him why he kept watching that crap and informed him that song is unmelodic and the girl doesn't have a memorable singing voice so the only reason he was watching it was because he is a dirty old man. Then he starts calling me jealous. I'm not jealous of a little girl (I think she was 16) I'm sickened by dirty old men.

I'm depressed because the autopsy reults came back for our long-time family friend who was found dead in his yard and we found out how bad the shape of his body was in and that he was partly eaten by wild animals.

I'm depressed because I weigh over 220 pounds and feel hopeless to do anything about it.

I'm depressed because even if I didn't weigh over 220 pounds I'd still be old.

I'm depressed because I'm missing one of my front teeth and my son told me he doesn't like it when I smile.

I'm depressed because even if I wasn't missing a front tooth I'd still be old.

We're saddled with overseeing the affairs of my 83 y/o father-in-law who is, for now, in assisted living. He has a serious personality disorder and is a nasty, mean spirited person (kind of like his son.) He is eaten up with Lewy Body disease and has no quality to life but he keeps going and there is no end in sight. APS keeps coming to our door because they want to put him in a nursing home so they can take half of my property (years ago he was a co-signer on my property because I didn't have a FICO score because I don't use credit). Anyway, we didn't have him remove his name from the deed after I FINISHED PAYING FOR IT so the government via APS is trying to make sure they get their mits on it now (read the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005).

I feel like I've got a reason to be depressed. But I'll make sure to post the lotto numbers Friday.

You are psychic! This describes my life perfectly. How did you know?

I like Ron Paul

I like 16-year-old girls

I weigh 220 pounds

I'm missing a tooth

The government is conspiring to steal my land

It's like looking in a mirror - a psychic mirror.

Ashles · 17th December 2007, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by insidespace

So really what's the difference between the pendulum and the person? Isn't the person also part of nature, subject to natural law?

What do you mean by 'natural law'?

The laws of physics?

Because they don't really explain how a pendulum might move itself to answer questions or predict the future.

Or were you posting while drunk?

Ron_Tomkins · 17th December 2007, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by insidespace

Well I thought most people had rejected the "view' that humans had some free soul that objects in nature did not have. I thought that idea was called dualism and it was not true.

So really what's the difference between the pendulum and the person? Isn't the person also part of nature, subject to natural law?

You forget you're in a Skeptics forum. Most people here don't even agree that there is such thing as a "soul" in the first place.

There are plenty of differences between the pendulum and the person. Do you need me to enumerate them?

Someone here mentioned one of the most relevant differences though: a pendulum has no brain

Would that be enough to convince you that a pendulum doesn't "decide" to do things?

Ashles · 19th December 2007, 12:53 PM

So when Mayday says she will post the results "weekly"... does anyone know the duration of a "week" on the planet she is referring to?

Is it equivalent to, maybe, 7.5 earth years?

Or did she mean to write "weakly".

six7s · 19th December 2007, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by mayday

I'm working on a new experiment, and I'll post the weekly results here for posterity

Maybe a typo???

Maybe I'm working on a new experiment, and I'll weakly post results here from my posterior

chran · 28th December 2007, 05:43 AM

Wow! There must be a bunch of results by now.

Mayday?

Ripley Twenty-Nine · 28th December 2007, 06:26 AM

Let's pick this thread back up in 2009, shall we?

Garrette · 28th December 2007, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by chran

Wow! There must be a bunch of results by now.

Mayday?

She's won so much money in recent lotteries she feels no need to post any longer. She's laughing from her villa on an island she bought.

chran · 28th December 2007, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by Garrette

She's won so much money in recent lotteries she feels no need to post any longer. She's laughing from her villa on an island she bought.

Yeah, that must be it

JPK · 28th December 2007, 06:59 AM

Perhaps she has hit the lottery and no longer has time to post here?
JPK

Edited to add: Beaten to the punch by Garrette.

Ashles · 28th December 2007, 08:23 AM

We must remember the word "Mayday" is a cry for help.

9th December 2007, 10:05 PM	#201
mayday Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,800	Originally Posted by schlitt My goodness. Your complete lack of thinking ability never ceases to astonish me. The way you miss the point so completely, and focus in on one tiny part of the overall picture without being able to see the picture itself, is truly amazing. Well done. If some of you folks are as smart as you claim to be you'd know I was just kidding for Pete's sake!
mayday Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,800

10th December 2007, 03:18 AM	#203
Professor Yaffle Butterbeans and Breadcrumbs Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Emily's shop Posts: 15,360	I just tried to prepare dinner by going cross eyed and singing the national anthem. It didn't work. Gee whiz, I have a lot of practicing to do!
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10th December 2007, 05:47 AM	#204
Garrette Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 10,557	Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle I just tried to prepare dinner by going cross eyed and singing the national anthem. It didn't work. Gee whiz, I have a lot of practicing to do! I'll say. A ham and cheese omelet just appeared in the skillet on my stove. That's breakfast, not dinner.
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10th December 2007, 07:28 AM	#205
mayday Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,800	Originally Posted by Pixel42 Just out of curiosity, have you set a limit to the amount of practicing you are prepared to do before concluding that a pendulum cannot be used to predict winning lottery numbers? No, science is always a work in progress, not a destination.
mayday Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,800

10th December 2007, 07:36 AM	#206
CFLarsen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 42,804	Originally Posted by mayday If some of you folks are as smart as you claim to be you'd know I was just kidding for Pete's sake! Sure. You're just one big kidder.
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10th December 2007, 03:09 AM	#202
Pixel42 Schrödinger's cat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Wiltshire, UK Posts: 4,241	Originally Posted by mayday Gee whiz, I have a lot of practicing to do! Just out of curiosity, have you set a limit to the amount of practicing you are prepared to do before concluding that a pendulum cannot be used to predict winning lottery numbers?

10th December 2007, 07:50 AM	#207
mayday Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,800	Originally Posted by CFLarsen Sure. You're just one big kidder. I still like you.
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10th December 2007, 08:33 AM	#208
Professor Yaffle Butterbeans and Breadcrumbs Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Emily's shop Posts: 15,360	So why do you believe that pendula can predict lottery numbers, rather than believe that cross eyed national anthem singing can cause dinner to appear. Surely one belief is as valid as the other in the absence of any evidence? Especially since continued practice without any improvement in results will not affect your belief.
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10th December 2007, 08:45 AM	#209
Biscuit Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,778	Originally Posted by Pixel42 Just out of curiosity, have you set a limit to the amount of practicing you are prepared to do before concluding that a pendulum cannot be used to predict winning lottery numbers? Mayday has made it clear that there are two ways in which she can succeed. 1. She is able to pick winning lottery numbers 2. She never stops trying to pick winning lottery numbers There is no failure in her experiment so long as the experiment never ends. Truly amazing approach to the scientific method.
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10th December 2007, 09:20 AM	#210
Pup Illuminator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,590	Originally Posted by mayday Quote: Just out of curiosity, have you set a limit to the amount of practicing you are prepared to do before concluding that a pendulum cannot be used to predict winning lottery numbers? No, science is always a work in progress, not a destination. You're kidding, right?
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10th December 2007, 03:55 PM	#211
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 11,191	Mayday, I hope you will put a little thought into the process you're using to determine success. It's true, of course, that if you have a theory that potentially explains why the pendulum should work, it might well be worth trying over and over again, hoping to ~~prove~~ edited to add, I should rightly have said test the theory. But I suspect you have no such theory: only an idea that it should work, not how or why. Now of course thinking purely inductively, it's true that you can never, no matter how many times you fail, say "this can never work," but at some point you're going to have to balance your hope against the physics of the thing and say it's time to rethink the theory, if for no other reason than that you run out of weeks in which to test it. It hardly matters if you can potentially prove the pendulum works over a test period of ten million weeks. If you can't outdo chance, it doesn't matter whether the pendulum works or not, because you lose by using it. It's like buying dollar bills for $1.25 apiece.
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10th December 2007, 05:26 PM	#212
Quinn Breathtakingly blasphemous. Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,893	Originally Posted by mayday If some of you folks are as smart as you claim to be you'd know I was just kidding for Pete's sake! YYYYEEESSSSS!!!!! I've been waiting for it, and finally here it is, one of the classic bigfig trademarks: the exasperated claim that a previous post was "just kidding," and that anyone with any brains sould have known that -- despite the fact that kidding isn't remotely indicated, and that the content, style, tone, and beliefs espoused are indistinguishable from other (presumably non-kidding) posts. Between this and the enlarged font, can a legendary all-caps tirade be far behind? So pray tell, what exactly were you kidding about? That you thought there were no lotteries thousands of years ago? Or that all you need is more practice to predict winning numbers with your Magic Swinging Thing On A String? Or that the numbers you posted were really the ones your pendulum showed you? (That last one could be a particularly handy thing to have been kidding about, given the actual outcome.)
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10th December 2007, 09:36 PM	#213
six7s veretic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 8,710	Originally Posted by mayday No, science is always a work in progress, not a destination. Indeed However, you are being taken for a ride on the Woo bus, on Woo Avenue, in Wooville... where do you think you'll end up?
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10th December 2007, 09:41 PM	#214
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 11,191	Originally Posted by six7s Indeed However, you are being taken for a ride on the Woo bus, on Woo Avenue, in Wooville... where do you think you'll end up? Mornington Crescent?
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10th December 2007, 10:09 PM	#215
six7s veretic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 8,710	Originally Posted by bruto Mornington Crescent? Well, maybe, with her penchant for thumping people... she might be playing by the Queensbury Rules... that could get her to Charing Seriously Pissed Off
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11th December 2007, 11:06 AM	#216
Prometheus Acolyte of Víðarr Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North of Reality Posts: 43,011	Originally Posted by Professor Yaffle I just tried to prepare dinner by going cross eyed and singing the national anthem. Odd. I tried it and my wife's response was, "He's gone batty from hunger, I better feed him quick!" By the time the headache I gave myself from going cross-eyed dissipated, dinner was on the table....
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14th December 2007, 03:06 AM	#217
chran Muse Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Denmark, yo Posts: 630	Mayday - do you have some more numbers for us?

15th December 2007, 09:22 AM	#218
chillzero Domestic Godless Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Top of the world, ma! Posts: 15,235	No predictions this week?

15th December 2007, 07:35 PM	#219
mayday Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,800	They havenn't posted the numbers yet so here: 9-32-38-44-52 PB35
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15th December 2007, 07:43 PM	#220
devnull Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,533	Originally Posted by mayday They havenn't posted the numbers yet so here: 9-32-38-44-52 PB35 But have they drawn it yet?

16th December 2007, 06:38 AM	#221
Giggywig Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,853	Originally Posted by devnull But have they drawn it yet? They draw them at 22:59, so if I have the board time set properly that was half an hour after her predictions. In any case, no hits: 22 37 47 48 50 PB 17
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16th December 2007, 08:06 AM	#222
insidespace Scholar Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 89	I for one dwell in the land of "theory." I am not satisfied just to "pick" lotto numbers. This poster has brought up a "possible" mechanism which I think it should be considered. The pendulum has certain "degrees of freedom." Now, what does that mean? It means it is "free" to some "degree." Now if it is "free" it can "pick" a number that it did not "have" to pick. Where did that number come from? Well, thats the big burning question. Why did you make breakfast this morning? Did you "have" to? No, you were "free" not to. So, why not start there. As the elephant said, the hard part is getting up in the morning. Does that help?
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16th December 2007, 09:43 AM	#223
Giggywig Master Poster Join Date: May 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,853	Originally Posted by insidespace I for one dwell in the land of "theory." I am not satisfied just to "pick" lotto numbers. This poster has brought up a "possible" mechanism which I think it should be considered. The pendulum has certain "degrees of freedom." Now, what does that mean? It means it is "free" to some "degree." Now if it is "free" it can "pick" a number that it did not "have" to pick. Where did that number come from? Well, thats the big burning question. Why did you make breakfast this morning? Did you "have" to? No, you were "free" not to. So, why not start there. As the elephant said, the hard part is getting up in the morning. Does that help? "No," it does not "help" as I have no "idea" what you "said."
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16th December 2007, 05:07 PM	#224
BruceLeeRoy New Blood Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1	This forum is the best, You guys are hilarious. Thanks for helping or trying to help those that lack critical thinking, I've learned so much lurking around the forums these past few years.
BruceLeeRoy New Blood Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1

16th December 2007, 05:29 PM	#225
Ron_Tomkins Satan's Helper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 32,058	Originally Posted by insidespace I for one dwell in the land of "theory." I am not satisfied just to "pick" lotto numbers. This poster has brought up a "possible" mechanism which I think it should be considered. The pendulum has certain "degrees of freedom." Now, what does that mean? It means it is "free" to some "degree." Now if it is "free" it can "pick" a number that it did not "have" to pick. Where did that number come from? Well, thats the big burning question. Why did you make breakfast this morning? Did you "have" to? No, you were "free" not to. So, why not start there. As the elephant said, the hard part is getting up in the morning. Does that help? Here's the problem which I don't think you realize: It's when you attribute human qualities to something that isn't human. When you say that a pendulum has "certain degrees of freedom" or when you say that a pendulum "is free to pick a number" you are, without realizing it, attributing human qualities to an inanimate object and you are suggesting that the object is "doing" things. The object isn't doing anything. Not consciously, not unconsciously. The object doesn't have a conscience. WE have a conscience. We are the ones who take the liberty of making an interpretation. This is why your claim has no foundations and is only a reflexion of what you think and/or what you secretly desire.

16th December 2007, 11:01 PM	#226
insidespace Scholar Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 89	Well I thought most people had rejected the "view' that humans had some free soul that objects in nature did not have. I thought that idea was called dualism and it was not true. So really what's the difference between the pendulum and the person? Isn't the person also part of nature, subject to natural law?
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16th December 2007, 11:49 PM	#227
devnull Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,533	the difference? ermmm.... a brain perhaps?

17th December 2007, 01:20 AM	#228
chillzero Domestic Godless Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Top of the world, ma! Posts: 15,235	Originally Posted by BruceLeeRoy This forum is the best, You guys are hilarious. Thanks for helping or trying to help those that lack critical thinking, I've learned so much lurking around the forums these past few years. Welcome to the forum, BruceLeeRoy.

17th December 2007, 05:28 AM	#229
Garrette Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 10,557	Originally Posted by BruceLeeRoy This forum is the best, Oh, for pity's sake. I get really sick of all these woo-woos coming in here and throwing unsupported claims around willy nilly. We've heard it before, boyo, and there isn't a piece of so-called "evidence" you can present that we haven't deconstructed before. Can you prove that this forum is the best? Because if you can, I know where you can win a million dollars. Originally Posted by BruceLeeRoy You guys are hilarious. There you go again. Evidence? Originally Posted by BruceLeeRoy Thanks for helping Who say's we're helping? Have you considered the possibility that you're simply seeing things that aren't there? It's called pareidolia. Read up on it before you answer. Originally Posted by BruceLeeRoy or trying to help Which is it? Is it "helping" or is it "trying to help?" I have rarely seen such a blatant example of cold reading. Get a grip, dude. Originally Posted by BruceLeeRoy those that lack critical thinking, It's WHO. People WHO lack critical thinking. And it's critical thinking SKILLS. So if you knew even the slightest bit about grammar or syntax or pedantry or if you even bothered to use your word processor's grammar check, you wouldn't embarrass yourself so much. But I suppose you're too busy "learning" things from all the "helpful" people here. Yeah, right. Originally Posted by BruceLeeRoy I've learned so much lurking around the forums these past few years. The plural of anecdote is not data. And one more thing, you sniveling purveyor of sloppy thinking: Welcome to the forums.
	__________________ My kids still love me. Last edited by Garrette; 17th December 2007 at 05:29 AM.

17th December 2007, 06:11 AM	#230
suicidesamurai Student Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 49	Originally Posted by mayday I'm depressed because I'm saddled with being "married" to a dirty old man and I've come to the conclusion that all men who are not gay are dirty old men. For example, the old man added this girl singing the Ron Paul song to his favorites and he will watch it with the kids. She has braces on and this goofy look on her face and sings in this silly little girls' voice. I asked him why he kept watching that crap and informed him that song is unmelodic and the girl doesn't have a memorable singing voice so the only reason he was watching it was because he is a dirty old man. Then he starts calling me jealous. I'm not jealous of a little girl (I think she was 16) I'm sickened by dirty old men. I'm depressed because the autopsy reults came back for our long-time family friend who was found dead in his yard and we found out how bad the shape of his body was in and that he was partly eaten by wild animals. I'm depressed because I weigh over 220 pounds and feel hopeless to do anything about it. I'm depressed because even if I didn't weigh over 220 pounds I'd still be old. I'm depressed because I'm missing one of my front teeth and my son told me he doesn't like it when I smile. I'm depressed because even if I wasn't missing a front tooth I'd still be old. We're saddled with overseeing the affairs of my 83 y/o father-in-law who is, for now, in assisted living. He has a serious personality disorder and is a nasty, mean spirited person (kind of like his son.) He is eaten up with Lewy Body disease and has no quality to life but he keeps going and there is no end in sight. APS keeps coming to our door because they want to put him in a nursing home so they can take half of my property (years ago he was a co-signer on my property because I didn't have a FICO score because I don't use credit). Anyway, we didn't have him remove his name from the deed after I FINISHED PAYING FOR IT so the government via APS is trying to make sure they get their mits on it now (read the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005). I feel like I've got a reason to be depressed. But I'll make sure to post the lotto numbers Friday. You are psychic! This describes my life perfectly. How did you know? I like Ron Paul I like 16-year-old girls I weigh 220 pounds I'm missing a tooth The government is conspiring to steal my land It's like looking in a mirror - a psychic mirror.
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17th December 2007, 01:05 PM	#231
Ashles Pith Artist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The '80s Posts: 8,711	Originally Posted by insidespace So really what's the difference between the pendulum and the person? Isn't the person also part of nature, subject to natural law? What do you mean by 'natural law'? The laws of physics? Because they don't really explain how a pendulum might move itself to answer questions or predict the future. Or were you posting while drunk?
	__________________ With extraordinary few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat. - Jeffrey Burton Russell No one "proved" that a bumblebee can't fly. What was shown was that a certain simple mathematical model wasn't adequate or appropriate - Ivars Peterson

17th December 2007, 08:41 PM	#232
Ron_Tomkins Satan's Helper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 32,058	Originally Posted by insidespace Well I thought most people had rejected the "view' that humans had some free soul that objects in nature did not have. I thought that idea was called dualism and it was not true. So really what's the difference between the pendulum and the person? Isn't the person also part of nature, subject to natural law? You forget you're in a Skeptics forum. Most people here don't even agree that there is such thing as a "soul" in the first place. There are plenty of differences between the pendulum and the person. Do you need me to enumerate them? Someone here mentioned one of the most relevant differences though: a pendulum has no brain Would that be enough to convince you that a pendulum doesn't "decide" to do things?

19th December 2007, 12:53 PM	#233
Ashles Pith Artist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The '80s Posts: 8,711	So when Mayday says she will post the results "weekly"... does anyone know the duration of a "week" on the planet she is referring to? Is it equivalent to, maybe, 7.5 earth years? Or did she mean to write "weakly".
	__________________ With extraordinary few exceptions no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the earth was flat. - Jeffrey Burton Russell No one "proved" that a bumblebee can't fly. What was shown was that a certain simple mathematical model wasn't adequate or appropriate - Ivars Peterson Last edited by Ashles; 19th December 2007 at 12:53 PM.

19th December 2007, 12:59 PM	#234
six7s veretic Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Aotearoa Posts: 8,710	Originally Posted by mayday I'm working on a new experiment, and I'll post the weekly results here for posterity Maybe a typo??? Maybe I'm working on a new experiment, and I'll weakly post results here from my posterior
	__________________ Evolution and the rest of reality fascinates the be-jeebus out of me!

28th December 2007, 05:43 AM	#235
chran Muse Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Denmark, yo Posts: 630	Wow! There must be a bunch of results by now. Mayday?