What are you in it for?

tomwaits · 4th December 2007, 05:35 PM

As in, why do you like to argue with CTers? They are clearly on the fringe of society, and history shows they don't change their minds for any reason.

Personally, I think it's hilarious. Watching them back themselves into a corner while sticking with the idea that it was a conspiracy is pure entertainment. I love watching examples of cognitive dissonance, and I can't help but bring to mind the Great Disappointment when it comes to CTs and Loose Change.

JAStewart · 4th December 2007, 05:38 PM

I love watching them crumble under the pressure.

Its a topic interest of mine anyway as a politics student.

Brainache · 4th December 2007, 05:44 PM

I'm in it for the chicks.

er

I may need to rethink my getting chicks strategy....

Gravy · 4th December 2007, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by tomwaits

As in, why do you like to argue with CTers?

I don't. At all. But I feel it's necessary to confront the vicious morons who want to absolve the people who killed my neighbors, who blame others for those crimes without a shred of evidence, who disparage learning and professionalism, and who wish to replace facts with lies.

defaultdotxbe · 4th December 2007, 06:27 PM

the nwo sends me daily shipments of beef jerky

PhantomWolf · 4th December 2007, 06:38 PM

Mostly I like to talk about Apollo and when someone brings up the Hoax it's a good excuse to do so without people looking at you weird. I deal with 9/11 mostly because I think that the lunacy of the claims needs to be rebutted and that we need to not only keep remembering that there is a threat to our way of life out there, but we have to be careful how we critise our governments so that genuine critisim isn't lost in the fuzz of rampant idicocy and speculation. I rather see people critising Bushies and Co over things they are actually responsible for, rather than making stuff up.

ConspiRaider · 4th December 2007, 06:43 PM

The sound of a twoofer falling on his face in the morning after he's been out-thought, outmaneuvered and outgunned: Aaahhh! No sound like that in the world. Sounds like... Victory.

They require opposition. The result of sound, reasoned logic might even be more beneficial to those who are not twoofers. Personally I don't care whether the twoofer tumbles. A nice little bonus when, occasionally, it happens. But the fact is, twoofing can convince people of great falsehoods and that is dangerous, left unchecked.

tomwaits · 4th December 2007, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

I don't. At all. But I feel it's necessary to confront the vicious morons who want to absolve the people who killed my neighbors, who blame others for those crimes without a shred of evidence, who disparage learning and professionalism, and who wish to replace facts with lies.

Ok, so change "like" to "feel obligated", but you answered that question.

For me it's entertainment, but you clearly feel you have a duty to argue. But do you really think it's worth it? They are clearly an extremely small and dumb part of the population who never listen to reason, so what's the point? They are the trolls of the real world: never bringing anything substantial to the table, always just accusing everyone else of being "sheep".

CHF · 4th December 2007, 06:50 PM

I tackle 9/11 twoofers for three reasons.

1) lies left unchallenged can have serious consequences
2) there's nothing sadder than an otherwise rational person buying into total idiocy
e) comedy

I used to be all about #1 and 2 Then I realized that the twoof movement was dying and so now it's largely for laughs.

Gravy · 4th December 2007, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by tomwaits

For me it's entertainment, but you clearly feel you have a duty to argue. But do you really think it's worth it?

The duty I feel is to make solid information more accessible. Whether it's worth it is an individual decision. It certainly has been for me. I've had a couple of thousand emails from people who've thanked me, and probably over a hundred emails from people who had bought into at least one major truther claim that, with my help, they discovered was false. I'm an educator, and I take satisfaction in helping people improve their critical thinking skills.

Alferd_Packer · 4th December 2007, 06:54 PM

It's a hobby

stateofgrace · 4th December 2007, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by tomwaits

As in, why do you like to argue with CTers? They are clearly on the fringe of society, and history shows they don't change their minds for any reason.

Personally, I think it's hilarious. Watching them back themselves into a corner while sticking with the idea that it was a conspiracy is pure entertainment. I love watching examples of cognitive dissonance, and I can't help but bring to mind the Great Disappointment when it comes to CTs and Loose Change.

I guess it just kind of annoyed me. I came across 911 cters a few years ago on a gaming forum of all places. I had never even heard of such theories. Anyway somebody had started a thread about S Jones and bombs in the towers. I entered the thread and all of a sudden found myself totally out of my depth, I simply could not respond to the barrage of copy and paste arguments being put forward. Like I said it kind of annoyed me, simply by virtue of the fact that, even though I never bought into it, I simply could not respond.

Given time I started looking around the net and was simply appalled at the CT sites that had sprung up, all spouting the same BS. This was about the time MikeW set up his site, which I just stumbled across by chance. I read it all, every single page. It was a great site and one that simply blew away any doubts I had. I eventually went back to the gaming forum and simply wiped the floor with the resident cters, who to be honest were novices compared to some of the cters who are springing up now.

Other than that I drifted around, becoming the resident debunker on one forum and finally ended up here after being banned from a few ct forums.

Other than that I also enjoy my NWO cheques (which incidentally is overdue this mouth) and in a strange way actually feel sorry for those that still buy into these alternative theories.

RedIbis · 4th December 2007, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

The duty I feel is to make solid information more accessible. Whether it's worth it is an individual decision. It certainly has been for me. I've had a couple of thousand emails from people who've thanked me, and probably over a hundred emails from people who had bought into at least one major truther claim that, with my help, they discovered was false. I'm an educator, and I take satisfaction in helping people improve their critical thinking skills.

How do you reconcile your proclaimed occupation as an educator of critical thinking when you refer to those who offer opposition to your position as,

Quote:

vicious morons who want to absolve the people who killed my neighbors, who blame others for those crimes without a shred of evidence, who disparage learning and professionalism, and who wish to replace facts with lies.

I am not any of those things but I know for a fact that I've pointed out where you have been wrong, thus contributing to the discussion in a way that works towards accuracy.

tomwaits · 4th December 2007, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

How do you reconcile your proclaimed occupation as an educator of critical thinking when you refer to those who offer opposition to your position as,

I am not any of those things but I know for a fact that I've pointed out where you have been wrong, thus contributing to the discussion in a way that works towards accuracy.

Care to point those out again for those who haven't seen it?

RedIbis · 4th December 2007, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by tomwaits

Care to point those out again for those who haven't seen it?

No, I don't care to at all. Gravy knows exactly what I'm talking about.

tomwaits · 4th December 2007, 07:04 PM

yawn. well, i tried.

Good Lt · 4th December 2007, 07:04 PM

Quote:

vicious morons who want to absolve the people who killed my neighbors, who blame others for those crimes without a shred of evidence, who disparage learning and professionalism, and who wish to replace facts with lies.

Because that's what Troofers are.

Good Lt · 4th December 2007, 07:05 PM

Quote:

I am not any of those things but I know for a fact that I've pointed out where you have been wrong, thus contributing to the discussion in a way that works towards accuracy.

And yet, you still believe 9-11 was an inside job, making your platitudes about "accuracy" ring hollow.

RedIbis · 4th December 2007, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by tomwaits

yawn. well, i tried.

Not all that much. Certainly not worthy of the man who wrote "Diamonds and Gold", a song I very much enjoy playing.

tomwaits · 4th December 2007, 07:09 PM

Quote:

but I know for a fact that I've pointed out where you have been wrong, thus contributing to the discussion in a way that works towards accuracy.

Quote:

No, I don't care to at all.

nice contribution. you've pointed out errors, but don't want to tell anyone about them! keep up your quality efforts towards truth!

stateofgrace · 4th December 2007, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

No, I don't care to at all. Gravy knows exactly what I'm talking about.

So why post on a public forum ?

RedIbis · 4th December 2007, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Good Lt

And yet, you still believe 9-11 was an inside job, making your platitudes about "accuracy" ring hollow.

Your entitled to your opinion, but I check this forum to see what the best debunking arguments are for what I consider the unanwered questions on 9/11. I found Gravy's Flight 93 presentation, with hoppers of scrap metal wholly unconvincing, and I'm still waiting for NIST to explain WTC 7, so until then you'll have to forgive me for being skeptical.

RedIbis · 4th December 2007, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by stateofgrace

So why post on a public forum ?

Where do you think it was posted?

stateofgrace · 4th December 2007, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

I'm still waiting for NIST to explain WTC 7, so until then you'll have to forgive me for being skeptical.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me why WTC 7 an empty building was so important that they demolished it.

On you go, please enlighten me.

Simply Question RedIbis, Why was WTC 7 demolished?

No other cter has ever answered this question , be the first, please.

Forgive me for being skeptical.

afinemadness · 4th December 2007, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Gravy

I don't. At all. But I feel it's necessary to confront the vicious morons who want to absolve the people who killed my neighbors, who blame others for those crimes without a shred of evidence, who disparage learning and professionalism, and who wish to replace facts with lies.

I agree completely. I at one time worked for Marsh in IT and everyone that was in my group that was in the office lost their lives. All of us in the area lost friends and to let these "people" espouse their idiocy without an attempt to set the record straight would just be wrong.

RedIbis · 4th December 2007, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by stateofgrace

I'm still waiting for you to tell me why WTC 7 an empty building was so important that they demolished it.

On you go, please enlighten me.

Simply Question RedIbis, Why was WTC 7 demolished?

No other cter has ever answered this question , be the first, please.

Forgive me for being skeptical.

You think that WTC 7 was "empty"?

I"m going to find it very difficult to take any of your questions seriously.

stateofgrace · 4th December 2007, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

Where do you think it was posted?

No idea, please enlighten me, some form of petty vendetta maybe?

stateofgrace · 4th December 2007, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

You think that WTC 7 was "empty"?

I"m going to find it very difficult to take any of your questions seriously.

Really ?

I take you won't be answering my question then?

Simple question............Why was WTC 7 demolished? Any idea ? Care to make it up, go on , give it your best shot, I am on the edge of my seat.

RedIbis · 4th December 2007, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by stateofgrace

No idea, please enlighten me, some form of petty vendetta maybe?

It would literally consume 1/10th of a calorie for your index finger to make the two clicks and scrolldown to find the post.

Good Lt · 4th December 2007, 07:21 PM

Nice dodge, Ibis.

Why did "they" "demolish" WTC7? Simple question.

Should be a simple answer. Right?

RedIbis · 4th December 2007, 07:24 PM

Sorry guys but you don't get to frame the debate.

The question is not "why did 'they' demolish WTC 7?"

You're asking me to speculate. The important question is: Did WTC 7 collapse due to the debris and fires caused by the collapse of the towers?

That's the question, care to answer it? NIST certainly hasn't.

ConspiRaider · 4th December 2007, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

You think that WTC 7 was "empty"?

I"m going to find it very difficult to take any of your questions seriously.

You may be "right". After all, that Larry Silverstein said "Full, it." As in:

"It's full of secret CIA documents that can only be destroyed by knocking over the Twin Towers and crashing into the Pentagon as diversions and then demolishing 7 in the confusion, to save our country from those CIA documents being compromised to cross-eyed conspirators who hates real estate developers and jokes about cross-eyed conspirators."

stateofgrace · 4th December 2007, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

It would literally consume 1/10th of a calorie for your index finger to make the two clicks and scrolldown to find the post.

Your entertainment value is fading, any chance you can answer a simple question or are you simply spamming this thread?

I've asked two now, you have answered neither.

!. Why post your petty vendetta on a public forum?

2. Why was WTC 7 demolished?

CHF · 4th December 2007, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

The question is not "why did 'they' demolish WTC 7?"

You're asking me to speculate.

Your theory is that it was a demolition, correct?

So surely there must be a logical reason for why they'd do that, otherwise why would you believe it so strongly?

RedIbis · 4th December 2007, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by CHF

Your theory is that it was a demolition, correct?

So surely there must be a logical reason for why they'd do that, otherwise why would you believe it so strongly?

I take it you're not going to answer the question I asked in #31.

Good Lt · 4th December 2007, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Sorry guys but you don't get to frame the debate.

The question is not "why did 'they' demolish WTC 7?"

Until you Troofers produce a shred of evidence of ANY explosives used ANYWHERE at WTC, we do get to frame the debate. And you get to answer questions.

Sorry.

So what evidence do you have that WTC7 was "demolished?"

Quote:

Did WTC 7 collapse due to the (massive structural damage caused by) debris and fires caused by the collapse of the towers?

There. Fixed that for you.

Yes.

stateofgrace · 4th December 2007, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

You think that WTC 7 was "empty"?

You think WTC 7 wasn't "empty"?

Please expand.

tomwaits · 4th December 2007, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

I take it you're not going to answer the question I asked in #31.

Ok!

Quote:

The important question is: Did WTC 7 collapse due to the debris and fires caused by the collapse of the towers?

Yes.

your turn...

Calcas · 4th December 2007, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by RedIbis

The important question is: Did WTC 7 collapse due to the debris and fires caused by the collapse of the towers?

Yes.

Your turn.

RedIbis · 4th December 2007, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by tomwaits

Ok!

Yes.

your turn...

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't find 911myths at all convincing. Not one of those pics shows inferno like fires, not one. Not one of those pics shows the infamous scoop, yet the collapse happens from the penthouse.

Nice try, but 911myths is only explanation, certainly not definitive proof of debris and fire causing 7's collapse. If it did, NIST wouldn't be taking so long to release their report.

4th December 2007, 05:38 PM	#2
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4th December 2007, 06:25 PM	#4
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Originally Posted by tomwaits As in, why do you like to argue with CTers? I don't. At all. But I feel it's necessary to confront the vicious morons who want to absolve the people who killed my neighbors, who blame others for those crimes without a shred of evidence, who disparage learning and professionalism, and who wish to replace facts with lies.
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4th December 2007, 06:27 PM	#5
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4th December 2007, 06:38 PM	#6
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4th December 2007, 06:50 PM	#9
CHF Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,875	I tackle 9/11 twoofers for three reasons. 1) lies left unchallenged can have serious consequences 2) there's nothing sadder than an otherwise rational person buying into total idiocy e) comedy I used to be all about #1 and 2 Then I realized that the twoof movement was dying and so now it's largely for laughs.
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4th December 2007, 05:35 PM	#1
tomwaits Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Posts: 2,288	What are you in it for? As in, why do you like to argue with CTers? They are clearly on the fringe of society, and history shows they don't change their minds for any reason. Personally, I think it's hilarious. Watching them back themselves into a corner while sticking with the idea that it was a conspiracy is pure entertainment. I love watching examples of cognitive dissonance, and I can't help but bring to mind the Great Disappointment when it comes to CTs and Loose Change.

4th December 2007, 05:44 PM	#3
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4th December 2007, 06:43 PM	#7
ConspiRaider Writer of Nothingnesses Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,169	The sound of a twoofer falling on his face in the morning after he's been out-thought, outmaneuvered and outgunned: Aaahhh! No sound like that in the world. Sounds like... Victory. They require opposition. The result of sound, reasoned logic might even be more beneficial to those who are not twoofers. Personally I don't care whether the twoofer tumbles. A nice little bonus when, occasionally, it happens. But the fact is, twoofing can convince people of great falsehoods and that is dangerous, left unchecked.

4th December 2007, 06:43 PM	#8
tomwaits Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Posts: 2,288	Originally Posted by Gravy I don't. At all. But I feel it's necessary to confront the vicious morons who want to absolve the people who killed my neighbors, who blame others for those crimes without a shred of evidence, who disparage learning and professionalism, and who wish to replace facts with lies. Ok, so change "like" to "feel obligated", but you answered that question. For me it's entertainment, but you clearly feel you have a duty to argue. But do you really think it's worth it? They are clearly an extremely small and dumb part of the population who never listen to reason, so what's the point? They are the trolls of the real world: never bringing anything substantial to the table, always just accusing everyone else of being "sheep".

4th December 2007, 06:53 PM	#10
Gravy Downsitting Citizen Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the argyle Posts: 17,136	Originally Posted by tomwaits For me it's entertainment, but you clearly feel you have a duty to argue. But do you really think it's worth it? The duty I feel is to make solid information more accessible. Whether it's worth it is an individual decision. It certainly has been for me. I've had a couple of thousand emails from people who've thanked me, and probably over a hundred emails from people who had bought into at least one major truther claim that, with my help, they discovered was false. I'm an educator, and I take satisfaction in helping people improve their critical thinking skills.
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4th December 2007, 06:54 PM	#11
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4th December 2007, 06:59 PM	#12
stateofgrace Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,847	Originally Posted by tomwaits As in, why do you like to argue with CTers? They are clearly on the fringe of society, and history shows they don't change their minds for any reason. Personally, I think it's hilarious. Watching them back themselves into a corner while sticking with the idea that it was a conspiracy is pure entertainment. I love watching examples of cognitive dissonance, and I can't help but bring to mind the Great Disappointment when it comes to CTs and Loose Change. I guess it just kind of annoyed me. I came across 911 cters a few years ago on a gaming forum of all places. I had never even heard of such theories. Anyway somebody had started a thread about S Jones and bombs in the towers. I entered the thread and all of a sudden found myself totally out of my depth, I simply could not respond to the barrage of copy and paste arguments being put forward. Like I said it kind of annoyed me, simply by virtue of the fact that, even though I never bought into it, I simply could not respond. Given time I started looking around the net and was simply appalled at the CT sites that had sprung up, all spouting the same BS. This was about the time MikeW set up his site, which I just stumbled across by chance. I read it all, every single page. It was a great site and one that simply blew away any doubts I had. I eventually went back to the gaming forum and simply wiped the floor with the resident cters, who to be honest were novices compared to some of the cters who are springing up now. Other than that I drifted around, becoming the resident debunker on one forum and finally ended up here after being banned from a few ct forums. Other than that I also enjoy my NWO cheques (which incidentally is overdue this mouth) and in a strange way actually feel sorry for those that still buy into these alternative theories.
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4th December 2007, 07:01 PM	#13
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Originally Posted by Gravy The duty I feel is to make solid information more accessible. Whether it's worth it is an individual decision. It certainly has been for me. I've had a couple of thousand emails from people who've thanked me, and probably over a hundred emails from people who had bought into at least one major truther claim that, with my help, they discovered was false. I'm an educator, and I take satisfaction in helping people improve their critical thinking skills. How do you reconcile your proclaimed occupation as an educator of critical thinking when you refer to those who offer opposition to your position as, Quote: vicious morons who want to absolve the people who killed my neighbors, who blame others for those crimes without a shred of evidence, who disparage learning and professionalism, and who wish to replace facts with lies. I am not any of those things but I know for a fact that I've pointed out where you have been wrong, thus contributing to the discussion in a way that works towards accuracy.
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4th December 2007, 07:02 PM	#14
tomwaits Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Posts: 2,288	Originally Posted by RedIbis How do you reconcile your proclaimed occupation as an educator of critical thinking when you refer to those who offer opposition to your position as, I am not any of those things but I know for a fact that I've pointed out where you have been wrong, thus contributing to the discussion in a way that works towards accuracy. Care to point those out again for those who haven't seen it?

4th December 2007, 07:03 PM	#15
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Originally Posted by tomwaits Care to point those out again for those who haven't seen it? No, I don't care to at all. Gravy knows exactly what I'm talking about.
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4th December 2007, 07:04 PM	#16
tomwaits Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Posts: 2,288	yawn. well, i tried.

4th December 2007, 07:04 PM	#17
Good Lt Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Satellite of Love Posts: 1,487	Quote: vicious morons who want to absolve the people who killed my neighbors, who blame others for those crimes without a shred of evidence, who disparage learning and professionalism, and who wish to replace facts with lies. Because that's what Troofers are.
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4th December 2007, 07:05 PM	#18
Good Lt Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Satellite of Love Posts: 1,487	Quote: I am not any of those things but I know for a fact that I've pointed out where you have been wrong, thus contributing to the discussion in a way that works towards accuracy. And yet, you still believe 9-11 was an inside job, making your platitudes about "accuracy" ring hollow.
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4th December 2007, 07:06 PM	#19
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Originally Posted by tomwaits yawn. well, i tried. Not all that much. Certainly not worthy of the man who wrote "Diamonds and Gold", a song I very much enjoy playing.
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4th December 2007, 07:09 PM	#20
tomwaits Master Poster Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Posts: 2,288	Quote: but I know for a fact that I've pointed out where you have been wrong, thus contributing to the discussion in a way that works towards accuracy. Quote: No, I don't care to at all. nice contribution. you've pointed out errors, but don't want to tell anyone about them! keep up your quality efforts towards truth!

4th December 2007, 07:09 PM	#21
stateofgrace Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,847	Originally Posted by RedIbis No, I don't care to at all. Gravy knows exactly what I'm talking about. So why post on a public forum ?
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4th December 2007, 07:09 PM	#22
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Originally Posted by Good Lt And yet, you still believe 9-11 was an inside job, making your platitudes about "accuracy" ring hollow. Your entitled to your opinion, but I check this forum to see what the best debunking arguments are for what I consider the unanwered questions on 9/11. I found Gravy's Flight 93 presentation, with hoppers of scrap metal wholly unconvincing, and I'm still waiting for NIST to explain WTC 7, so until then you'll have to forgive me for being skeptical.
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4th December 2007, 07:10 PM	#23
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Originally Posted by stateofgrace So why post on a public forum ? Where do you think it was posted?
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4th December 2007, 07:16 PM	#24
stateofgrace Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,847	Originally Posted by RedIbis I'm still waiting for NIST to explain WTC 7, so until then you'll have to forgive me for being skeptical. I'm still waiting for you to tell me why WTC 7 an empty building was so important that they demolished it. On you go, please enlighten me. Simply Question RedIbis, Why was WTC 7 demolished? No other cter has ever answered this question , be the first, please. Forgive me for being skeptical.

4th December 2007, 07:17 PM	#25
afinemadness Thinker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 145	Originally Posted by Gravy I don't. At all. But I feel it's necessary to confront the vicious morons who want to absolve the people who killed my neighbors, who blame others for those crimes without a shred of evidence, who disparage learning and professionalism, and who wish to replace facts with lies. I agree completely. I at one time worked for Marsh in IT and everyone that was in my group that was in the office lost their lives. All of us in the area lost friends and to let these "people" espouse their idiocy without an attempt to set the record straight would just be wrong.

4th December 2007, 07:17 PM	#26
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Originally Posted by stateofgrace I'm still waiting for you to tell me why WTC 7 an empty building was so important that they demolished it. On you go, please enlighten me. Simply Question RedIbis, Why was WTC 7 demolished? No other cter has ever answered this question , be the first, please. Forgive me for being skeptical. You think that WTC 7 was "empty"? I"m going to find it very difficult to take any of your questions seriously.
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4th December 2007, 07:18 PM	#27
stateofgrace Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,847	Originally Posted by RedIbis Where do you think it was posted? No idea, please enlighten me, some form of petty vendetta maybe?

4th December 2007, 07:20 PM	#28
stateofgrace Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,847	Originally Posted by RedIbis You think that WTC 7 was "empty"? I"m going to find it very difficult to take any of your questions seriously. Really ? I take you won't be answering my question then? Simple question............Why was WTC 7 demolished? Any idea ? Care to make it up, go on , give it your best shot, I am on the edge of my seat.

4th December 2007, 07:21 PM	#29
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Originally Posted by stateofgrace No idea, please enlighten me, some form of petty vendetta maybe? It would literally consume 1/10th of a calorie for your index finger to make the two clicks and scrolldown to find the post.
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4th December 2007, 07:24 PM	#31
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Sorry guys but you don't get to frame the debate. The question is not "why did 'they' demolish WTC 7?" You're asking me to speculate. The important question is: Did WTC 7 collapse due to the debris and fires caused by the collapse of the towers? That's the question, care to answer it? NIST certainly hasn't.
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4th December 2007, 07:25 PM	#32
ConspiRaider Writer of Nothingnesses Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,169	Originally Posted by RedIbis You think that WTC 7 was "empty"? I"m going to find it very difficult to take any of your questions seriously. You may be "right". After all, that Larry Silverstein said "Full, it." As in: "It's full of secret CIA documents that can only be destroyed by knocking over the Twin Towers and crashing into the Pentagon as diversions and then demolishing 7 in the confusion, to save our country from those CIA documents being compromised to cross-eyed conspirators who hates real estate developers and jokes about cross-eyed conspirators."
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4th December 2007, 07:27 PM	#33
stateofgrace Guest Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Scotland Posts: 3,847	Originally Posted by RedIbis It would literally consume 1/10th of a calorie for your index finger to make the two clicks and scrolldown to find the post. Your entertainment value is fading, any chance you can answer a simple question or are you simply spamming this thread? I've asked two now, you have answered neither. !. Why post your petty vendetta on a public forum? 2. Why was WTC 7 demolished?
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4th December 2007, 07:27 PM	#34
CHF Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 3,875	Originally Posted by RedIbis The question is not "why did 'they' demolish WTC 7?" You're asking me to speculate. Your theory is that it was a demolition, correct? So surely there must be a logical reason for why they'd do that, otherwise why would you believe it so strongly?

4th December 2007, 07:29 PM	#35
RedIbis Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 6,829	Originally Posted by CHF Your theory is that it was a demolition, correct? So surely there must be a logical reason for why they'd do that, otherwise why would you believe it so strongly? I take it you're not going to answer the question I asked in #31.
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4th December 2007, 07:32 PM	#36
Good Lt Graduate Poster Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Satellite of Love Posts: 1,487	Quote: Sorry guys but you don't get to frame the debate. The question is not "why did 'they' demolish WTC 7?" Until you Troofers produce a shred of evidence of ANY explosives used ANYWHERE at WTC, we do get to frame the debate. And you get to answer questions. Sorry. So what evidence do you have that WTC7 was "demolished?" Quote: Did WTC 7 collapse due to the (massive structural damage caused by) debris and fires caused by the collapse of the towers? There. Fixed that for you. Yes.
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